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Wantingpeace

Wantingpeace

Wizard
Aug 16, 2018
672
Not sure what to say if questioned about getting n or police ask to search property. Will be worse consequences lying to police. Any advice if God forbid this would happen?
 
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Jaded

Student
Sep 8, 2018
111
I don't know about the horrible UK but someone bought it in Australia and it was just confiscated from her.
 
VincentValentine

VincentValentine

Student
Sep 27, 2018
145
In the states as well as most other western countries, you have a right "not to talk to the police". If they confront you tell them you want to remain silent until you speak with a lawyer. Don't even argue with them, and if they arrest you, of course don't resist. If they call you don't talk to them or call them back.
 
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Wantingpeace

Wantingpeace

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Aug 16, 2018
672
No money for lawyer ..now I'm worried already
 
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VincentValentine

VincentValentine

Student
Sep 27, 2018
145
If you cant afford one, they're supposed to assign you a public defender for free.
 
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Schopenhauer

Enlightened
Oct 3, 2018
1,133

They can be quite strict, but you shouldn't be too worried. Just make sure you have nothing incriminating in your house, because there may be a raid (not very likely, but its good to be prepared). Delete all emails pertaining to the negotiation, clear your browser data, use incognito mode all the time (or better yet, Tor). ProtonMail for encryption.

If the feds to come knocking, don't talk to them, admit to nothing, demand a public defendant. They probably won't even charge you with anything. You'll just lose the N.
 
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Wantingpeace

Wantingpeace

Wizard
Aug 16, 2018
672
They can be quite strict, but you shouldn't be too worried. Just make sure you have nothing incriminating in your house, because there may be a raid (not very likely, but its good to be prepared). Delete all emails pertaining to the negotiation, clear your browser data, use incognito mode all the time (or better yet, Tor). ProtonMail for encryption.

Nothing incriminating? But hopefully I'll have the n? I have tor but keep forgetting to activate it :/

If the feds to come knocking, don't talk to them, admit to nothing, demand a public defendant. They probably won't even charge you with anything. You'll just lose the N.
 
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Schopenhauer

Enlightened
Oct 3, 2018
1,133
Nothing incriminating? But hopefully I'll have the n? I have tor but keep forgetting to activate it :/

If you receive the N at your house then everything went fine and nobody will pay you a visit. The legal trouble will only happen if Customs seize it, and send it along the feds (I don't know the actual law enforcement agencies in the UK with jurisdiction on this matter.)
 
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Wantingpeace

Wantingpeace

Wizard
Aug 16, 2018
672
Ok thank you all for advice shall come back to this thread.
 
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Schopenhauer

Enlightened
Oct 3, 2018
1,133
Indeed, public defenders are the worst. They'll try to make you accept some sort of plea agreement.
 
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GoingSoonish

GoingSoonish

It is what it is
Aug 19, 2018
126
In fairness, they are often overworked and underpaid because no voter is going to vote for a politician that supports increasing the funding for free legal services. It is considered being "soft on crime" to support the rights of the accused.
 
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Sayo

Not 2B
Aug 22, 2018
520
I think it depends on the public defender whether they want to help you, but what they can actually do for you without throwing all their other cases tends to be limited. It's a bad job if you have empathy for your clients.

Theoretically you can be fined quite heavily for personally possessing N in most countries, and one always has to bear the worst case scenario in mind in their own personal risk assessment. In practice, people have just had their N confiscated and sometimes smaller fines. Most of these people have the advantage that nobody is really gung-ho for the cops to arrest old people for buying their own end-of-life drugs, and that people don't want to know about it. Younger people with cancer and stuff have gone to court a couple of times and just had to pay a fine. To be fair, these people may have had help from end of life orgs.

Importing large quantities (enough to be considered a traffickable quantity) or on behalf of others is what risks the serious legal trouble and cases that some people have gone through.
 
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Wantingpeace

Wantingpeace

Wizard
Aug 16, 2018
672
So I know that my package has been held by .uk customs. Cannot believe it.
 
worldexploder

worldexploder

Visionary
Sep 19, 2018
2,821
If you can't afford a lawyer, wouldn't they appoint a public defender? Do you have the right to remain silent in the UK? If you got caught maybe it would be best to tell them how miserable your life is and how you just wanted peace. Maybe they would show mercy in that scenario. Just thinking out loud.
 
s_girl

s_girl

Still here?
Sep 13, 2018
191
I tracked the package and it says - held by customs until addressee notified.

People have been known to be given the wrong tracking numbers. Or the tracking is not updated or is incorrect. Customs often delays packages, particularly if they're opened and checked. But hidden items still may not be detected... I agree it doesn't look good, but I don't think it's time to panic just yet.

My understanding is that it's not illegal to receive a package, as anyone can send to anywhere to set them up. Otherwise everyone would send nasty things to their enemy or ex to set them up all the time! I believe they need proof you actually purchased it. And they need warrants / probable cause to get that and I'm sure it's all too hard for them. Most people just get confiscation or possibly a small fine.

Remember, just stay calm. You've done nothing wrong. Deny, then say nothing without legal aid. I think the worst thing that could happen would be sectioned to psych ward for a few days but I'm sure it will be fine... I'll have my fingers crossed for you!
 
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Wantingpeace

Wantingpeace

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Aug 16, 2018
672
If you can't afford a lawyer, wouldn't they appoint a public defender? Do you have the right to remain silent in the UK? If you got caught maybe it would be best to tell them how miserable your life is and how you just wanted peace. Maybe they would show mercy in that scenario. Just thinking out loud.
Yes can say no comment. Yes was thinking also maybe the truth as I'm horrific condition I can't imagine lying like this. Oh I dunno.
 
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Wantingpeace

Wantingpeace

Wizard
Aug 16, 2018
672
People have been known to be given the wrong tracking numbers. Or the tracking is not updated or is incorrect. Customs often delays packages, particularly if they're opened and checked. But hidden items still may not be detected... I agree it doesn't look good, but I don't think it's time to panic just yet.

My understanding is that it's not illegal to receive a package, as anyone can send to anywhere to set them up. Otherwise everyone would send nasty things to their enemy or ex to set them up all the time! I believe they need proof you actually purchased it. And they need warrants / probable cause to get that and I'm sure it's all too hard for them. Most people just get confiscation or possibly a small fine.

Remember, just stay calm. You've done nothing wrong. Deny, then say nothing without legal aid. I think the worst thing that could happen would be sectioned to psych ward for a few days but I'm sure it will be fine... I'll have my fingers crossed for you!
Thank you xxx just so hard as with terror of death but needing to escape torture I really felt this was one of only options.
 
worldexploder

worldexploder

Visionary
Sep 19, 2018
2,821
Yes can say no comment. Yes was thinking also maybe the truth as I'm horrific condition I can't imagine lying like this. Oh I dunno.
Anyone who is against the right to die are tyrants to me. It's sad that we gotta be worried about this.
 
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worldexploder

worldexploder

Visionary
Sep 19, 2018
2,821
Oh yes tis not like i ordered it and will be having a great time taking it!!
We gotta do what we gotta do. People who claim to enjoy life can't seem to comprehend what a prison it is for people like us wether we have a mental or physical condition.
 
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