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So my friend who is a psychologist thinks I should see one. He's even offered to pay for one for ten sessions. He thinks the therapy I've had in the past isn't good quality.

I think this is a waste of time and money.

Has anyone had sessions with a psychologist? What's your experience?

Ty
 
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Yeah, some of it has been very helpful. Other times it has been useless. It is is like any job out there, sometimes you get someone competent that gives a shit, other times you get some one doing the bare minimum. It is made more complicated as everyone is different and one type of therapy was like stroking a cat backwards and another has had lasting results for me to this day. It was what led to friends and passion.

After being homeless, once I had a home I did not want to leave it or go outside or even be looked at. It took a therapist that truly cared to break that isolating anxiety. Exploring those fears further led back to my stepfather and how he had already damaged my trust in people. Mowed those weeds and got him out out of my head, took some work. Because even though I had left that situation it was like he was a backseat driver, beating me over the head goading me to pursue perfection that did not exist and mocking me for my failures. It helped me get rid of a chronic sense of failure and trying to appease every one. Armed me with the tools to be my authentic self and fuck everyone else who wants to take my own power away and turn me into a doormat. Went from housebound to pretty successful and fulfilled in various areas.

I would say give it a shot, you are on a suicide related forum for a start, 'waste of money' is the least of your worries. May as well exhaust whats on offer, as death as a choice is not going anywhere. Just don't make the mistake of viewing it like a magical cure, it is not, but if you find the right person they may be able to arm you with tools that can dig you out of your own mental shit and you may feel just a bit less buried.
 
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So my friend who is a psychologist thinks I should see one. He's even offered to pay for one for ten sessions. He thinks the therapy I've had in the past isn't good quality.

I think this is a waste of time and money.

Has anyone had sessions with a psychologist? What's your experience?

Ty
It lead to ptsd that I now have to deal with myself. That's because I spent so long with them when it was never the answer. That's a very personal situation and I shouldn't write them all off because I was stupid enough to go along with something I didn't need just to keep others happy. I can never go back though. How can it deal with the trauma when it is the trauma?
 
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I am a social worker. Worked for the Hemlock Society, Society for the right to die and other organizations. I helped people die.

Depending on the counselor and what you want from counseling it can be very beneficial. You need to find the right therapist for your needs.
 
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So my friend who is a psychologist thinks I should see one. He's even offered to pay for one for ten sessions. He thinks the therapy I've had in the past isn't good quality.

I think this is a waste of time and money.

Has anyone had sessions with a psychologist? What's your experience?

Ty

A friend offers to pay for a session. You are suicidal. What do you have to lose?
 
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I dealt with at least one psychologist that was a complete asshole, like, the actual asshole. A couple that were okay...it's very hit and miss but if they're paying for it it might be worth checking out. I won't say it won't hurt because the wrong one can set you back
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It massively depends on who you see. Finding a psychologist that can help you is incredibly hard in my experience becuase you need to find one that you just 'click' with. My current one is the best one I've ever seen and it enables me to be totally transparent with her. I saw a member of her team last week as she was off work, instantly got bad vibes and closed over, wouldn't cooperate etc.
Sometimes you need to go through tens of them to find the right one, and I don't think it helps until you find that one.
 
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@Misanthrope sums it up pretty well and wrote a very thorough response.

Personally for me, it hasn't really been helpful (keep in mind I'm speaking for myself though) since I already have self-awareness and introspection and I want to arrive at solutions rather than vent or cope. It can certainly be helpful for those who wish to find coping methods and/or vent (having someone to listen), as well as help them arrive at conclusions themselves.

Even assuming that I got the best psychologist or therapist in the world, it wouldn't be applicable for me due to my problems being something that requires an methodical way of solving. Also, my methods of copes differ greatly from that of most people (not just some breathing exercises, or stimming, or other things). I find my own copes and know my situation best.

As far as time and costs are concerned, I will honestly say, personally, I am not able to afford them, let alone try multiple therapists, psychologists, or mental health professionals until I find the "right" one (assuming the right one exists and can actually help me). I simply just don't have the financial means to do so and not wasting my limited time outside of work and other stuff.
 
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A friend offers to pay for a session. You are suicidal. What do you have to lose?

I'm so tired with depression, just the idea of travelling to see someone is a lot. Also the travel money, I'm not working anymore. Plus I think it's pointless - if no med works, what can they do? They can't stop me wanting to die all day and enjoying nothing.
 
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I'm so tired with depression, just the idea of travelling to see someone is a lot. Also the travel money, I'm not working anymore.

I hear you and sympathize with you. Are these obstacle insurmountable, though? Might it be worth the effort? Only you know the answer to that, of course.

Plus I think it's pointless - if no med works, what can they do? They can't stop me wanting to die all day and enjoying nothing.

Well, have you tried it? For many people, it's a relief just to speak openly and unconditionally to someone. I'm not saying that it automatically is going to work for you, but it might. It's perhaps worth a shot.
 
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I've seen an entire variety of psychiatrists, psychologists, counselors, therapists with social work backgrounds, tried probably 80+ percent of the medications available out there over a lifetime, nothing ever worked. None of them helped.

All of their confidence in their so called good therapies and techniques, failed every single time. And this was before I became bitter about it or frustrated.

Many times over many years it was when I still believed that they could possibly help me and I had a very positive and willing cooperative attitude. I was sincere in my efforts to truly try all of their advice, for years.

I have severe PTSD, With add on diagnoses like anxiety and depression, of course. there's nothing wrong with referencing PTSD to explain to others what I have, or what you have, he or she has, after all that's what language is for. But for me, explaining that I've been diagnosed with PTSD throughout my lifetime, I wish I could just say instead that I've been through a whole lot of damaging violence and I'm very tired inside, and it's hard to navigate when I have to smile at everyone Even though I'm exhausted and just want to relax safely at home. That I'm not a man and I feel safer when I'm around an alpha male boyfriend that wants to protect me and care for me. I don't think that's a disorder, I think that's just reality. It's Natural.

I've experienced way too much violence, injuries, being kidnapped/held hostage by my stalker ex, you name it and I've been through almost everything but a war. At least officially.

All I've come to learn is that at least for many people including myself, they get you all excited about their ideas of treatment, take a bunch of payments, and at the end of the day, they are just human beings and think they might have an answer...

None of them do.

people brainwash all of us in society and make us think that "Ohhh...these are the doctors, these are the experts, specialists, they can help yooouuuu"...bullsh*t.

They're just other humans (with unrealistic egos) and frankly I have a bachelors degree myself in psychology from long ago Before I learned that it's just a subjective science and they change some details every year! One year they told everybody / university students (including me with good grades) this or that, then in another year they realized that they were actually wrong/incorrect, and then they change it again in the DSM. It's just all so ridiculous. For example, homosexuality used to be considered a mental disorder, then it changed slowly to "it's okay now orientation",...
personally I am all for whatever someone wants to do with whoever they love as long as they're over 18 and it is with consent from both. Be as bi, gay, lesbian as you want... I've known plenty of them and they are wonderful people. Good people. Smart people. Beautiful people.

But my point about psychology field of "science" is they basically said that being gay is a disorder, which was really rude.

Now it's taken out of their little diagnostic book. If you look back a Few decades ago, including a medical book that was published by doctors in the 70s, they literally said that women are not "normal" people. I'm not kidding.

Every few years, or even every year or so, they do more than just revise it, they start creating New disorders.

Now every feeling you have is basically a disorder.

Every thought you have that doesn't match theirs must be a disorder.

Or if you're not happy you must have a disorder, because life is so great.


Never mind that you've been abandoned, or traumatized, or people treat you like crap, you should just be like a smiling accepting robot and simply have no reaction right? Or that you should be over being raped within a day/1 week or it's a "disorder". Get "medication" (aka Legal drugs that mess with your brain that they are still trying to figure out/experiment with on people *patients*). Completely unrealistic.

Do you get upset or stressed? Do you feel overwhelmed? According to them, it must be a "disorder". Truly, they're the ones who are nuts.

There was even a psychology chapter title in a medical journal from the 70s written by doctors called "Are women really people?" (so laughing) So back then they were considered the experts that you should listen to, and now we know they were ridiculous. So in another 10 or 15 years from now, what will they look back on that exist now but in the future they will realize was absolutely ridiculous?

It's basically a wake up call.

You can even look it up yourself. They actually had to ask that question, and these were the so-called psychology doctors and experts. ("Are women people?") LMAO hilarious.

I efficiently use metacognition, awareness of my thoughts and patterns, etc. I've learned that the nervous system is very powerful, brain connections change after trauma, and it's all designed that way by nature to protect oneself from dangers. Once you've already seen that feeling safe/security in an unpredictable environment is an illusion and that you do need to be very careful of who you are around, you begin to understand that it's not a disorder...it's an adaptation.

What people need to understand is that humans have not yet invented a cure for PTSD, depression, anxiety in the nervous system, because it is from biological, physiological, and neurological changes, plus damage from the experiences in the environment.

Animals Out in the wild have developed an internal mechanism and system to shake off the negative energy, but even then, animals learn and get conditioned by their environment as well, that doesn't make them "crazy". Think of the graceful deer that gets easily spooked when you move suddenly… Does it have a disorder? Or has it just learned that predators often want to chase it and try to capture it, so it has adapted to its environment.

The deer's reaction of fear is purely a reflection of its environment and the corresponding experiences.

it's laughable now to look back and remember that a shrink said there was a chemical imbalance to be "treated" after my ex had violently attacked me, held me hostage at knife point for a couple of days, and when I was crying he said it's a chemical imbalance. This is from someone who commented that he wished they would bring back brain lobotomies and operate on/remove sections of people's brains when they get depressed. (horror show, no thanks)

Really? I said well who wouldn't be upset after all that violence? I asked him have you ever been kidnapped a knife point?
Do you know what it's like?
Do you know what it's like when someone you thought you could trust turned out to be a monster?
Am I supposed to be happy and smiling? Who the hell wouldn't be crying? Truly, I told him he was insane and he should quit his job.

People are not born depressed, something causes damage and creates it, it's a reaction to something toxic and damaging. It does not happen in a vacuum.

Truly, they're going to look back on this era and realize how barbaric it was to tell people to take pills to "cure/control/medicate" themselves when they're just reacting naturally to toxic experiences and damaging environments.

It shouldn't be considered a mental disorder if you get upset when someone's abusive to you for example.
Or if you get injured from a car accident and now you're afraid of being in traffic around tailgaters or road ragers. It's like, how is that "mental"? It's a reality.... these drivers are everywhere and you have to be extremely cautious to avoid injuries and accidents. There are a lot of cruel people out there, narcissistic, vindictive...it's a reality.
Another example, having anxiety about being around a bully doesn't mean that you have a "disorder", the bully is the one creating a toxic threat that causes natural stress.

So unless you have an organic brain problem that's physiological, or have major hallucinations like schizophrenia, everything else is not likely to be something that you just need "help" with, you're just reacting normally to bad experiences or a bad environment. You need more caring friends, not paying someone to talk to.

It's so backwards and ironic.

People that go around telling themselves everything is so great are the blind ones with a "mental disorder" if anything. But I digress…

They need to stop blaming the victims, as we are basically the symptoms of what's wrong in our environment. We are not the problem, the chaos and the damage caused by our environment is the problem. Change the environment, and that will help everyone. All they do is make excuses, Theories...that don't actually help any of us beyond a few we'll-intended minutes of illusion or a false hope.

And with shrinks, as soon as the money runs out, then suddenly they can't see you anymore and they don't care anymore.

To me it's just insulting and it's a total waste of my time and energy.

Plus I got really tired of hearing the same mundane questions "have you tried journaling? Have you tried deep breathing or meditation?" Give me a break already.

It was like "Yes, I've tried ALL of those things way back years ago." (eyes rolling, gee)

Total waste of effort and money thrown away.

Going out with friends was far more productive In alleviating my suffering temporarily, but at least for me, medications are just a way of trying to numb my suffering, no cure, no fix.
Nothing.

I respect you if you're trying to feel better, make your life better, and find some hope. I commend you for that and respect you.

Just consider other alternatives, support groups, religion, more friends, distracting movies, relaxing hobbies...whatever floats your boat. I just got tired of trying with the so-called professional help out there. It's also really annoying when you're smarter than your own shrink. LOL

If you still want to consider it, I would ask them very politely what their course of treatment would be, and ask them to give examples. If you don't like the answer, thank them and leave. I'm sure they'll tell you something like well first we need to have many visits, and then I could tell you what the treatment would be. But in truth, cognitive behavioral therapy is something you can look up online and apply to yourself on your own for free.

It's not a miracle cure, don't get too excited. I say that so you don't get your hopes up too much, but I do hope that you find something that brings you comfort and relief. Whatever that maybe.

Just a thought for you, hope it works out for you.
 
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purplemoon, I hear you and agree with almost all you say. I recognise your frustration with having plattitudes thrown at you from people who clearly are less intelligent than yourself. (In my case, councelling didn't work because I'm bipolar, but that's another story.) But...

First of all, it works differently in different countries. To be honest, I'm very happy that I don't live in the USA. In my country, you pay very little or nothing at all for psychiatric care. Generally speaking, people think that psychiatric care is doing a good job, or at least perform on accetable levels. People seldom use derogatory words like "shrink". It's by no means a perfect system, not even close, but it works alright. So, it's important to know where a person is from when discussing this topic.

Second, it does work for many people. It may not work for bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, or schizoaffective disorder, but it can work on other serious disorders such a borderline personality disorder, and it definitely often works on subclinical dysfunctions, or whatever you call them in English. It seems that several members of this forum are treatment-resistant, but most people aren't.

Third, if the problems are "practical" in nature, e.g. abusive parents or homelessness, it can be quite a relief to just speak to someone who listens. It doesn't solve anything, but it can ease the pressure and give you time to breathe and think. Sometimes, it's as simple as that.

There's one treatment you don't mention in your post: ECT. Did you simply not mention it, or haven't you tried it, or don't you want to?
 
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I think for me because I have had a lot of therapy, I am not sure any more talking would help. I have also reached the point where I'd prefer not to talk about my childhood again with anyone.

I personally find calling the Samaritans helpful, as it helps calm me for someone to hear how suicidal I'm feeling. I love the Samaritans as I call them once a day, when things are most bad. So that is the talking that helps me ...

I also find that lots of people want your money, but really for me, none of that stuff has helped.

I have two new medications on order to try...that is a better use of money for me. The few days/weeks I have ever felt better have been thanks to medication/herbal. I just haven't found anything that works for more than a week or two.

Weirdly, I did have one spiritual healing session for £120 (!!!!!) Which made me feel better for two weeks. Then my suicidal thoughts came back. I went for a second session and it did nothing for me. There's a mystery. But everything else...thanks to medication.
Some people think I'm Bipolar, but I don't have any highs and I don't think I am.
And the one psych I saw also didn't think I am.
This, completely.
£800 seems a huge amount to accept for something I don't think will work
 
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Some people think I'm Bipolar, but I don't have any highs and I don't think I am.

That you haven't had any highs doesn't mean that you're not bipolar. If you are young and/or haven't been depressed for many years, you might still be bipolar. The first episode is usually a depressive one, and then there's no history of mania/hypomania. If you are bipolar you probably have bipolar disorder II and the the ratio between hypomania and depression can be as extreme as 1:40. I'm not saying that you necessarily must be bipolar, but the fact that psychotherapy seems to have no effect on you, but medicines do is a bit suspicious.

£800 seems a huge amount to accept for something I don't think will work

Surely, you must be joking. f0_o What happened to good, old NHS?
 
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That you haven't had any highs doesn't mean that you're not bipolar. If you are young and/or haven't been depressed for many years, you might still be bipolar. The first episode is usually a depressive one, and then there's no history of mania/hypomania. If you are bipolar you probably have bipolar disorder II and the the ratio between hypomania and depression can be as extreme as 1:40. I'm not saying that you necessarily must be bipolar, but the fact that psychotherapy seems to have no effect on you, but medicines do is a bit suspicious.
Hi. I am diagnosed with bipolar. I started out with depressive episodes in my early teens.
 
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Hi. I am diagnosed with bipolar. I started out with depressive episodes in my early teens.

I was older, around 32. The signs were there all the time, though. I'm actually writing on a book about bipolar disorder (I'm an author on the side) and I'd like to your hear your thougths, if you don't mind sharing. If you're game, I'll contact you later on. Unfortunately, you won't be able to read the script, because it's not in English.
 
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I'm 42. I thikn the reason people thought I was Bipolar is I was self medicating with weed and LSD for depression - which made it look like I was manic, but actually I was high. I am not sure I am Bipolar, because I think if I was, I'd have been hospitalised by now - and while I have suicidal thoughts all day every day, I have not attempted as yet or been hospitalised. My desire to CTB grows on me, as I have not found anything that improves my quality of life.

My friend's dad is Bipolar and keeps begging me to try Lithium, as it really helped him. But I have tried Vortioxetine and Lyrica mainly (and Moclobemide) so think I should try Prozac/Zoloft first maybe, though I am scared of side effects. I was lucky wiht the Voritixioextine - it didn't help, but I had no side effects. Zoloft sends my anxiety sky high - I tried it for a week - so will need to be very brave to try it again!
Ps the Weed and LSD don't help me anymore.

I had all my happpiest times on weed - it helped me connect with people, dress better, laugh a bit. Now it doesn't work.
 
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I was older, around 32. The signs were there all the time, though. I'm actually writing on a book about bipolar disorder (I'm an author on the side) and I'd like to your hear your thougths, if you don't mind sharing. If you're game, I'll contact you later on. Unfortunately, you won't be able to read the script, because it's not in English.
I think I remember you mentioning that in a thread I started about manic episodes. I am interested, is there some way to translate?
 
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That you haven't had any highs doesn't mean that you're not bipolar. If you are young and/or haven't been depressed for many years, you might still be bipolar. The first episode is usually a depressive one, and then there's no history of mania/hypomania. If you are bipolar you probably have bipolar disorder II and the the ratio between hypomania and depression can be as extreme as 1:40. I'm not saying that you necessarily must be bipolar, but the fact that psychotherapy seems to have no effect on you, but medicines do is a bit suspicious.

I will keep it in mind - I just don't think I have ever had the highs.


Surely, you must be joking. f0_o What happened to good, old NHS?

That's a private psychologist that my friend who works in the field rates - I think it's £800 for 10 sessions. I mean if I thought it was going to help, it would be worth it, but if it was my money, I may as well go to Mexico and spend it on cocaine (funny story here: https://www.popdust.com/suicidal-gu...will-to-live-after-coke-fuele-1890131721.html
 
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I think I remember you mentioning that in a thread I started about manic episodes. I am interested, is there some way to translate?

Well, I guess Google Translate can be used. It's so-so and you have to do some guessing when you read the translated text, though.
 
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Well, I guess Google Translate can be used. It's so-so and you have to do some guessing when you read the translated text, though.
That's ok. I would be more than happy :smiling:
 
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I'm 42. I thikn the reason people thought I was Bipolar is I was self medicating with weed and LSD for depression - which made it look like I was manic, but actually I was high.

Some drugs, mainly stimulants and hallucinogens, can actually put you in a state that is very similar to mania, but it's temporary, which you already have noticed.

I am not sure I am Bipolar, because I think if I was, I'd have been hospitalised by now - and while I have suicidal thoughts all day every day, I have not attempted as yet or been hospitalised. My desire to CTB grows on me, as I have not found anything that improves my quality of life.

You wouldn't necessarily have been hospitalised. People suffering from bipolar I are often hospitalised when they have manic episodes, but people suffering from bipolar II seldom get hospitalised and only when they are desperately suicidal when they have depressive episodes.

Does your depression get worse during periods or is it the same all the time? I think you would know if you had depressive episodes, though. Bipolar depressions are very painful. If suicide rates can be used as a measure, they are three times more painful than major depressive disorder and the worst you can experience.

My friend's dad is Bipolar and keeps begging me to try Lithium, as it really helped him.

I would strongly suggest that you don't use lithium without a prescription from a psychiatrist. The therapeutic window is very small and it can take a long time for it to start working.

But I have tried Vortioxetine and Lyrica mainly (and Moclobemide) so think I should try Prozac/Zoloft first maybe, though I am scared of side effects. I was lucky wiht the Voritixioextine - it didn't help, but I had no side effects. Zoloft sends my anxiety sky high - I tried it for a week - so will need to be very brave to try it again!

If you're bipolar, antidepressants will have no, little, or adverse effects. However, when you start taking an SSRI, you have to go through a "suicide week". I went through such a week myself, and the only reason I didn't kill myself was that I didn't have the energy.

Ps the Weed and LSD don't help me anymore.

I had all my happpiest times on weed - it helped me connect with people, dress better, laugh a bit. Now it doesn't work.

It's very common for bipolar people to abuse drugs. I don't know if you'r bipolar, but if you aren't, I'll make you an honorary member of our little club.
 
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purplemoon, I hear you and agree with almost all you say. I recognise your frustration with having plattitudes thrown at you from people who clearly are less intelligent than yourself. (In my case, councelling didn't work because I'm bipolar, but that's another story.) But...

First of all, it works differently in different countries. To be honest, I'm very happy that I don't live in the USA. In my country, you pay very little or nothing at all for psychiatric care. Generally speaking, people think that psychiatric care is doing a good job, or at least perform on accetable levels. People seldom use derogatory words like "shrink". It's by no means a perfect system, not even close, but it works alright. So, it's important to know where a person is from when discussing this topic.

Second, it does work for many people. It may not work for bipolar disorder, schizophrenia, or schizoaffective disorder, but it can work on other serious disorders such a borderline personality disorder, and it definitely often works on subclinical dysfunctions, or whatever you call them in English. It seems that several members of this forum are treatment-resistant, but most people aren't.

Third, if the problems are "practical" in nature, e.g. abusive parents or homelessness, it can be quite a relief to just speak to someone who listens. It doesn't solve anything, but it can ease the pressure and give you time to breathe and think. Sometimes, it's as simple as that.

There's one treatment you don't mention in your post: ECT. Did you simply not mention it, or haven't you tried it, or don't you want to?

I'm happy for you that you're in a country that has better quality and more affordable and accessible medical care. The United States is an interesting financial landscape in comparison.

Unfortunately America's where I am apparently going to stay, as all of the countries that I would like to move to like Germany, Sweden, Finland, expect people to be around their early to mid 20s, Rich, or other very difficult hurtles for me to get citizenship in, And I don't want to risk being eventually deported homeless back to America or they would dump me in New York, one of the worst places for me with crowds and lots of crime.

I appreciate your thought sharing and glad that it's working for you very well.
 
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Unfortunately America's where I am apparently going to stay, as all of the countries that I would like to move to like Germany, Sweden, Finland, expect people to be around their early to mid 20s, Rich, or other very difficult hurtles for me to get citizenship in, And I don't want to risk being eventually deported homeless back to America or they would dump me in New York, one of the worst places for me with crowds and lots of crime.

I happen to be from Scandinavia. We can get married and your problem will be solved. :P But seriously, the countries you are talking about have received a massive amount of refugees from the Middle East in recent years. As soon as things calm down, the prerequisites for citizenship will probably become less strict again..
 
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@purplemoon I concur with your points and yes, it's horrible that the pseudo science actually considered women to be mentally ill and irrational (or not people). I think not only is that overgeneralizing and oversweeping, it is also grossly sexist. I don't know what they have to back up such an outlandish claim, but even as a man, I think it's ridiculous and callous to label an entire gender (mind you, over half the world's population) as "not people." In the end, I believe that psychiatry is really the state's and society's way of imposing social order and control over the masses.

Furthermore, even questioning the industry, the practice, the system itself is even considered an illness or disorder. It's sad that in a "supposedly" democratic and free society, we have government and society weaponizing and entire field (rather cult) to control people and to brainwash people to comply or face consequences (including being detained and locked up against your will - without even having committed a real crime).
 
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@purplemoon I concur with your points and yes, it's horrible that the pseudo science actually considered women to be mentally ill and irrational (or not people). I think not only is that overgeneralizing and oversweeping, it is also grossly sexist. I don't know what they have to back up such an outlandish claim, but even as a man, I think it's ridiculous and callous to label an entire gender (mind you, over half the world's population) as "not people." In the end, I believe that psychiatry is really the state's and society's way of imposing social order and control over the masses.

Furthermore, even questioning the industry, the practice, the system itself is even considered an illness or disorder. It's sad that in a "supposedly" democratic and free society, we have government and society weaponizing and entire field (rather cult) to control people and to brainwash people to comply or face consequences (including being detained and locked up against your will - without even having committed a real crime).

Exactly...You are absolutely spot on with everything you mentioned.

If only more people were awake like you, especially with the invisible gun to their head via threat of forced 'help' and suppression of natural reactions to a toxic, damaging environment.

Stay smart!
 
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Sensei

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In the end, I believe that psychiatry is really the state's and society's way of imposing social order and control over the masses.

Almost everything is. The education system is another example. That, however, doesn't mean that there can't be caring, honest, and non-comformist people working in these institutions.
 
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JoeFailure

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Therapists can definitely help...but it's gotta be the right one. That's the tough part about it. I went through 7 different ones before I found this one and she's amazing. Don't judge them either, I almost did cuz this one is really young, like 25 years old, but she's super smart and we have real conversations.

I needed one that was real with me. When I told her about getting molested when I was 12...she was like "dude that fucking sucks and that bitch should die". She's helping with stuff but also just acknowledges when life is just complete unfair bullshit.

So I don't think there's a blanket answer for this. Most people who say it can work have probably found the right fit and people who say it doesn't probably haven't. Or even if they did, therapy just wasn't for them.

I definitely think it's worth trying because having a good fit made all the difference for me.
 
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brainpain2

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Sep 16, 2019
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Well at $200 an hour where I live I've tried them and fucking hate it. That's because all they do is try to shove fucking mindfulness and meditation crap down my throat I can find on YouTube anyways no matter how many times I am adamant it increases my anxiety and I hate it.
 
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