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gothbird

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There's something devastatingly cruel about being asked to stay alive for someone else. At first glance, it seems loving. Noble, even. But when you strip away the sentiment, the message beneath is far less kind. What it often means is: "Carry this unbearable pain a little longer so I won't have to feel mine."
That isn't compassion. That's guilt pretending to be concern. And for many suicidal people, it's the moment they realise their pain is not being heard β€” it's being redirected.

We don't like to admit it, but this world maintains a strict hierarchy of pain. Grief, loss, and physical illness are acceptable forms of suffering β€” they garner sympathy, they're given structure. If you break your leg, you're allowed to say it hurts. If you're dying of cancer, people gather around you and say you're so brave. But if your mind is breaking down slowly under the weight of trauma, of mental illness, of chronic emotional fatigue, of invisible illnesses? If your agony comes without a visible wound? You're expected to endure it quietly. To show up for work. To reply to texts. To smile just enough that people don't worry. Because to say you want to die without an "acceptable" reason is to breach a social contract most of us never agreed to.

And when someone does break that silence β€” when they finally say I don't want to be here anymore β€” the response is rarely tell me what's hurting. It's think about your family. What if someone finds you? You'll destroy the people who love you. The grief of others is immediately elevated above the suffering of the person speaking. It becomes about the fallout, not the fire. The suicidal person becomes a vessel for other people's emotions like a risk to be managed, a potential tragedy to be prevented, rather than a person in need of dignity and understanding.

Sometimes, people stay alive. But not because they want to. Not because anything got better. They stay because they are afraid of what their death might do to others β€” to their parents, to their partner, to the friend who said I don't know what I'd do without you. And that's not healing. That's emotional hostage taking. It's asking someone to bear a level of pain they no longer consent to, because your grief would be inconvenient.

And pain is a complex thing. Some of us live with it daily, not just in our heads, but in our bodies. Not that it is comparable. I have spent years living inside a body that feels more like a punishment than a home. A body wrecked by fibromyalgia, persistent abdominal issues, and all the unspoken things that fall under "women's health" and get brushed aside. I have sat in waiting rooms with a pain that doesn't scan, doesn't bleed, doesn't show up on lab results and been told to drink water, take a bath, meditate, go for a walk, call my therapist. I've spent more time managing symptoms than I have living. And I have done all of it while trying to be a good daughter, trying to justify the weight of my existence for a beautiful, loving father I have lived for, in one way or another, for half my life.
If and when I go, I want him to understand this: it wasn't a forum that failed me. It was the system. It was the doctors who didn't listen. It was the therapists who ran out of time. It was the years I spent asking for help and being told it wasn't bad enough yet or there was no research available. The world demanded that I endure pain that it refused to validate, and then shamed me for considering an end to it.

But here's the truth: no one should have to live a life just to ease someone else's mourning. No one should be told their existence must continue purely because someone else has decided their death would be unacceptable. That is not love. That is control.

It is entirely possible to love someone and still want to leave this world. To feel care and connection and also deep, immovable exhaustion. To know that your absence will hurt someone and still recognise that staying will destroy you. These are not contradictions. They are the brutal truths of living with pain that doesn't get better. And it is not selfish to know your limits.

Suicidal people owe no one a performance. Not of progress. Not of positivity. Not of "trying harder." If they choose to stay, it should be because they feel some sense of ownership over their life, not because they were manipulated into holding on for someone else's comfort.
Some people want to leave quietly. Without spectacle. Without note. Not because they're impulsive, but because they are tired. And that is valid. And no one, not your family, not your doctor, not a stranger online, has the moral right to demand your survival as a condition for their peace of mind.

You can care deeply for someone. You can love them. You can mourn them before they're even gone. But you do not get to own their choice. You do not get to appoint yourself the keeper of their suffering, while still asking them to bear it.
And we need to stop pretending that we do.
 
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Forever Sleep

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As always, amazingly written. I love your posts.

Sorry for the long-winded backstory here... Back when we had the IC SN welfair checks, I agreed to be put in touch with a helpline. Mostly to give the police officers confidence that it was ok to leave me. Clearly it was- we're a few years on and I'm not dead. Ironically, they were far more kind than the person I spoke to on the 'helpline'.

To be fair, the first lady I spoke to was kind and sympathetic. I really wasn't interested in getting their 'help' though. So, it wasn't exactly as straight forward for them as I imagine it usually is. I imagine most people call wanting their help and wanting to be talked out of it.

Anyhow, I quickly managed to end the call but I was obviously still a 'problem' for them. The second person that called- possibly more of a supervisor was clearly irritated. They used that whole: 'Think of what it would do to your loved ones' line. I was absolutely furious but I did my best not to show it.

Obviously, they didn't know my situation but, I've already held on for family members for 35 years. I actually still want to hold on till my Dad goes. So, to make the assumption it was something I hadn't even considered I found incredibly offensive. Plus- as you say- it's so cruel to weaponize that loyalty, love and guilt against us. Ironically, I felt more shaken up by that so-called 'helpline' call than the actual police visit.

As you say, it really isn't very loving to insist a person remains in pain simply so that they don't have to feel bad. Funnily enough, I've just made a post questioning how fair that is in terms of natalism. How fair is it really to bring a sentient being here and insist they are now responsible for the parent's well being? They musn't do things to upset the parent. Especially not suicide- no matter how terrible or painful their life is. That enormous burden doesn't seem fair to place on someone to begin with.
 
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As always, amazingly written. I love your posts.

Sorry for the long-winded backstory here... Back when we had the IC SN welfair checks, I agreed to be put in touch with a helpline. Mostly to give the police officers confidence that it was ok to leave me. Clearly it was- we're a few years on and I'm not dead. Ironically, they were far more kind than the person I spoke to on the 'helpline'.

To be fair, the first lady I spoke to was kind and sympathetic. I really wasn't interested in getting their 'help' though. So, it wasn't exactly as straight forward for them as I imagine it usually is. I imagine most people call wanting their help and wanting to be talked out of it.

Anyhow, I quickly managed to end the call but I was obviously still a 'problem' for them. The second person that called- possibly more of a supervisor was clearly irritated. They used that whole: 'Think of what it would do to your loved ones' line. I was absolutely furious but I did my best not to show it.

Obviously, they didn't know my situation but, I've already held on for family members for 35 years. I actually still want to hold on till my Dad goes. So, to make the assumption it was something I hadn't even considered I found incredibly offensive. Plus- as you say- it's so cruel to weaponize that loyalty, love and guilt against us. Ironically, I felt more shaken up by that so-called 'helpline' call than the actual police visit.

As you say, it really isn't very loving to insist a person remains in pain simply so that they don't have to feel bad. Funnily enough, I've just made a post questioning how fair that is in terms of natalism. How fair is it really to bring a sentient being here and insist they are now responsible for the parent's well being? They musn't do things to upset the parent. Especially not suicide- no matter how terrible or painful their life is. That enormous burden doesn't seem fair to place on someone to begin with.
Thank you so much! That means a lot coming from you. And please don't apologise for sharing the full story.

What you describe is unfortunately all too familiar. The moment someone doesn't follow the script β€” doesn't "want help," doesn't panic or beg to be saved β€” the so called support systems become visibly agitated. Because they're not prepared for autonomy. They're trained to manage crises, not listen to pain. And when someone like you speaks calmly, with years of lived thought behind your words, they lose control of the narrative and they hate that.

It's especially cruel as you said when they reach for the laziest, most manipulative line in the book: "Think of your loved ones." As if thirty five years (twenty eight for me) of surviving for them somehow wasn't enough. As if they know what kind of loyalty that takes. That sort of response isn't compassion is a form of moral coercion, delivered by someone who likely hasn't sat with the realities you're facing for even five minutes. They don't see you. They see a liability. And it makes complete sense that you found the helpline far more distressing than the police visit itself because at least the officers didn't pretend to be emotionally invested.

And yes, your point about natalism is spot on. To bring a life into the world and then demand that it remain out of obligation, no matter how much it hurts is a contract no one consented to. Framing suicide as an immoral act because of its effect on others, rather than its cause in the person suffering, is one of the cruellest bait and switches society plays. It places the entire emotional burden on the one in pain, and none on those who contributed to or ignored that pain for decades.

Thank you again for sharing this Forever.
 
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WatchmeBurn

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Apr 26, 2023
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It's extremely cruel, you're right. I still couldn't inflict it on them, though. My parents were (VERY VERY VERY) imperfect but they tried their best. My partner loves me and cares for me and she's a wonderful person. I couldn't do it to them. I just wish they'd understand and accept my decision, but they never would.
 
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Apathy79

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Oct 13, 2019
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There's something devastatingly cruel about being asked to stay alive for someone else. At first glance, it seems loving. Noble, even. But when you strip away the sentiment, the message beneath is far less kind

I suppose it depends where the comments are coming from. My guess is someone like your father might say something like that to reassure you how deeply you are loved. How much it will affect them is real but the purpose of expressing it is making sure you don't make a decision in absence of that knowledge, which might be sufficient to stick around for many people. It's that "I'm a burden on everyone" feeling they're trying to unravel I think?

And when someone does break that silence β€” when they finally say I don't want to be here anymore β€” the response is rarely tell me what's hurting. It's think about your family. What if someone finds you? You'll destroy the people who love you.
This one is really frustrating. I wish they'd at least start with tell me what's hurting before going there. If it doesn't start from the basis of understanding, it sounds like lecturing (because it is) and has the opposite effect. I think the intent is to show that this isn't just about you. And related to the first point - you're loved way more than you realise type vibes. Betting on that being the core issue. But it woefully misses the mark because it's so generic.

Not that it helps much. But I think it's probably fear driving those comments and trying to get the most powerful antidote out immediately rather than sitting down and trying to understand and work through the issues behind it, which maybe they feel like they can't do anyway. Sounds like a poor therapist frankly, and it's disappointing that is the norm.
 
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I suppose it depends where the comments are coming from. My guess is someone like your father might say something like that to reassure you how deeply you are loved. How much it will affect them is real but the purpose of expressing it is making sure you don't make a decision in absence of that knowledge, which might be sufficient to stick around for many people. It's that "I'm a burden on everyone" feeling they're trying to unravel I think?


This one is really frustrating. I wish they'd at least start with tell me what's hurting before going there. If it doesn't start from the basis of understanding, it sounds like lecturing (because it is) and has the opposite effect. I think the intent is to show that this isn't just about you. And related to the first point - you're loved way more than you realise type vibes. Betting on that being the core issue. But it woefully misses the mark because it's so generic.

Not that it helps much. But I think it's probably fear driving those comments and trying to get the most powerful antidote out immediately rather than sitting down and trying to understand and work through the issues behind it, which maybe they feel like they can't do anyway. Sounds like a poor therapist frankly, and it's disappointing that is the norm.
Thank you for this. I really appreciate how thoughtfully you unpacked it. That said, just to clarify, it actually wasn't my father who said it. He's not the type to use emotional appeals like that, and if anything, I think he'd understand more than most that I've been carrying this for a long time. The comment came from someone else entirely, and what frustrated me most was how automatic and rehearsed it felt like they weren't speaking to me, just reciting a script they thought would shut the moment down.

I'm not sure it's fear, at least not in every case. I think sometimes it's just laziness. People want to skip the discomfort of real listening, so they lean on guilt dressed as love because it's easy. It sounds like care, but it costs nothing to say and requires no real engagement. There's no risk involved for them, just a generic appeal that, ironically, puts all the emotional labour back on the person already struggling.

And you're absolutely right that it misses the mark. It erases the why entirely. If you're met with "think of your family" before you're even asked what's hurting, you learn very quickly that your pain is only acknowledged insofar as it disturbs others. That does more harm than silence.

Anyway, thank you again. Your response made me feel heard, even in disagreement, and I appreciate that more than you know.
 
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