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Arcanist
- Oct 1, 2022
- 435
Peaceful Suicide Methods
* SI = Survival Instinct / Fear
** SN = Sodium Nitrite (not Nitrate)
speed until unconsciousness
- under 1 minute is very fast
- under 5 minutes is fast
- under 30 minutes is acceptable
reliability:
- drugs need very high purity; gas purity > 99.99 %, SN purity > 95%
- make sure you're not found
- if found: failure may imply brain and / or organ damage (long time care); brain damage ranges from temporary, to life time incapacity, to vegetative state; organ damage implies tendon / nerve, kidney, liver, heart
other notes:
- peaceful methods require that you are not 'saved'
- suicide requires to be done by yourself, and under no circumstances will you be helped by another person, so you need to be alone until death (whatever period is required)
- some exceptions that i can think of:
details and notes about each method (by table order)
- short-acting barbiturate; causes death by respiratory arrest
- dying process: sleep -> coma -> death
pros:
- the drug induces sleep and unconsciousness within 2 to 5 minutes
- while unaware, the brain stops sendings automatic requests to the nervous system
- there are no suffocation symptoms, and breath stops peacefully
cons:
- potential for vomiting (take anti vomiting medication)
- world-wide shortage - not available anywhere
- the shortage is so acute that even medical staff is having difficulty obtaining it
- doctors need it for animal euthanasia
- governments need it for capital punishment, but companies refuse to provide it for inmates
- whatever sources of nembutal are found on line are 100% scams
- veterinarians are legally responsible for the drug, and are dispensing it themselves
- if or when Nembutal becomes available, this is website will verify all sources, and provide confirmation
- fentanyl is used in hospitals and recreational drugs
- carfentanil is used to anesthetize large animals such as elephants and rhinoceroses
all these drugs are depressants and all cause similar euphoric symptoms
the main difference is in required quantity for fatal overdose:
morphine -> heroine (x3 morphine) -> fentanyl (x50 heroine) -> carfentanil (x100 fentanyl)
pros:
- similar to Nembutal, with added benefit of euphoria, but a fatal dose is so fast that a person will not experience any symptoms, passing out within seconds; in fact they are so fast that a single person trying to self euthanize has a high risk of not completing the injection
cons:
- most of these drugs have a very high failure rates, mainly caused by purity
- street drugs can go as low as 20% purity; sometimes purity can go to 0%
- carfentanil is very hard to obtain even the streets
- fentanyl cannot be found on the street
- drug dealers use fentanyl only to enhance (and cut) other drugs, like heroine, or m30's
- dealers are not as precise as the pharmaceutical companies, so some m30 capsules have hotspots of fentanyl
- some m30 pills (from the same batch) can have 0 fentanyl, other may have enough fentanyl to kill 2 people
- the drug itself is extremely fatal but purity is extremely risky when obtained from the street (lottery)
- are completely different than drugs - inhaling them are tricking the brain into thinking that the person gets the needed oxygen, when in fact is not getting any oxygen at all
- atmosphere contains 78% nitrogen + 21% oxygen + others
- the brain doesn't panic when oxygen is low, instead it panics when carbon dioxide is too high: the breathing is inhaling oxygen and exhaling carbon dioxide (CO2, which is very different than simple carbon monoxide - CO)
- breathing 100% pure nitrogen replaces all oxygen in the body with nitrogen; all subsequent breaths contain: inhalation of 100% nitrogen, and all exhalations still continue to contain 100% carbon dioxide (CO2)
- Nitrogen hypoxia to execute a human (yahoo article, nov 2022)
pros:
- replacing oxygen with 100% nitrogen cause a very fast death, within 10 to 20 breaths
- the body gets deprived of oxygen and induces a comatose state
- different causes of unconsciousness
- symptoms: before becoming unaware, the brain might become euphoric (experienced by pilots but not at normal atmospheric pressure), and the person might experience a range of sensations like blurred vision, confusion, inability to focus, hallucinations, tingling of skin/face/fingers; many people may not feel anything noticeable, others may feel other symptoms, but all symptoms will be for a very short period of time
- another aspect: oxygen deprivation is similar to hanging, the difference is pain / discomfort / suffocation feeling
cons:
- unconsciousness caused by nitrogen is not enough to end your life
- if after 3 or max 4 minutes, the brain will resume normal function (no brain damage at this point)
- more than that, neurons start dying, and brain damage starts
- between 5 and 10 minutes brain death occurs - this is the critical period of extreme danger: if other (well intentioned) people or medical staff are saving you, they will most probably cause an irreversible damage and a life-long of suffering; this is why it's so important to make sure you are alone, and not saved
- after becoming unconscious you will not be able to hold the mask over your nose and mouth, but nitrogen flow will still need to continue, while you are unaware of your environment, and uncontrollable movement of your body
- the nitrogen system / setup will need to continue to work
- this is why we need to have a large enough nitrogen cylinder (minimum of 5 liters)
- nitrogen will be delivered with a flow of about 15 liters per minute (Lpm), so we need a flow regulator
- we also need to have a demand valve for full facia masks - this valve makes sure that all carbon dioxide (CO2) will be eliminated during breathing, and nitrogen will not be used more than the demand
- if CO2 remains in the mask you'll start feeling like you are suffocating, so this is very important
the main setup needs to be properly done
- oxygen needs to be replaced by carbon monoxide - CO (not CO2)
- in order to do this we need to have a small room (tent or similar) that will contain CO, and very low oxygen level - under 1%
- a car is not recommended - you could dye burning alive (but a car was used by some people)
- the carbon monoxide needs to be generated by burning coals (cheapest method)
- else buy a CO generator and mask - similar setup as inert gases
pros:
- if done correctly, this has the potential to be 100% peaceful
cons:
- this method was fairly used in the old days, when cars were eliminating high levels of CO
- today's cars (now to 1970's) have catalytic convertors
- these convertors eliminate most CO (will not be able to redirect exhaust from the exhaust pipe back to to cabin)
- also the exhaust had a bad odor (in purpose)
- you might be able to do this if you are a car mechanic and know what you're doing (i don't)
pros:
- not exactly cheap, but not extremely expensive either
- sources still exist, but the seem to be disappearing
- a potential failure may not cause brain damage
- correct procedure: follow stan's guide to SN; in summary:
- symptoms may vary - a lot
- if not done correctly
- extremely fast heart rate
- feeling of suffocation (rarely)
- could vomit 90% of SN (not enough to die, but bad enough to feel miserable for a few days)
- noise (neighbors that will call police)
- overwhelming panic - call for help
- they have the potential to be very peaceful, but you need to be prepared for the worst
pros:
- extremely cheap and available almost anywhere
- potential peacefulness
- if you obstruct veins you will feel like your head will explode
- if you press on your bronchial area, or esophagus you will experience extreme terror, extreme panic, suffocation
- some people were saved after 20 minutes of hanging
- cheap and available
- potentially very peaceful after the initial cut
- fade to unconscious - the brain doesn't get oxygen and you faint
cons:
- initial pain of cutting (wrist, neck, leg, etc)
- nerve damage - unable to make a fist / limbs
- extreme deep cuts are needed to sever major arteries
- very long duration (days maybe)
- extreme dangers:
- if blood coagulation is too fast you stop bleeding (pain for nothing)
- if you cut your wrist by train (extreme example) your wound will be cauterized and you stop bleeding instantly
- a safer way to bleed to death is to use a pump or vacuum to extract blood through a major artery, that will remain open until death
pros:
- potentially peaceful
- don't know how this works, but i used to be a swimmer; i used to be able to swim the distance of an olympic swimming pool, underwater, for the entire pool
- i used to be able to hold my breath for 4 to 5 minutes (a long time ago, but my secret was hyperventilation)
cons:
- if you don't become unconscious the drowning process is extremely traumatic and horrific
- the absolute opposite of peacefulness - might as well drown
other notes (for self)
Least painful sudden death is having ventricular fibrillation.
The heart stops beating and there's inadequate blood flow to the brain.
It's very fast. The person is unaware, becomes unconscious, and quickly dies.
Dying of liver failure is generally pain free.
The liver is important in clearing metabolites from the blood stream.
When the liver stops working, certain metabolites build up in the blood and suppress brain function.
Pain perception and judgement are reduced, and the patients are generally unaware.
In early liver failure, there is increased drowsiness and sedation.
As the liver failure progresses, the patient becomes more sleepy and then eventually slips into a coma.
Some patients have itching of the skin due to elevated bilirubin, which gives the skin and the whites of the eyes a yellow hue. It's generally just annoying and can be treated with sedatives and anti-histamines.
Since the failing liver also cannot metabolize narcotics and sedatives, patients who have pain or agitation for other reasons experience a significant reduction in both. For these unfortunate patients, death is peaceful for both them and their families.
worst death: Pancreatic cancer
From nerve pain to bone damage, and treatment side effects, dying of cancer can be very painful, and pancreatic cancer is arguably the worst when it comes to pain.
Pancreatic cancer can cause a great deal of pain when it presses against the nerves around the area. This causes agonizing abdominal and back pain. Intestinal blockages can also occur, as well as referred soft-tissue pain in other parts of the body.
| Method | Peaceful | Reliability | Availability | Speed | SI* |
| Nembutal | 100 % | 100 % | NOT AVAILABLE | 3 - 5 min | 0 |
| Carfentanyl | 100 % | 100 % | street | < 10 sec | 0 |
| Fentanyl | 100 % | 100 % | street | < 30 sec | 0 |
| Heroine | 100 % | 100 % | street | < 1 min | 0 |
| Nitrogen | 100 % | 100 % | legality available | 10 - 20 sec | 0 - coma |
| Helium | 100 % | 100 % | legality available | 10 - 20 sec | 0 |
| Crb Mnxide | 100 % | 100 % | legality available | < 2 min | 0 |
| SN** | 70 % | 70 % | legal (?) | 10 - 30 min | discomfort |
| Tourniquet | 60 % | 50 % | 100 % | 1 to 5 min | some pain |
| Nigh-Night | 60 % | 50 % | 100 % | 1 to 5 min | some pain |
| Hanging | 60 % | 50 % | 100 % | 1 to 5 min | some pain |
| Bleeding | 70 % | 50 % | 100 % | > 1 hour++ | some pain |
| HyperVentilate | 10 % | 62 % | 100 % | 3 to 5 min | discomfort |
| Other Methods |
* SI = Survival Instinct / Fear
** SN = Sodium Nitrite (not Nitrate)
speed until unconsciousness
- under 1 minute is very fast
- under 5 minutes is fast
- under 30 minutes is acceptable
reliability:
- drugs need very high purity; gas purity > 99.99 %, SN purity > 95%
- make sure you're not found
- if found: failure may imply brain and / or organ damage (long time care); brain damage ranges from temporary, to life time incapacity, to vegetative state; organ damage implies tendon / nerve, kidney, liver, heart
other notes:
- peaceful methods require that you are not 'saved'
- suicide requires to be done by yourself, and under no circumstances will you be helped by another person, so you need to be alone until death (whatever period is required)
- some exceptions that i can think of:
- voluntary euthanasia clinics / hospitals
- life-long partner (husband, wife) that wants to die at the same time
- our 'partner' thread is not recommended, and it's extremely dangerous:
- all partners need to be throughly vetted, and even that may not be enough - you need to have 100% trust; even couples of 30 or 40 years of being together may not have 50% trust in one another
- even if you can find someone like that, this may happen:
details and notes about each method (by table order)
- short-acting barbiturate; causes death by respiratory arrest
- dying process: sleep -> coma -> death
pros:
- the drug induces sleep and unconsciousness within 2 to 5 minutes
- while unaware, the brain stops sendings automatic requests to the nervous system
- there are no suffocation symptoms, and breath stops peacefully
cons:
- potential for vomiting (take anti vomiting medication)
- world-wide shortage - not available anywhere
- the shortage is so acute that even medical staff is having difficulty obtaining it
- doctors need it for animal euthanasia
- governments need it for capital punishment, but companies refuse to provide it for inmates
- whatever sources of nembutal are found on line are 100% scams
- veterinarians are legally responsible for the drug, and are dispensing it themselves
- if or when Nembutal becomes available, this is website will verify all sources, and provide confirmation
- carfentanil, fentanyl, heroin are very potent opioid analgesics
- fentanyl is used in hospitals and recreational drugs
- carfentanil is used to anesthetize large animals such as elephants and rhinoceroses
all these drugs are depressants and all cause similar euphoric symptoms
the main difference is in required quantity for fatal overdose:
morphine -> heroine (x3 morphine) -> fentanyl (x50 heroine) -> carfentanil (x100 fentanyl)
pros:
- similar to Nembutal, with added benefit of euphoria, but a fatal dose is so fast that a person will not experience any symptoms, passing out within seconds; in fact they are so fast that a single person trying to self euthanize has a high risk of not completing the injection
cons:
- most of these drugs have a very high failure rates, mainly caused by purity
- street drugs can go as low as 20% purity; sometimes purity can go to 0%
- carfentanil is very hard to obtain even the streets
- fentanyl cannot be found on the street
- drug dealers use fentanyl only to enhance (and cut) other drugs, like heroine, or m30's
- dealers are not as precise as the pharmaceutical companies, so some m30 capsules have hotspots of fentanyl
- some m30 pills (from the same batch) can have 0 fentanyl, other may have enough fentanyl to kill 2 people
- the drug itself is extremely fatal but purity is extremely risky when obtained from the street (lottery)
- are completely different than drugs - inhaling them are tricking the brain into thinking that the person gets the needed oxygen, when in fact is not getting any oxygen at all
- atmosphere contains 78% nitrogen + 21% oxygen + others
- the brain doesn't panic when oxygen is low, instead it panics when carbon dioxide is too high: the breathing is inhaling oxygen and exhaling carbon dioxide (CO2, which is very different than simple carbon monoxide - CO)
- breathing 100% pure nitrogen replaces all oxygen in the body with nitrogen; all subsequent breaths contain: inhalation of 100% nitrogen, and all exhalations still continue to contain 100% carbon dioxide (CO2)
- Nitrogen hypoxia to execute a human (yahoo article, nov 2022)
pros:
- replacing oxygen with 100% nitrogen cause a very fast death, within 10 to 20 breaths
- the body gets deprived of oxygen and induces a comatose state
- different causes of unconsciousness
- sleep: mostly unaware of environment, but dreams/nightmares still occur; any sound or touch will wake you
- coma: completely unaware of environment (lights, sounds, smells, touch, etc) and nothing can wake you
- symptoms: before becoming unaware, the brain might become euphoric (experienced by pilots but not at normal atmospheric pressure), and the person might experience a range of sensations like blurred vision, confusion, inability to focus, hallucinations, tingling of skin/face/fingers; many people may not feel anything noticeable, others may feel other symptoms, but all symptoms will be for a very short period of time
- another aspect: oxygen deprivation is similar to hanging, the difference is pain / discomfort / suffocation feeling
cons:
- unconsciousness caused by nitrogen is not enough to end your life
- if after 3 or max 4 minutes, the brain will resume normal function (no brain damage at this point)
- more than that, neurons start dying, and brain damage starts
- between 5 and 10 minutes brain death occurs - this is the critical period of extreme danger: if other (well intentioned) people or medical staff are saving you, they will most probably cause an irreversible damage and a life-long of suffering; this is why it's so important to make sure you are alone, and not saved
- after becoming unconscious you will not be able to hold the mask over your nose and mouth, but nitrogen flow will still need to continue, while you are unaware of your environment, and uncontrollable movement of your body
- the nitrogen system / setup will need to continue to work
- this is why we need to have a large enough nitrogen cylinder (minimum of 5 liters)
- nitrogen will be delivered with a flow of about 15 liters per minute (Lpm), so we need a flow regulator
- we also need to have a demand valve for full facia masks - this valve makes sure that all carbon dioxide (CO2) will be eliminated during breathing, and nitrogen will not be used more than the demand
- if CO2 remains in the mask you'll start feeling like you are suffocating, so this is very important
the main setup needs to be properly done
- carbon monoxide method (CO) - i still need to study this, so i don't know that many details about it, but basically it works on the same mechanism as the inert gases
- oxygen needs to be replaced by carbon monoxide - CO (not CO2)
- in order to do this we need to have a small room (tent or similar) that will contain CO, and very low oxygen level - under 1%
- a car is not recommended - you could dye burning alive (but a car was used by some people)
- the carbon monoxide needs to be generated by burning coals (cheapest method)
- else buy a CO generator and mask - similar setup as inert gases
pros:
- if done correctly, this has the potential to be 100% peaceful
cons:
- this method was fairly used in the old days, when cars were eliminating high levels of CO
- today's cars (now to 1970's) have catalytic convertors
- these convertors eliminate most CO (will not be able to redirect exhaust from the exhaust pipe back to to cabin)
- also the exhaust had a bad odor (in purpose)
- you might be able to do this if you are a car mechanic and know what you're doing (i don't)
- Sodium Nitrite (not Nitrate) also known on this forum as 'SI'
pros:
- not exactly cheap, but not extremely expensive either
- sources still exist, but the seem to be disappearing
- a potential failure may not cause brain damage
- correct procedure: follow stan's guide to SN; in summary:
- anti vomiting medication
- anti anxiety medication
- anesthesia medication
- SN - 15 to 25 g (don't take too much)
- if still conscious after first glass, and after a lot of vomiting, drink 1 more glass, depending on the vomiting, drink another glass; at this point you should have a total of 4 glasses, just in case
- if unconsciousness is quick, at least 15 g should be ingested in the body (and remain in the body)
- a potential method to bypass the vomiting is discussed here: my-method-of-taking-sn-without-vomiting
- symptoms may vary - a lot
- if not done correctly
- extremely fast heart rate
- feeling of suffocation (rarely)
- could vomit 90% of SN (not enough to die, but bad enough to feel miserable for a few days)
- noise (neighbors that will call police)
- overwhelming panic - call for help
- hanging, tourniquet, night-night (blood choke, korean method) methods
- they have the potential to be very peaceful, but you need to be prepared for the worst
pros:
- extremely cheap and available almost anywhere
- potential peacefulness
- be alone for a few hours
- done correctly implies: obstruct you neck arteries - not veins (very important)
- if you obstruct veins you will feel like your head will explode
- if you press on your bronchial area, or esophagus you will experience extreme terror, extreme panic, suffocation
- some people were saved after 20 minutes of hanging
- bleeding - exsanguination, wrist cutting, blood setting
- cheap and available
- potentially very peaceful after the initial cut
- fade to unconscious - the brain doesn't get oxygen and you faint
cons:
- initial pain of cutting (wrist, neck, leg, etc)
- nerve damage - unable to make a fist / limbs
- extreme deep cuts are needed to sever major arteries
- very long duration (days maybe)
- extreme dangers:
- if blood coagulation is too fast you stop bleeding (pain for nothing)
- if you cut your wrist by train (extreme example) your wound will be cauterized and you stop bleeding instantly
- a safer way to bleed to death is to use a pump or vacuum to extract blood through a major artery, that will remain open until death
- hyperventilating - (shallow water drowning)
pros:
- potentially peaceful
- don't know how this works, but i used to be a swimmer; i used to be able to swim the distance of an olympic swimming pool, underwater, for the entire pool
- i used to be able to hold my breath for 4 to 5 minutes (a long time ago, but my secret was hyperventilation)
cons:
- if you don't become unconscious the drowning process is extremely traumatic and horrific
- the absolute opposite of peacefulness - might as well drown
other notes (for self)
Least painful sudden death is having ventricular fibrillation.
The heart stops beating and there's inadequate blood flow to the brain.
It's very fast. The person is unaware, becomes unconscious, and quickly dies.
Dying of liver failure is generally pain free.
The liver is important in clearing metabolites from the blood stream.
When the liver stops working, certain metabolites build up in the blood and suppress brain function.
Pain perception and judgement are reduced, and the patients are generally unaware.
In early liver failure, there is increased drowsiness and sedation.
As the liver failure progresses, the patient becomes more sleepy and then eventually slips into a coma.
Some patients have itching of the skin due to elevated bilirubin, which gives the skin and the whites of the eyes a yellow hue. It's generally just annoying and can be treated with sedatives and anti-histamines.
Since the failing liver also cannot metabolize narcotics and sedatives, patients who have pain or agitation for other reasons experience a significant reduction in both. For these unfortunate patients, death is peaceful for both them and their families.
worst death: Pancreatic cancer
From nerve pain to bone damage, and treatment side effects, dying of cancer can be very painful, and pancreatic cancer is arguably the worst when it comes to pain.
Pancreatic cancer can cause a great deal of pain when it presses against the nerves around the area. This causes agonizing abdominal and back pain. Intestinal blockages can also occur, as well as referred soft-tissue pain in other parts of the body.
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