Pegasos legal assisted dying clinic will almost guaranteed say yes, regardless of your state of health

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

Pegasos doesn't really care all that much about your health situation, what they care about is your right to choose. They're smart enough to know that you're not going to want to die, unless you're actually suffering intolerably. They just want to make sure that you are of sound mind to really know what you're doing, and that you're not being coerced into the decision.

Dignitas in Switzerland is much more strict than Pegasos. For those who have tried Dignitas and failed to qualify, please try Pegasos. There is a HUGE difference in their philosophies, and I can almost guarantee that Pegasos will say yes!

They are both legal assisted suicide clinics in Switzerland that cater to mostly international clients.

There is a significant cost involved, and some travel, but it is definitely a really great option for many people.

Their official philosophy is that it is the right of every rational adult of sound mind, regardless of their state of health, to choose the manner and timing of their death.

The fact that Pegasos exists, is proof that the attitudes of people in the world about the right to die, and legal assisted suicide, are changing dramatically, and quickly.

To speed up this process even further, right to your local elected representative. Links provided for all English-speaking countries in this thread: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...sentatives-politicians-links-provided.183953/

 

[Forever Sleep]

I'd honestly be curious to know if people here have applied to Pegasos. I do know that they're not as strict at Dignitas but I'm still not sure they are that open to 'helping' people. I imagine their criteria is still pretty stringent. I'm curious though to hear people's experiences (if anyone has tried.)

One thing I would say- check how much of your money is refunded if you apply and get rejected. As far as I remember from these places, every stage incurs a fee and, some of those aren't refunded- if you are rejected.

I've noticed a couple of posts recently that seem to suggest VAD is much more accomodating than I got the impression of it. One this morning seemed to suggest they accepted bereavement as just cause. I've never heard of that. I wonder though- maybe things are changing or, I've just got the wrong impression.

 

[babouflo201223]

Pegasos ne se soucie pas vraiment de votre état de santé, ce qui l'intéresse, c'est votre droit de choisir. Ils sont suffisamment intelligents pour savoir que vous ne voudrez pas mourir, à moins que vous ne souffriez vraiment de manière intolérable. Ils veulent juste s'assurer que vous êtes sain d'esprit pour savoir vraiment ce que vous faites et que vous n'êtes pas contraint de prendre cette décision.

En Suisse, Dignitas est beaucoup plus strict que Pegasos. Pour ceux qui ont essayé Dignitas et n'ont pas réussi à se qualifier, essayez Pegasos. Il y a une ÉNORME différence dans leurs philosophies !

Il s'agit de deux cliniques légales d'aide au suicide en Suisse qui s'adressent principalement à une clientèle internationale.

Cela implique un coût important et des déplacements, mais c'est définitivement une excellente option pour de nombreuses personnes.

Leur philosophie officielle est qu'il est du droit de tout adulte rationnel et sain d'esprit, quel que soit son état de santé, de choisir les modalités et le moment de sa mort.

Le fait que Pegasos existe est la preuve que les attitudes des gens dans le monde à l'égard du droit à mourir et du suicide assisté légal changent radicalement et rapidement.

Pour accélérer encore davantage ce processus, adressez-vous directement à votre représentant élu local. Liens fournis pour tous les pays anglophones dans ce fil de discussion : https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...sentatives-politicians-links-provided.183953/

Interesting, but not so sure they will accept. There is always a difference between theory and reality. I remember that someone posted here, a few months ago (summer) that she felt very upset because finally Pegasos didn't accept to help her while they gave her a big hope first. Don't imagine, please, that Pegasos accepts so easily. Maybe easier than Dignitas, but not easily anyway. It will be good news when it happen in real, I hope soon.

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

Interesting, but not so sure they will accept. There is always a difference between theory and reality. I remember that someone posted here, a few months ago (summer) that she felt very upset because finally Pegasos didn't accept to help her while they gave her a big hope first. Don't imagine, please, that Pegasos accepts so easily. Maybe easier than Dignitas, but not easily anyway. It will be good news when it happen in real, I hope soon.

I was very skeptical at first, because I'd already talked to Dignitas with not much hope from them. They wanted to see all my medical records, etc. but when you go on the Pegasos website, you can tell right away that's not what they're doing. They state very clearly that our health situation is not what they care about. They care about our right to choose. I think things are changing quickly for the better, even within Pegasos. I think soon may have already arrived.

 

[thirdtimesthecharmg]

I'm thinking about trying it out. I don't want to have to go through getting medical records, and I don't really want to waste the expense, but it seems like a good option given I don't have the courage to do it myself (at least, would prefer to avoid) and they do offer the good stuff.

In a lot of ways I'd rather put it towards building, but I don't really see that happening, so better to take the way out available.

The main thing I'm worried about is having to get medical records and what the fee is if they reject me.

 

[babouflo201223]

I was very skeptical at first, because I'd already talked to Dignitas with not much hope from them. They wanted to see all my medical records, etc. but when you go on the Pegasos website, you can tell right away that's not what they're doing. They state very clearly that our health situation is not what they care about. They care about our right to choose. I think things are changing quickly for the better, even within Pegasos. I think soon may have already arrived.

Would like to believe you're right...

Au début, j'étais très sceptique, car j'avais déjà parlé à Dignitas sans grand espoir de leur part. Ils voulaient voir tous mes dossiers médicaux, etc., mais quand on va sur le site Web de Pegasos, on voit tout de suite que ce n'est pas ce qu'ils font. Ils disent très clairement que notre situation sanitaire n'est pas ce qui les intéresse. Ce qui les intéresse, c'est notre droit de choisir. Je pense que les choses évoluent rapidement pour le mieux, même au sein de Pegasos. Je pense que cela est peut-être déjà arrivé bientôt.

Sur leur site, ils ne disent pas clairement qu'ils acceptent les personnes atteintes de troubles mentaux ! Ils disent : il n'y a pas de réponse définitive à cette question. Alors... They could be interested in health matter in fact, otherwise their answer would be clearly "yes, we accept them".

J'aimerais croire que tu as raison...

Sur leur site, ils ne disent pas clairement qu'ils acceptent les personnes atteintes de troubles mentaux ! Ils disent : il n'y a pas de réponse définitive à cette question. Alors... Ils pourraient en effet s'intéresser aux questions de santé, sinon leur réponse serait clairement "oui, nous les acceptons".

When it's not clear, it's a problem for me.

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

I'm thinking about trying it out. I don't want to have to go through getting medical records, and I don't really want to waste the expense, but it seems like a good option given I don't have the courage to do it myself (at least, would prefer to avoid) and they do offer the good stuff.

In a lot of ways I'd rather put it towards building, but I don't really see that happening, so better to take the way out available.

The main thing I'm worried about is having to get medical records and what the fee is if they reject me.

This was and is the big thing for me as well, because I have a very strange constellation of physical symptoms, as a result of a mini-stroke. The medical industry doesn't think that these are that big of a deal, but they most certainly are in some cases.

The problem is, the damage doesn't show up on any of their tests, such as CAT scan, EEG, etc., so they just assume everything is fine. I often wish I just had a normal or traditional health problem, such as cancer or heart disease, just so the medical industry would believe me.

So for me, as you can see, Pegasos would be the only legal solution at this current time.

 

[PhDone]

This was and is the big thing for me as well, because I have a very strange constellation of physical symptoms, as a result of a mini-stroke. The medical industry doesn't think that these are that big of a deal, but they most certainly are in some cases.

The problem is, the damage doesn't show up on any of their tests, such as CAT scan, EEG, etc., so they just assume everything is fine. I often wish I just had a normal or traditional health problem, such as cancer or heart disease, just so the medical industry would believe me.

So for me, as you can see, Pegasos would be the only legal solution at this current time.

Very similar for me. I have ME, no tests that confirm it atm. So speculative diagnostically but I know for sure its what I have, I fit every description particularly the way it responds to activity and 'exercise'. I'm concerned about the downpayment too. And also getting family onside without compromising ctb if I cant make it happen.

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

If anyone has written to Pegasos and asked if they qualify, or have had any other experiences with them in any way, please tell us. The more people know, the better, especially when there's some significant money involved!

I have just contacted them myself to see if I would qualify, I'll let you know when I hear back.

 

[ladylazarus4]

I think I recall the Pegasus website saying that even thought you dont have to be chronically/terminally ill, they don't accept many people + it's super expensive

 

[J&L383]

I'm thinking about trying it out. I don't want to have to go through getting medical records, and I don't really want to waste the expense, but it seems like a good option given I don't have the courage to do it myself (at least, would prefer to avoid) and they do offer the good stuff.

In a lot of ways I'd rather put it towards building, but I don't really see that happening, so better to take the way out available.

The main thing I'm worried about is having to get medical records and what the fee is if they reject me.

For Pegasos, the last I was told is about $1,500 is not refunded if you get rejected, or if you change your mind. Dignitas is less generous (no refunds), but they try to be transparent about their fees, and reasons for them.

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

I think I recall the Pegasus website saying that even thought you dont have to be chronically/terminally ill, they don't accept many people + it's super expensive

I've not seen that on their website. They responded to my email yesterday, and said the earliest they could do it for me is this December if I apply. The fee is $8,000 Canadian up front and another 8,000 when the date is set. This may sound like a lot, but it's not really when you consider you can't even buy a new car for this amount.

We're talking about your entire life here, what's $16,000 really? If you're married and you're spouse realizes that you're leaving your half of the money to her or him, I think that $16,000 CAD is going to seem like a bargain.

So far they haven't asked to see any medical records. What they want to see is your birth certificate, passport, proof of residence, marriage certificate if you're married, spouses' birth certificate.

 

[be or not to be]

Estoy thought in probarlo. No one has to pass on obtaining medical records and you actually don't want to lose your food, but it's a good option that you don't have to worry about having to worry about (albeit, prefer to avoid) and offering good things .

In many cases we prefer to intend to construct it, but we do not believe that this is the case, as it is better to have the available security.

The main thing that concerns me is that you should follow the medical records and what the cost is if I ask.

I sent an email with information too.
I understand that I have to pay 5000 only with the request? And if the reject my request the refund me the total money?

I've not seen that on their website. They responded to my email yesterday, and said the earliest they could do it for me is this December if I apply. The fee is $8,000 Canadian up front and another 8,000 when the date is set. This may sound like a lot, but it's not really when you consider you can't even buy a new car for this amount.

We're talking about your entire life here, what's $16,000 really? If you're married and you're spouse realizes that you're leaving your half of the money to her or him, I think that $16,000 CAD is going to seem like a bargain.

So far they haven't asked to see any medical records. What they want to see is your birth certificate, passport, proof of residence, marriage certificate if you're married, spouses' birth certificate.

Interesting. When do you have to pay?
When you send this documents? Or after when you sent your medical records?

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

I sent an email with information too.
I understand that I have to pay 5000 only with the request? And if the reject my request the refund me the total money?

Interesting. When do you have to pay?
When you send this documents? Or after when you sent your medical records?

So far, they have not asked for my medical records at all. They did ask me to write an email to explain my background and health situation, which I actually just sent a text few minutes ago. This seems to be what they're using to determine if I qualify or not. I'll keep you posted when I hear back. So far they've been very prompt in responding.

 

[be or not to be]

Hasta ahora, no me han pedido mi historial médico en absoluto. Me pidieron que escribiera un correo electrónico para explicar mis antecedentes y mi situación de salud, que de hecho acabo de enviar un mensaje de texto hace unos minutos. Parece que esto es lo que están usando para determinar si califico o no. Te mantendré informado cuando reciba una respuesta. Hasta ahora han sido muy rápidos en responder.

I only got a automatic email answer.
Thanks, I wait for your news

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

I only got a automatic email answer.
Thanks, I wait for your news

They responded the next day after the automatic response, asking for me to write about my situation.

 

[be or not to be]

Respondieron al día siguiente de la respuesta automática, pidiéndome que escribiera sobre mi situación.

I Will wait for your answer

 

[alltoomuch2]

I know someone in the UK who tried to apply to Pegasos for mental health reasons and they received a flat no and were advised to contact mental health services
I know someone in the UK who tried to apply to Pegasos for mental health reasons and they received a flat no and were advised to contact mental health services

 

[thirdtimesthecharmg]

I know someone in the UK who tried to apply to Pegasos for mental health reasons and they received a flat no and were advised to contact mental health services
I know someone in the UK who tried to apply to Pegasos for mental health reasons and they received a flat no and were advised to contact mental health services

That's what I just got: too young and not for just depression. Just flat no, don't bother applying. (What I got in response, paraphrased)

 

[TAW122]

Yeah what others have said here about assisted dying organizations (including Pegasos), they are very unlikely to give the greenlight or approval for people who are generally young (less than age 50) and in relatively good physical health. I know it's a bit disappointing for people who wished this was an viable option, but in reality it just isn't. Even from a legal perspective, they don't want to risk legal and ethical consequences so even they are very protective and selective with their criteria of who gets to qualify for their services.

Like for instance if someone had a severe physical ailment, debility (not terminal per se) and is of older age, like over 50 or so, then there is a good chance for approval, but again, not guaranteed though.

 

[be or not to be]

That's what I just got: too young and not for just depression. Just flat no, don't bother applying. (What I got in response, paraphrased)

How old are you?

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

How old are you?

It makes sense that they would be nervous about providing their services for people who are much younger. I don't feel that's right, because a younger person has a lot more potential time to suffer than an older person, but I see their side of it as well. They probably see somebody who's younger and suffering from just depression as being a strong candidate for recovery.

I've sent in my initial letter explaining my background and situation, and I'm waiting to hear back as to whether or not I likely qualify. We'll see what happens.

 

[Darkness3456]

This is interesting. I tried PEGASOS and they have told me 'no.' They said that assisted suicide is not possible for me. Same for DIGNITAS.

 

[Amarajoy]

Does having a disease like Alzheimer's or Dementia prevent getting VAD?

16000 is a lot of money. Leaves a lot of people unable to access this service. Last I heard it was about 10000, which was still quite high. Seems it's quickly going up.

Is there a fee for initial application to see if you will be approved?

 

[coffeebeany]

I wrote them yesterday and also stated my diagnosis of chronic pain and how it's getting worse. I described that I have medical records. I got an answer today that they won't accept my application based on these facts and age (33).

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

I wrote them yesterday and also stated my diagnosis of chronic pain and how it's getting worse. I described that I have medical records. I got an answer today that they won't accept my application based on these facts and age (33).

What is the cause of your chronic pain if you don't mind me asking?

Does having a disease like Alzheimer's or Dementia prevent getting VAD?

16000 is a lot of money. Leaves a lot of people unable to access this service. Last I heard it was about 10000, which was still quite high. Seems it's quickly going up.

Is there a fee for initial application to see if you will be approved?

The fee is still the same, I just converted it from Swiss francs to Canadian dollars. Half is due when you apply and half when you set the date.

 

[coffeebeany]

What is the cause of your chronic pain if you don't mind me asking?

It's complicated and I also told them. We know the body keeps the score. So basically I have chronic pain syndrome due to somatic and mental factors (ICD). And a few other syndromes like maladaptive stress response manifesting in the body. I ve got it on paper. These Syndroms also manifest in things like the beginning and progression of scoliosis, hip alignment etc. Soon I'll have spinal and disc problems and all the other stuff. There is no cure. It's due to severe c ptsd, depression, anxiety disorder from an early age. i can't change the past and the family I was brought up in. So I have to live with it and all that will come with it .

 

[Praying 4 a Miracle]

It's complicated and I also told them. We know the body keeps the score. So basically I have chronic pain syndrome due to somatic and mental factors (ICD). And a few other syndromes like maladaptive stress response manifesting in the body. I ve got it on paper. These Syndroms also manifest in things like the beginning and progression of scoliosis, hip alignment etc. Soon I'll have spinal and disc problems and all the other stuff. There is no cure. It's due to severe c ptsd, depression, anxiety disorder from an early age. i can't change the past and the family I was brought up in. So I have to live with it and all that will come with it .

I have to say that I'm really surprised that they said no to you. The only thing I can figure is that you are still pretty young. Also it does sound quite complicated, and elements of it are psychological. They may see this as being more of a mental issue than a physical one. I'm just guessing here though. What I would do is try again in a year or so.

When they see that you are persistent, and there's no sign of positive changes or recovery, maybe they will give you the green light. They probably feel like there's a chance of you recovering or improving in the future. From the comments that I'm reading of people's real experiences, it's definitely not as easy to qualify as I initially believed. Going strictly by their philosophy, you should definitely qualify.

 

[be or not to be]

I have answered the question about my age and asked them to explain my situation. Let's see what happens, age 45, 2 years less than that British person they authorized.

 

[PhDone]

For Pegasos, the last I was told is about $1,500 is not refunded if you get rejected, or if you change your mind. Dignitas is less generous (no refunds), but they try to be transparent about their fees, and reasons for them.

Is this confirmed, $1500 not refunded? Its massive for me to not lose $10k on applying and potentially getting turned down.