Discussion Opioid Method is not actually unreliable

[nottinghams]

sure, it can be, if you don't know how to use drugs - but this shit is killer. You cannot fake that no matter how much journalists overreact.

I even have an uncle who works in a funeral home in West Virginia, and a large amount of the deaths they take care of are from fentanyl or opioids, or stuff hidden in them. It's no joke.


But I have found it's not fentanyl at least you should be using anymore. If you buy that shit purposefully, it's not fentanyl. For some reason, I don't know. I have just been on the dark web and talking to people.
I have gathered that either a massive amount of heroin on a body that has no tolerance to it

Or nitazenes, which can often be more powerful and because of their nature as RCs would be toyed and fucked with like fentanyl compounds.

it's such a fatal drug that I am surprised you have to choose a specific route of administration - in my previous attempt i believe the main problem was that i wasnt taking "fentanyl" - but I have been told anything that reaches your blood vessels immediately is the best. IV, smoking, and snorting, are what experienced users on this site have told me.

As for time alone, if an overdose is fatal, your window to be cured with Narcan is no more than an hour.
As long as you were taking an amount, you are sure is fatal. That's all the time you need to allow yourself.
The difference it seems is not the amount of hours you have alone, but whether or not your dose is enough to be fatal.
This also to me would probably make the risk of brain damage almost null because you'd be dead before anyone could revive you.
(I would hope that people I knew would put me out of my misery anyway LOL)

so the only things 'unreliable' about this method I see are

lack of access (and lack of knowledge about getting drugs, which is understandable)
lack of knowledge on drug use (like with RoAs, & misinformation on how fast it is whilst unconscious)

otherwise its a surefire way to go.

Disclaimer: I am not a medical pro or have been using drugs for nearly as long as some users on this site.
But I have been trying for many months now to choose a way to die.
and have experience using the darkweb in that time.
(and in my opinion a lot of this is just base level knowledge from a little bit of research)
Just putting this here because I do not wish to spread misinformation as if its gospel.


Please be nice and correct me if I'm wrong. Wanted to share this

 

[be or not to be]

I would like to know if having access to slow-release hydromorphone could do something. For example, taking 640 MG, 60 pills.

 

[AuroraB]

I live in a big city full of F (street-F ...whatever it really is) users who use all day long on the streets, pass out standing up bent over for hours, wake up, get food, and do it again the next day. Out of the 1000s of addicts on the streets in this city, we have a few deaths per week. If it were true that F meant certain death, there would be no more F addicts, they'd all be dead by now.

 

[alienfreak]

I agree, it is an excellent method. It causes euphoria and a sense of well-being so it is probably very peaceful. I have read many stories of overdose survivors and it sounds like most of them just fall asleep and dont remember any pain. Some users that vomit dont even find that highly unpleasant because of the euphoria

I live in a big city full of F (street-F ...whatever it really is) users who use all day long on the streets, pass out standing up bent over for hours, wake up, get food, and do it again the next day. Out of the 1000s of addicts on the streets in this city, we have a few deaths per week. If it were true that F meant certain death, there would be no more F addicts, they'd all be dead by now.

The dose makes the poison. People on the street arent trying to overdose. If you intentionally overdose on F or H in an isolated place, by insufflation or injection, where you wont get narcan'd then it's lights out. If swallowing it then maybe you just vomit too much of it up of course

 

[ham and potatoes]

f it were true that F meant certain death, there would be no more F addicts, they'd all be dead by now.

That's because they are trying to get high, not die.
Opioid overdoses kill like 100,000 people in the US a year.
So yeah, you get some pretty pure F or zenes, and want to kill yourself with it, I'm sure it would work

 

[theolivanderroach]

That would be my ideal way to ctb. My only issue is my tolerance. I've been using opioids since high school to get high or just recklessly not caring if I OD. I've felt my breathing get super slow and even stop at some points but I was fine. One time I got super drunk, took benzos, ambien, and injected pure hydromorphone. I wasn't even trying to OD I just wanted to get as fucked up as possible but also of course I don't care if I died in the process. I woke up just fine :/ I think I'd have to take an insane amount at this point which I don't have the money for. I've been sober for about 5 months now hopefully to get my tolerance down (not to ctb this way but to enjoy a good high before I do). I swear there's a curse that people trying to OD don't, and those who do weren't trying to.

 

[AuroraB]

I agree, it is an excellent method. It causes euphoria and a sense of well-being so it is probably very peaceful. I have read many stories of overdose survivors and it sounds like most of them just fall asleep and dont remember any pain. Some users that vomit dont even find that highly unpleasant because of the euphoria


The dose makes the poison. People on the street arent trying to overdose. If you intentionally overdose on F or H in an isolated place, by insufflation or injection, where you wont get narcan'd then it's lights out. If swallowing it then maybe you just vomit too much of up of course

That's because they are trying to get high, not die.
Opioid overdoses kill like 100,000 people in the US a year.
So yeah, you get some pretty pure F or zenes, and want to kill yourself with it, I'm sure it would work

my understanding is it takes about the size of a grain of rice to kill ya...i walk these mean streets and these folks are puffing away more than a grain of rice. come visit any west coast city and go to the worst neighborhoods, and you'll see.

 

[rotciv]

You can buy pure non-illegal nitazenes stronger than fentanyl and use it in many ways. If you dissolve 500mg of any nitazene in DMSO and apply in the skin i garantee that u never wake up again.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

The dose makes the poison. People on the street arent trying to overdose. If you intentionally overdose on F or H in an isolated place, by insufflation or injection, where you wont get narcan'd then it's lights out. If swallowing it then maybe you just vomit too much of it up of course

I also feel like it's important to note that street fent also isn't pure, it's cut. So some batches may have more fent in them than others. I'd imagine that this would also play a role in the likelihood of someone dying from a fent overdose. We also need to take into consideration tolerance. A fent addict is likely to build up a tolerance for the drug overtime, meaning that it would take a larger amount of it in order for them to OD. So along with intentions, the average fent addict would also require a higher dosage to OD, making the chances of them dying as due to fent a bit smaller.

my understanding is it takes about the size of a grain of rice to kill ya...i walk these mean streets and these folks are puffing away more than a grain of rice.

Based on lab results, 2 out of 5 seized counterfeit pills contain lethal doses7, which the DEA defines as being 2 mg of fentanyl8. However, the different forms of lab-created fentanyl and its analogs, along with it being often combined with other illicit drugs, make it very difficult to determine a specific amount that would lead to death. Fentanyl also affects individuals differently, so what might be fatal for one person might not be for another.

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Also, I don't know how there being fent addicts means anything here. Even if a bunch of fent addicts were to die today there would a whole bunch of new ones coming their way shortly afterwards. That doesn't disprove the fact that deaths from synthetic opioids have been on the raise, with most of those deaths being from fentanyl. In 2022, there was reported to be 73,838 deaths involving synthetic opioid overdoses in the US, a large portion of which were as a result of illicitly manufactured fentanyl.

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From what I know OP, the success rate for ctbing via opioid OD is around a low to moderate one. I know that on lostallhope its lethality is listed at around 49.4%. Still, it's relative risk is higher when it comes to suicide completion in comparison to many other suicide methods involving poisoning/ODing (though, it is important to note that 45% of fatal drug poisonings include unknown drugs). It should be noted that the study had some limitations, such as it being hampered by coding deficiencies in mortality and hospital data. There may also be some conflicts of interest, such as funding from the AB InBev foundation which has links to the alcohol industry.

 

[AuroraB]

You can buy pure non-illegal nitazenes stronger than fentanyl and use it in many ways. If you dissolve 500mg of any nitazene in DMSO and apply in the skin i garantee that u never wake up again.

Curious in which country these aren't illegal and readily able to obtain. Never heard of this before. Thanks.

 

[rotciv]

Curious in which country these aren't illegal and readily able to obtain. Never heard of this before. Thanks.

Research chemicals

 

[Wendigo]

What about 1200mg of Oxycodone ( fast acting), 600mg of Oxazepam or 1000mg of flurazepam and Antiemetics ( 36-48h treatment). Would this work?

 

[nottinghams]

sorry if anyone sees this, I think most of you caught what I mean already anyway, but I meant to say that nitazenes AREN'T toyed and fucked with like fentanyl compounds. Being rarer and newer.

for some people who commented I don't know what you mean about still on reliability. I think the only unreliability is misinformation and not knowing. This stuff is highly fatal and if you apply it in a highly fatal away you will die is easily as it is reported.

and if you don't wanna go straight to the media, just look at what I said about my uncle. what he sees and observes. It's tragic.

I also feel like it's important to note that street fent also isn't pure, it's cut. So some batches may have more fent in them than others. I'd imagine that this would also play a role in the likelihood of someone dying from a fent overdose. We also need to take into consideration tolerance. A fent addict is likely to build up a tolerance for the drug overtime, meaning that it would take a larger amount of it in order for them to OD. So along with intentions, the average fent addict would also require a higher dosage to OD, making the chances of them dying as due to fent a bit smaller.

What Is a Lethal Dosage of Fentanyl? | Windward Way Recovery

Discover the lethal dosage of fentanyl, a powerful synthetic opioid. Understand the risks of accidental overdose and the dangers of combining prescription and illegal drugs. Get essential information about this potentially deadly painkiller.

windwardway.com

Also, I don't know how there being fent addicts means anything here. Even if a bunch of fent addicts were to die today there would a whole bunch of new ones coming their way shortly afterwards. That doesn't disprove the fact that deaths from synthetic opioids have been on the raise, with most of those deaths being from fentanyl. In 2022, there was reported to be 73,838 deaths involving synthetic opioid overdoses in the US, a large portion of which were as a result of illicitly manufactured fentanyl.

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From what I know OP, the success rate for ctbing via opioid OD is around a low to moderate one. I know that on lostallhope its lethality is listed at around 49.4%. Still, it's relative risk is higher when it comes to suicide completion in comparison to many other suicide methods involving poisoning/ODing (though, it is important to note that 45% of fatal drug poisonings include unknown drugs). It should be noted that the study had some limitations, such as it being hampered by coding deficiencies in mortality and hospital data. There may also be some conflicts of interest, such as funding from the AB InBev foundation which has links to the alcohol industry.

and I'm sorry, I still don't catch what you're saying about low success rate here. Everything you linked seems to state otherwise. Why? What's your reasoning?

Not trying to be a bitch, I'm just politely challenging you.

(unreliability or not, like I said, you get it and apply it in a fatal way, you're gone)

You can buy pure non-illegal nitazenes stronger than fentanyl and use it in many ways. If you dissolve 500mg of any nitazene in DMSO and apply in the skin i garantee that u never wake up again.

what is your source on this? I don't know if buying any RC chemicals is legal in America.

Plus, which nitazenes are you talking about that you need 500 mg? Most synthetic opioids have a potency even stronger than fentanyl as I listed in my post. You probably don't even need like, 25 mg.
(though again I myself don't wanna spread misinformation, so lmk)

In any case, I would like your source on that, please. Maybe it can be a resource for future readers of this post

 

[Sunshine]

If you have no tolerance and get Heroin (with a test kit checking its purity) and then inject it right into your arm or even add a IV drip with heroin on the other arm, how are you supposed to survive this? Plus it seems more peaceful than SN: I don't see how unless someone finds you but if you are smart about it like in a hotel room booked days ahead or somewhere very remote how is that supposed to happen.

 

[nottinghams]

If you have no tolerance and get Heroin (with a test kit checking its purity) and then inject it right into your arm or even add a IV drip with heroin on the other arm, how are you supposed to survive this? Plus it seems more peaceful than SN: I don't see how unless someone finds you but if you are smart about it like in a hotel room booked days ahead or somewhere very remote how is that supposed to happen.

where do you find these test kits? Are they just strips?

 

[EvisceratedJester]

and I'm sorry, I still don't catch what you're saying about low success rate here. Everything you linked seems to state otherwise. Why? What's your reasoning?

Not trying to be a bitch, I'm just politely challenging you.

(unreliability or not, like I said, you get it and apply it in a fatal way, you're gone)

Challenging me on what exactly? There isn't anything to challenge here. I'm just regurgitating information I have on it and it's reliability to you. 49.4% isn't a high success rate, it's moderate. Opioids are generally still more reliable in comparison to other types of drugs when it comes to fatal ODs. Those were the points I was making. If you want more information on their reliability then you can go onto this thread:

Rhizo's drug AMA – the only comprehensive resource on drug poisonings you will ever need

AMA: I have a degree in psychology with specialized experience in substance use research, psychopharmacology, psychedelic research, etc. I've also read a lot about drug poisonings, the PPH, and various methods on this forum. I've been using the dark net to buy drugs and been connected to...

sanctioned-suicide.net

But I'm not here to debate you.

 

[Sunshine]

where do you find these test kits? Are they just strips?

Heroin Single Use Drug Testing Kit

<p>The EZ Test Heroin enables analysis of a suspect substance to check for Heroin.</p> The Heroin Purity Test enables you to quickly get an idea about the purity of the heroin. Just open the ampoule, add (EXACTLY!) 20 milligrams of your sample to this te

www.eztestkits.com

For example.

I know some people are worried that you can pass out too quick before giving yourself enough injection to kill you but in that case wouldn't a drip work to finish the job? Getting pure Heroin, having no tolerance, one arm injection, other arm drip. In a place where you won't be found for at least 1 hour, should be 100% peaceful success.

Challenging me on what exactly? There isn't anything to challenge here. I'm just regurgitating information I have on it and it's reliability to you. 49.4% isn't a high success rate, it's moderate. Opioids are generally still more reliable in comparison to other types of drugs when it comes to fatal ODs. Those were the points I was making. If you want more information on their reliability then you can go onto this thread:

Rhizo's drug AMA – the only comprehensive resource on drug poisonings you will ever need

AMA: I have a degree in psychology with specialized experience in substance use research, psychopharmacology, psychedelic research, etc. I've also read a lot about drug poisonings, the PPH, and various methods on this forum. I've been using the dark net to buy drugs and been connected to...

sanctioned-suicide.net

But I'm not here to debate you.

How exactly can it be 49.4% if a person with no tolerance puts in a high dose of pure opioids into their body?
It has to include people who were stupid about it and used minimal dosages or did it in public or in a place where someone found them quick enough.

 

[nottinghams]

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Challenging me on what exactly? There isn't anything to challenge here. I'm just regurgitating information I have on it and it's reliability to you. 49.4% isn't a high success rate, it's moderate. Opioids are generally still more reliable in comparison to other types of drugs when it comes to fatal ODs. Those were the points I was making. If you want more information on their reliability then you can go onto this thread:

Rhizo's drug AMA – the only comprehensive resource on drug poisonings you will ever need

AMA: I have a degree in psychology with specialized experience in substance use research, psychopharmacology, psychedelic research, etc. I've also read a lot about drug poisonings, the PPH, and various methods on this forum. I've been using the dark net to buy drugs and been connected to...

sanctioned-suicide.net

But I'm not here to debate you.

what makes the success rate not higher AS A SUICIDE METHOD is lack of knowledge, not really fatality, there I said it. as someone where F didnmt work (isn't even really fent) im saying that, for the reason in the parantheses.

We want the people we are intending these resources for to be informed, and not actually jeopardize themselves by simply painfully worrying about irrelevant specifics.
all I meant by just challenging you was that I have no reason to be negative towards you - this the point of info

Heroin Single Use Drug Testing Kit

<p>The EZ Test Heroin enables analysis of a suspect substance to check for Heroin.</p> The Heroin Purity Test enables you to quickly get an idea about the purity of the heroin. Just open the ampoule, add (EXACTLY!) 20 milligrams of your sample to this te

www.eztestkits.com

so just for heroin then? not worried with RCs though.

I know some people are worried that you can pass out too quick before giving yourself enough injection to kill you but in that case wouldn't a drip work to finish the job? Getting pure Heroin, having no tolerance, one arm injection, other arm drip. In a place where you won't be found for at least 1 hour, should be 100% peaceful success.

I have no idea where people get this from. again, im not an expert with this stuff, but if how fast the super-poisonous drug is knocking you out is a problem you're doing other things wrong too. a drip should not be necessary to die.

perhaps an infusion set, to make sure enough of the drug gets to you? sure maybe. but with what sort of drug we're discussing here you generally can fit it all in a solution within a 25cc syringe. (not ALL drugs, ofc**)

(also a large amount of what I just said has come from drug users and people with unique experiences)

How exactly can it be 49.4% if a person with no tolerance puts in a high dose of pure opioids into their body?
It has to include people who were stupid about it and used minimal dosages or did it in public or in a place where someone found them quick enough.

person themselves said they were parroting. and you are (most likely) right - does not account for the lac. of. information.

THIS IS THE POINT OF THE WHOLE THREAD. "Opioids not unreliable - just not good info"
also like with the fentanyl example I just gave - bc for some strange reason its found packed into oxy pills and heroin and laced with elephant tranqs unknowingly MORE PURE than fentanyl you would attempt to buy on purpose.

 

[nottinghams]

wow, I'm surprised no one else has replied this or seen this. Perhaps I should make a new thread with it to spread this info to more people.

But if anyone sees this right now: the main reason why this is considered "unreliable" if you are trying to ctb,
is because of the variability of illicit drugs, and how confusing information can be about them right now, even when the information is open out there.
Opioids have some of the biggest misinformation about them circling around right now, and it is really showing on this site.

For example: buying fentanyl on purpose will not get you fentanyl right now (i know cause i tried)

most things you hear people dying from in the news are actual fentanyl hidden other drugs, like morphine or heroin, or xylazine, or carfentanil (elephant tranq) for heaven's sake

and as much as anyone tries to tell you otherwise what you buy off the Internet is/can be killer. its a tightrope for anyone who does this recreationally. ive said it a few times in this thread, but my uncle who works in a funeral home in West Virginia deals with several of these 'unfortunate' folks

and even stuff like what feels strongest isn't because of how chemicals break down in your body and having a (slightly) greater understanding of chemistry is rarer

and that's what actually kills unfortunate people while you, who are trying to die, head to the wrong place.

so as you can see the unreliability in this comes from misinformation about drugs, the status of things and even chemistry,
in just the wide variation in what you can encounter.

but this would probably be a lot more easier for most people if this information was actually out there in the easy to digest and understand.
(aka, there's nothing in the physicality of this method that makes it hard, not really)

and i think its been painful for some people watching because they see something that looks simple and painless and then they get confused at all the confusing literature and they misunderstand.
and its really just as painless and simple as it looks.

and if this helps anybody: though i did not have enough, and there was barely any in the sample actually, AND I used an intra muscular injection route,
when I took the fentanyl it was not more than 30 peaceful seconds of falling back on the pillow, and slipping into unconsciousness. peace.

 

[orbwithinorb]

wow, I'm surprised no one else has replied this or seen this. Perhaps I should make a new thread with it to spread this info to more people.

But if anyone sees this right now: the main reason why this is considered "unreliable" if you are trying to ctb,
is because of the variability of illicit drugs, and how confusing information can be about them right now, even when the information is open out there.
Opioids have some of the biggest misinformation about them circling around right now, and it is really showing on this site.

For example: buying fentanyl on purpose will not get you fentanyl right now (i know cause i tried)

most things you hear people dying from in the news are actual fentanyl hidden other drugs, like morphine or heroin, or xylazine, or carfentanil (elephant tranq) for heaven's sake

and as much as anyone tries to tell you otherwise what you buy off the Internet is/can be killer. its a tightrope for anyone who does this recreationally. ive said it a few times in this thread, but my uncle who works in a funeral home in West Virginia deals with several of these 'unfortunate' folks

and even stuff like what feels strongest isn't because of how chemicals break down in your body and having a (slightly) greater understanding of chemistry is rarer

and that's what actually kills unfortunate people while you, who are trying to die, head to the wrong place.

so as you can see the unreliability in this comes from misinformation about drugs, the status of things and even chemistry,
in just the wide variation in what you can encounter.

but this would probably be a lot more easier for most people if this information was actually out there in the easy to digest and understand.
(aka, there's nothing in the physicality of this method that makes it hard, not really)

and i think its been painful for some people watching because they see something that looks simple and painless and then they get confused at all the confusing literature and they misunderstand.
and its really just as painless and simple as it looks.

and if this helps anybody: though i did not have enough, and there was barely any in the sample actually, AND I used an intra muscular injection route,
when I took the fentanyl it was not more than 30 peaceful seconds of falling back on the pillow, and slipping into unconsciousness. peace.

Thank you for this thread. I am currently looking for peaceful alternatives to SN and this is one of my methods. Have you purchased fent or opiods off the dark web before?

 

[Rhizomorph1]

sure, it can be, if you don't know how to use drugs - but this shit is killer. You cannot fake that no matter how much journalists overreact.

I even have an uncle who works in a funeral home in West Virginia, and a large amount of the deaths they take care of are from fentanyl or opioids, or stuff hidden in them. It's no joke.


But I have found it's not fentanyl at least you should be using anymore. If you buy that shit purposefully, it's not fentanyl. For some reason, I don't know. I have just been on the dark web and talking to people.
I have gathered that either a massive amount of heroin on a body that has no tolerance to it

Or nitazenes, which can often be more powerful and because of their nature as RCs would be toyed and fucked with like fentanyl compounds.

it's such a fatal drug that I am surprised you have to choose a specific route of administration - in my previous attempt i believe the main problem was that i wasnt taking "fentanyl" - but I have been told anything that reaches your blood vessels immediately is the best. IV, smoking, and snorting, are what experienced users on this site have told me.

As for time alone, if an overdose is fatal, your window to be cured with Narcan is no more than an hour.
As long as you were taking an amount, you are sure is fatal. That's all the time you need to allow yourself.
The difference it seems is not the amount of hours you have alone, but whether or not your dose is enough to be fatal.
This also to me would probably make the risk of brain damage almost null because you'd be dead before anyone could revive you.
(I would hope that people I knew would put me out of my misery anyway LOL)

so the only things 'unreliable' about this method I see are

lack of access (and lack of knowledge about getting drugs, which is understandable)
lack of knowledge on drug use (like with RoAs, & misinformation on how fast it is whilst unconscious)

otherwise its a surefire way to go.

Disclaimer: I am not a medical pro or have been using drugs for nearly as long as some users on this site.
But I have been trying for many months now to choose a way to die.
and have experience using the darkweb in that time.
(and in my opinion a lot of this is just base level knowledge from a little bit of research)
Just putting this here because I do not wish to spread misinformation as if its gospel.


Please be nice and correct me if I'm wrong. Wanted to share this

Regular opioid users who do not seek recovery have an average 7-year mortality likelihood.

That's 7 years of regular use; my experience tells me a solid majority of these people are relatively indifferent to whether their opioid kills them, and gleefully take massive doses with little regards to harm reduction. Not always, but a large subset of them are not taking care.

Yet, it takes 7 years.

So, yes the opioid crisis is booming and regular users are dropping like flies.

This doesn't speak to the one-time pharmacokinetics necessary to absorb a fatal dose in naive or partially naive suicidal populations. Risk among these populations is such because of their patterns of use combined with not just the potency of opioids, but the wide variations in market trends, contamination with other drugs (benzos), etc.

Think of it like this: rolling the dice 1000 times on a 2% likelihood of dying has a near-100% odds of dying. Edit: I just calculated it, and the odds are 99.999999831703% of occurring after 1000 times. Yet it remains incredibly low after only one or two tries.

You say the time takes an hour, but this assumes a considerably above-lethal-threshold dose. What about the countless individuals who vomit, miscalculate, etc. their dose and end up in the threshold range for hypoxic toxicity while the brain stem still has enough oxygen to survive? Many people go in and out of laboured breathing and witness significant brain damage while surviving even after being intoxicated for long hours.

See this thread for more information: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/opioid-megathread-overview.138948/page-4#post-2755908

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TL;DR: I don't think this perspective comprehensively accounts for the risk factors, different populations, varying pharmacokinetic profiles between them, etc.

Telling people it is reliable is dangerous as the reliability is probably moderate at best (not high, not low.) and failure to ctb can result in injuries from seizures or hypoxic brain damage.

I'm sure it's unintentional, but I hope this comment is taken as a cautionary consideration for those reading

Source: I have a background in psychopharmacology (degree in psychology with research thesis specializing in drug use) and have worked as a drug checking technician following trends in the illicit drug market, coroner's reports, risk factors, etc. etc.

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There's a lot of talk about nitazenes but currently there is very little research data on them or case reports of people ctb'ing with them. I can't recommend them in good faith for this reason as their pharmacology involves a lot of guesswork and adverse effects, risk of injury or pain, etc. is still unknown.

I kinda hate giving advice on opioids because even though I believe in a right to knowledge & informed decisions, I deeply feel that SN is a far more reliable route and worth the extra time and energy to procure it given opioids come with *inherent* risks, even while mitigating the other risks like taking an antiemetic, etc. the varying pharmacologal response and unreliability of the drug market is unavoidable among other risks.

 

[justwannadip]

Regular opioid users who do not seek recovery have an average 7-year mortality likelihood.

That's 7 years of regular use; my experience tells me a solid majority of these people are relatively indifferent to whether their opioid kills them, and gleefully take massive doses with little regards to harm reduction. Not always, but a large subset of them are not taking care.

Yet, it takes 7 years.

So, yes the opioid crisis is booming and regular users are dropping like flies.

This doesn't speak to the one-time pharmacokinetics necessary to absorb a fatal dose in naive or partially naive suicidal populations. Risk among these populations is such because of their patterns of use combined with not just the potency of opioids, but the wide variations in market trends, contamination with other drugs (benzos), etc.

Think of it like this: rolling the dice 1000 times on a 2% likelihood of dying has a near-100% odds of dying. Edit: I just calculated it, and the odds are 99.999999831703% of occurring after 1000 times. Yet it remains incredibly low after only one or two tries.

You say the time takes an hour, but this assumes a considerably above-lethal-threshold dose. What about the countless individuals who vomit, miscalculate, etc. their dose and end up in the threshold range for hypoxic toxicity while the brain stem still has enough oxygen to survive? Many people go in and out of laboured breathing and witness significant brain damage while surviving even after being intoxicated for long hours.

See this thread for more information: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/threads/opioid-megathread-overview.138948/page-4#post-2755908

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TL;DR: I don't think this perspective comprehensively accounts for the risk factors, different populations, varying pharmacokinetic profiles between them, etc.

Telling people it is reliable is dangerous as the reliability is probably moderate at best (not high, not low.) and failure to ctb can result in injuries from seizures or hypoxic brain damage.

I'm sure it's unintentional, but I hope this comment is taken as a cautionary consideration for those reading

Source: I have a background in psychopharmacology (degree in psychology with research thesis specializing in drug use) and have worked as a drug checking technician following trends in the illicit drug market, coroner's reports, risk factors, etc. etc.

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There's a lot of talk about nitazenes but currently there is very little research data on them or case reports of people ctb'ing with them. I can't recommend them in good faith for this reason as their pharmacology involves a lot of guesswork and adverse effects, risk of injury or pain, etc. is still unknown.

I kinda hate giving advice on opioids because even though I believe in a right to knowledge & informed decisions, I deeply feel that SN is a far more reliable route and worth the extra time and energy to procure it given opioids come with *inherent* risks, even while mitigating the other risks like taking an antiemetic, etc. the varying pharmacologal response and unreliability of the drug market is unavoidable among other risks.

Hey could you check dm's?

 

[decisive.housewife]

You can buy pure non-illegal nitazenes stronger than fentanyl and use it in many ways. If you dissolve 500mg of any nitazene in DMSO and apply in the skin i garantee that u never wake up again.

Sorry, could you please provide some more info about nitazene? Is it accessible through dark web (even though I am complete idiot when it comes to using it, I live in a small, third world country, so cash is used, credit cards rarely!) I use fentanyl patches, prescribed for my chronic pain, but I use it more than prescribed, of course. I suffer from debilitating pain due to dozens of illnesses and two spine surgeries gone terribly wrong, so if you maybe have time for some details? Thanks in advance, any information would be highly appreciated