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Makko

Makko

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Jan 17, 2021
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Got randomly called up by a cousin today. I haven't talked to her in many years, but I guess word of conflict gets around and now people will bother me.

The conversation was mostly her chastising me, from a pretty strange angle. My big problem is apparently that I've made "unfeminine life choices". I haven't thought about it from that perspective before, but it's true. I have an extremely masculine biography. I've rejected family, security and support in the name of freedom. I've abandoned everything familiar and embraced the unknown. Instead of cooperating, I competed. Where I could have compromised, I confronted. I've broken a lot of social rules and let down important expectations -- expectations that would have brought big rewards should they have been fulfilled. It's like I've been given a set of materials to build a house to live in, but instead I build a makeshift airplane and try to fly off a cliff with it. Even if it could work, it's just not something you ought to do.

Nonstandard choices are not necessarily bad, but they usher you into an unlit darkness, where you're not supposed to be, not expected, not accommodated for. When you stray a certain distance from the beaten path, it begins to cast doubt on your sanity. No adequate person would have done things this way. It's still hard to grasp just how bizarre my situation is, and just how much cruel and unusual trouble I've put myself in.

It's one thing to feel cornered because of forces obviously outside of your control. It's another thing to feel that way because of choices you've made, and you can trace your circumstances to those choices. But if I were to choose again, I wouldn't have chosen differently. How much of it is free will? How much of it is actually choice? Do I actually have any more control over the guiding voices in my head than real chizophrenics have over their hallucinations? Am I any less screwed?
 
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I want to end it

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475
when you say nonstandard choices, does that include choices with romantic partners?
 
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suisuiforum

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Jul 4, 2021
239
I can relate in terms of disregarding social conventions to prioritize freedom. Most people would also be aghast at how I practically severed the bonds with my family because it's not in accordance with tradition, but I had to do it to preserve my own sanity. When the rest of the world operates so differently from what we prefer, it can seem like we're in the wrong for refusing to conform, but at the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with finding your own path to happiness regardless of whether it's truly free will or our life circumstances have propelled us in this direction.
 
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BluesRunTheGame

BluesRunTheGame

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Dec 15, 2020
1,715
I have rejected 9-5 and thus live a very different lifestyle to most.

But maybe I was supposed to?
 
greyhound

greyhound

Arcanist
Oct 8, 2020
471
So you're a workaholic lawyer who rejected their traditional asian family values, remained in a foreign country and didn't get married at an age your parents expected. I mean it sounds like you've got your shit together compared to 95% of the people on here. At least you're trying to build an airplane to fly off the cliff, most people here are just straight up jumping.
 
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Survivor of incest. Gay. Please don't PM me.
Apr 13, 2021
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I've broken a lot of social rules and let down important expectations -- expectations that would have brought big rewards should they have been fulfilled. It's like I've been given a set of materials to build a house to live in, but instead I build a makeshift airplane and try to fly off a cliff with it.

You were given a set of materials to build a makeshift airplane to fly off a cliff with & that's what you're doing; there's no way you could have built a home with them.
 
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Beached_whale

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Jul 9, 2021
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Got randomly called up by a cousin today. I haven't talked to her in many years, but I guess word of conflict gets around and now people will bother me.

The conversation was mostly her chastising me, from a pretty strange angle. My big problem is apparently that I've made "unfeminine life choices". I haven't thought about it from that perspective before, but it's true. I have an extremely masculine biography. I've rejected family, security and support in the name of freedom. I've abandoned everything familiar and embraced the unknown. Instead of cooperating, I competed. Where I could have compromised, I confronted. I've broken a lot of social rules and let down important expectations -- expectations that would have brought big rewards should they have been fulfilled. It's like I've been given a set of materials to build a house to live in, but instead I build a makeshift airplane and try to fly off a cliff with it. Even if it could work, it's just not something you ought to do.

Nonstandard choices are not necessarily bad, but they usher you into an unlit darkness, where you're not supposed to be, not expected, not accommodated for. When you stray a certain distance from the beaten path, it begins to cast doubt on your sanity. No adequate person would have done things this way. It's still hard to grasp just how bizarre my situation is, and just how much cruel and unusual trouble I've put myself in.

It's one thing to feel cornered because of forces obviously outside of your control. It's another thing to feel that way because of choices you've made, and you can trace your circumstances to those choices. But if I were to choose again, I wouldn't have chosen differently. How much of it is free will? How much of it is actually choice? Do I actually have any more control over the guiding voices in my head than real chizophrenics have over their hallucinations? Am I any less screwed?
That's not unfeminine... That's ladyboss.

I unfortunately did the "feminine" thing, because I knew how to be a woman, not a man, so ended up doing neither and remaining like a child and ended up unfree, dependent and agoraphobic.
 
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Alwaysbadtime

Alwaysbadtime

Enlightened
Jun 28, 2021
1,158
You sound like you feel pretty good about yourself and your choices. Why are you suicidal?
 
stygal

stygal

meow
Oct 29, 2020
1,731
It seems like you're pretty much at peace with the choices you made and only now that a cousin called you up and "criticized" your lifestyle thought about how it might be "non-standard" to her/your family/people who believe in traditional (gender) roles...so I'd say...since no problem arose before and you seem like a stable person when it comes to your own character,self-realization/development...
Nobody can tell which forces or influences have the most power over shaping one into the person one is and nobody will ever be able to retract their steps
Long story short: If it doesn't bother you: keep on going.
 
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Pure

Specialist
Jun 29, 2021
366
Got randomly called up by a cousin today. I haven't talked to her in many years, but I guess word of conflict gets around and now people will bother me.

The conversation was mostly her chastising me, from a pretty strange angle. My big problem is apparently that I've made "unfeminine life choices". I haven't thought about it from that perspective before, but it's true. I have an extremely masculine biography. I've rejected family, security and support in the name of freedom. I've abandoned everything familiar and embraced the unknown. Instead of cooperating, I competed. Where I could have compromised, I confronted. I've broken a lot of social rules and let down important expectations -- expectations that would have brought big rewards should they have been fulfilled. It's like I've been given a set of materials to build a house to live in, but instead I build a makeshift airplane and try to fly off a cliff with it. Even if it could work, it's just not something you ought to do.

Nonstandard choices are not necessarily bad, but they usher you into an unlit darkness, where you're not supposed to be, not expected, not accommodated for. When you stray a certain distance from the beaten path, it begins to cast doubt on your sanity. No adequate person would have done things this way. It's still hard to grasp just how bizarre my situation is, and just how much cruel and unusual trouble I've put myself in.

It's one thing to feel cornered because of forces obviously outside of your control. It's another thing to feel that way because of choices you've made, and you can trace your circumstances to those choices. But if I were to choose again, I wouldn't have chosen differently. How much of it is free will? How much of it is actually choice? Do I actually have any more control over the guiding voices in my head than real chizophrenics have over their hallucinations? Am I any less screwed?
Your story is very similar to the stories I hear from ex Muslim women. I see them on Twitter and they are very happy despite their families and cultures shaming them for choosing freedom over subservience.

I think the plot to Unorthodox (Ex Orthodox Judaism) would relate to you.
 
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Fenrirsend

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Jul 15, 2018
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I feel ya....I've never went with the norm....could never do a normal 9-5 kinda just survived......the. Best thing I ever did, moved to Asia to teach esl...fell in love with it, actually cared about my job and tried.......then everything happened n now getting visa is next to impossible right now. Running outa time and money and will fast stuck back here.
 
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Makko

Makko

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Jan 17, 2021
2,430
when you say nonstandard choices, does that include choices with romantic partners?
Yes we all ears!
Not much to tell, unfortunately. I've never romantically or sexually interacted with anyone. Never interested, and it's not on the list of things that bother me. I don't have an obvious excuse for being like that. Which in itself is very nonstandard for someone in my position and social conditions.

I mean it sounds like you've got your shit together compared to 95% of the people on here.
Absolutely -- it sounds like I do.

You sound like you feel pretty good about yourself and your choices. Why are you suicidal?
Anhedonia. I'm completely unable to experience pleasure. I could write a book about all the things I've tried so far, and I've a lot of things left to try that will gradually become available to me, but as things stand now, the world has nothing to offer me. Some I've talked to here sugguested that I might have C-PTSD but I'm not sure how to even approach that topic.
 
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BeansOfRequirement

BeansOfRequirement

Man-child, loser, autistic, etc.
Jan 26, 2021
5,785
Maybe they're right. What's wrong with trying out the dating scene? Obviously don't do it for their sake, though. If it doesn't work, that's it. Nothing gained, nothing lost. I'd recommend starting off with another woman since that might be less intense. You can probably pick freely and go on a date with a woman or man that you think won't cause any problems for you when it doesn't work out and are "low maintenance" and maybe very experienced with this sort of thing.

Probably not what you want to hear but it might benefit you to experience a relationship if only to be 100% sure that your relatives are full of shit and that you truly are "alone forever". Maybe that'll guard you against this sort of thing throwing you off or whatever. Bad situation over all, having people randomly call up and judge you.
 
9BBN

9BBN

Heaven, send Hell away
Mar 29, 2021
377
So you're a workaholic lawyer who rejected their traditional asian family values, remained in a foreign country and didn't get married at an age your parents expected. I mean it sounds like you've got your shit together compared to 95% of the people on here. At least you're trying to build an airplane to fly off the cliff, most people here are just straight up jumping.
This. Also remember that "feminine" is a social construct and the way they're using it here is just to pressure you.

Free will is a whole other conversation. I don't think we have any more free will than schizophrenics, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't be held accountable for our actions. Still, I don't think you had any real responsibilities to be held accountable for here. Just social pressure.
 
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motel rooms

Survivor of incest. Gay. Please don't PM me.
Apr 13, 2021
7,081
I've rejected family, security and support
Do you really give a shit about that? Isn't your problem that you feel unstimulated/dead inside & that "the humanness of other people disgusts you"? I think you put it that way once. I don't think you yearn to hold hands with anyone human like Genes does. I know you're not kidding when you say you really want to rage & destroy
 
Makko

Makko

Iä!
Jan 17, 2021
2,430
Do you really give a shit about that? Isn't your problem that you feel unstimulated/dead inside & that "the humanness of other people disgusts you"? I think you put it that way once. I don't think you yearn to hold hands with anyone human like Genes does. I know you're not kidding when you say you really want to rage & destroy
I don't so much care what "the other route" could have brought as much as I'm wondering how to plot the way forward in the route I've chosen. I'm far into uncharted waters and the whole rejected security thing means I'm not in a position that allows any mistakes. It's a pretty dangerous ride, which I'm fine with, but I'd rather not meet the dangers with my pants down. This is all just me making the first clumsy attempts to figure out how I'm going to live my freak experiment life. If at all.
 
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cooldude420

Student
Aug 8, 2021
110
got to be strategic and roothless in your choices. if things could werk purrrfectly, what things will you do nex?
 
Makko

Makko

Iä!
Jan 17, 2021
2,430
Could you be a lesbian?
Maybe. Wouldn't be strange considering about half of everyone who ends up here is lgbt.
got to be strategic and roothless in your choices. if things could werk purrrfectly, what things will you do nex?
That's what I'm trying to figure out.

My plan was to go to northern Brazil and start a construction business. It would be absorbing enough to not care about anything else for a while. Covid put a stop to that though. The economy and political situation there will be a lot different after this so not sure if it will still be viable.
 
Fakereality

Fakereality

Student
Aug 4, 2021
130
Just cut all ties with them block all numbers and ways from which they could contact you and drink some beer or wine while sitting in some fancy open roof restaurant thinking that maybe you got some freedom or the illusion of it anyway.
 

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