Please idiot proof my SN plan

[TraumaEscapee:)]

8 hour fast

1 hour before drinking SN1000mg of paracetamol


45 minutes before drinking SN 3X10mg Metoclopramide (30mg in total)

30 minutes before drinking SNDouble dose of gaviscon

SN drink 25gm in very cold water (water thats been in fridge as I don't like warm water).


I also have propranolol and phenegran (also known as promethazine a sedative)

How do I fit these medications into the regiment? Do I even need them? The phenagren was going to be used as a substitute for benzos (phenegran makes you sleep)

I'm 95kg so taking the 25gm of SN if you're over 100kg it's 35gm I believe.
I'm going to be getting the paper cups tomorrow

 

[LunarLight]

Propranolol is not necessary and may even be counterproductive as it postpones unconsciousness.
As for phenagren, I wonder if it's strong enough a medication to ease your anxiety.

 

[TraumaEscapee:)]

Propranolol is not necessary and may even be counterproductive as it postpones unconsciousness.
As for phenagren, I wonder if it's strong enough a medication to ease your anxiety.

I've heard the same about propranolol so I'll exclude it from my plan. Phenegran it's not as strong as benzos (something I've had prescribed before for anxiety). It's a case of the more you take the quicker it is to feel extremely tired and get knocked out. Essentially something like 20-30 pills. I know because I overdosed on phenegran a while ago and I fell asleep within 30-40 minutes but I was so tired I could barely walk and sounded drunk within 15 minutes of the overdose.

 

[cowboypants]

I suggest not taking the antacid, it is said to slow down absorption, replace it with omeprazole, which is also OTC.

 

[TraumaEscapee:)]

I suggest not taking the antacid, it is said to slow down absorption, replace it with omeprazole, which is also OTC.

Omeprazole what's the recommended dose? And thanks. I've spent so much on medication my CTB better work because it's been expensive lol

 

[cowboypants]

Omeprazole what's the recommended dose? And thanks. I've spent so much on medication my CTB better work because it's been expensive lol

80mg you can take it with meto, take a look at the PPH. I can relate :p

 

[TraumaEscapee:)]

80mg you can take it with meto, take a look at the PPH. I can relate :p

Where is the PPH?

 

[athiestjoe]

Where is the PPH?

You can find the PPEH here.

Hope you find everything you are looking for and get peace & serenity.

 

[TraumaEscapee:)]

You can find the PPEH here.

Hope you find everything you are looking for and get peace & serenity.

Thank you Joe

 

[Demian]

If I can't buy oxazepam because I need a prescription, can I get a substitute?

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

Echoing the sentiment on the antacid and Propranolol. Antacid is no longer recommended, and having some acid in your stomach will convert some of the Nitrite to Nitric Oxide, which may speed up unconsciousness due to the potent hypotensive effect. Propranolol is only if you TRULY cannot bear the tachycardia. The decreased oxygen consumption with a slower heart rate would theoretically slow time to unconsciousness. By how much? There's no data on that afaik. So it may be better to try and thug it out, if that's something you think you're capable of doing. I don't know about Promethazine so I can't speak on that.

Otherwise, your plan looks fine to me. It's pretty simple if one is only taking a painkiller and AE. Other meds like benzos and whatnot can add extra complication with all of the timings. But since you're now steering away from the antacid and Propran, you've got a pretty simple and idiot proof plan imo.

Hopefully someone can provide an answer regarding the Promethazine.

 

[TraumaEscapee:)]

If I can't buy oxazepam because I need a prescription, can I get a substitute?

Hi can you please create your own thread and ask questions there? This thread is about my SN regiment. Youll get individual answers when you create your own thread. Thank you.

Echoing the sentiment on the antacid and Propranolol. Antacid is no longer recommended, and having some acid in your stomach will convert some of the Nitrite to Nitric Oxide, which may speed up unconsciousness due to the potent hypotensive effect. Propranolol is only if you TRULY cannot bear the tachycardia. The decreased oxygen consumption with a slower heart rate would theoretically slow time to unconsciousness. By how much? There's no data on that afaik. So it may be better to try and thug it out, if that's something you think you're capable of doing. I don't know about Promethazine so I can't speak on that.

Otherwise, your plan looks fine to me. It's pretty simple if one is only taking a painkiller and AE. Other meds like benzos and whatnot can add extra complication with all of the timings. But since you're now steering away from the antacid and Propran, you've got a pretty simple and idiot proof plan imo.

Hopefully someone can provide an answer regarding the Promethazine.

So basically 1000mg paracetamol, then the 30mg of metoclopramide, and then SN drink? Leave the other steps out? X

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

So basically 1000mg paracetamol, then the 30mg of metoclopramide, and then SN drink? Leave the other steps out? X

That's my protocol, and I personally see no reason to add anything else.

But like I said, if you feel like tachycardia will cause you too much distress, then Propranolol might be worth using. I myself am not a fan of tachycardia, since I had a bad experience with it during a lung collapse (shot up to 187bpm!) and I'm generally quite anxious and self-conscious about my heart. But having just recently experienced 161bpm (when my Meto arrived, LOL), I don't think it will be as bad as I was worrying about. I also would like to take advantage of the increased cardiac oxygen demand, since that may speed up unconsciousness. So I'm just gonna tough it out and go without Propranolol.

But your personal preferences are not mine, so it's up to you to think and decide what you feel is best.

 

[sadlittleman32]

That's my protocol, and I personally see no reason to add anything else.

But like I said, if you feel like tachycardia will cause you too much distress, then Propranolol might be worth using. I myself am not a fan of tachycardia, since I had a bad experience with it during a lung collapse (shot up to 187bpm!) and I'm generally quite anxious and self-conscious about my heart. But having just recently experienced 161bpm (when my Meto arrived, LOL), I don't think it will be as bad as I was worrying about. I also would like to take advantage of the increased cardiac oxygen demand, since that may speed up unconsciousness. So I'm just gonna tough it out and go without Propranolol.

But your personal preferences are not mine, so it's up to you to think and decide what you feel is best.

I have 300mg of propranolol and some omeprazole both of which I am planning to use for my attempt…would it be a better idea to take them with the AE or the benzo? What's the onset of action for both of these medications?

 

[Plato'sCaveDweller]

I have 300mg of propranolol and some omeprazole both of which I am planning to use for my attempt…would it be a better idea to take them with the AE or the benzo? What's the onset of action for both of these medications?

I can't answer that.

One of the bigger issues I had with Propranolol was the lack of clear info on the timing. Do I take it with the Meto 40-45 min prior? Or do I take a big dose in the SN? Do I take part of the dose before my painkiller (then the rest with the Meto) to assure peak concentration when I ingest the SN? It's unclear what the ideal timing is.

The onset effects for Propranolol begin about 60 minutes after ingestion. I have no clue about the Omeprazole, but it seems like it's about an hour as well.

 

[JustAnx]

It's 18:15 for me, must be 10:15 pm for you. I couldn't find your other post, but i hope you're a doing well, whatever decision you made.

 

[cherryblossom]

It's 18:15 for me, must be 10:15 pm for you. I couldn't find your other post, but i hope you're a doing well, whatever decision you made.

I couldn't find it as well, hope she's okay.

 

[absolutelyyou]

Glad I wasnt the only one looking for that thread. If you're still with us @TraumaEscapee:) we're here for you <3

 

[ForestGhost]

I've been in close contact with TE recently. She last messaged me (off-site) early afternoon GMT time yesterday talking about her plans to CTB, then never responded to me after that, which is quite unlike her. I assume something did happen.

She is an incredibly sweet and kind person and was always thinking about others even in her darkest moments. I hope whatever the situation is, she's feeling peace right now.

 

[JustAnx]

I've been in close contact with TE recently. She last messaged me (off-site) early afternoon GMT time yesterday talking about her plans to CTB, then never responded to me after that, which is quite unlike her. I assume something did happen.

She is an incredibly sweet and kind person and was always thinking about others even in her darkest moments. I hope whatever the situation is, she's feeling peace right now.

Thank you for your post. Yday made post that was going to ctb at 11 pm uk time and ask if we could there for her. I was but i think she deleted her post. But any decission she made i hope she's ok and/or peace.

 

[swankysoup]

I was hoping that propranolol was a good fit to ease the anxiety

 

[TraumaEscapee:)]

I'm still here, I've messages Ten Trees of the app today. When I CTB you will all know because there will be something similar to a good bye thread with my actions being mentioned as everything happens. You will all definitely know. I deleted the thread because after my chat with Ten Trees he said something important which was that things could change and given that I don't have an answer set in stone yet. I have put my CTB plan on hold until I know the answer for certain and am no longer in limbo. I don't want to CTB and. Have a live review which tells me things may have happened if I stayed. So I will CTB and only CTB when I know the thing is most certainly not happening (touch wood things go in my favour amen).

Glad I wasnt the only one looking for that thread. If you're still with us @TraumaEscapee:) we're here for you <3

I appreciate that and yes I am.

 

[goblinofisiyal11]

This might be a dumb question, but does water temperature matter for SN? It would also be favourable for me to drink cold water instead of warm water as it might dull some of the salty taste, although the downside might be that it's more difficult to swallow

 

[pilotviolin]

I've heard the same about propranolol so I'll exclude it from my plan. Phenegran it's not as strong as benzos (something I've had prescribed before for anxiety). It's a case of the more you take the quicker it is to feel extremely tired and get knocked out. Essentially something like 20-30 pills. I know because I overdosed on phenegran a while ago and I fell asleep within 30-40 minutes but I was so tired I could barely walk and sounded drunk within 15 minutes of the overdose.

promethazine is a dopamine antagonist and anticholinergic, its sedative effects come from it antagonizing muscanaric receptors and histamine receptors.

id be careful taking more than 100-200mg, you know yourself more than i do and idk how much u took, but you can read reports online of people being delirious or having movement disorders, its mainly known for potentiating opioids (ie codiene in cough syrups) though which other first gen antihistamines and anticholinergics are usually capable of doing. its more potent in its effects than doxylamine and dph. falling asleep with little complication sounds like the best case scenario, i have promethazine myself but i dont use it unless i need to like doxylamine because ive scared myself with stuff like this lol and i dont want to be having spasms which ive seen a guy on erowid happen with about 60-70mg. weird thing about promethazine is it can make things sound pitched lower, which could be why DJ screw who was a big contributor to audio editing by using a literal screw on records might sound slow and low pitched.

but yeah anyone else thinking about promethazine, i personally would be terrified to take a crazy amount of any anticholinergic, you can read the endless stories about dmh and dph, whatever is in triple cs, infamous plants like datura, and i learnt doxylamine overdose can lead to peeing out muscle proteins, just in general not a good idea. you can go to sleep but also you can be in delirium, have a horrible bodyload and feel like crap days to weeks after especially if youre mixing things.