Question about CO (GULPS/COGEN) (PPH)

[atre]

I'm not good with my hands and struggle quite a bit with overly technical methods (such as nitrogen/hellium method and GULPS method). But I realized if I ignore the water bath part completely, it is doable even for me. The acidic fume (because of the volatility of either sulfuric acid or formic acid im not sure) contamination is not intense enough I presume? I'm aware that doing the method this way will cause me greater pain before unconciousness. My question is if the water bath solely exists to grant comfort, and not actually detrimental to the success of the CO generator.

• Even if the acid fume contamination causes pain (corrosive), am I correct to assume that the unconciousness will nevertheless arrive quickly, considering that you are essentially breathing in %98-99 pure CO through the mask.
• Also, sorry for the slightly unrelated question, but why do CO detectors that measure up to 5000-10000ppm are absurdly costly (they cost like 2000$ here in the country I live in).

 

[atre]

Self bump

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

A way to test how much co is produced is to make a tube or hose go into a plastic bag. the co will inlfate the plastic bag. i guess if one can fill up several large plastic bags of co . then put them in with you into a tent or a small shed or vehicle. then once inside you hold your breath then cut the bags with a sharp razor or very sharp knife . the co would release into the small cabin resulting in very high co levels. so even if there are acid fumes once you inhale you will go unconscious so any pain from the acid fumes or symptoms from co would only last a few seconds or could be 1 second and then unconsciousness. of course one has be very careful and have thick garbage bags with no leaks. this can be tested with helium for balloons to inflate and cut the bags. if co level is over 2% imo immediate unconsciousness. the volume of a small cabin can be reduced by other bags with just air in them .

Formic acid+sulphuric acid method

Killer ! HCO2H+H2SO4=CO SETUP A new day, new bets, new luck. These are the items I'll use, after yesterday's successful test, as my Portable Exit One Teleport Engine (PEOTE). With a setup this large, the portability is of course limited... please do read my yesterday's post, and the ones before...

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@Intoxicated @Artemisia

 

[Intoxicated]

Have you ever smelled 70% acetic (vinegar) acid? Even a single tiny drop of it inside an unventilated room is enough for producing perceivable unpleasant odor several meters away. If you try to smell it closely, you figure out what "a strong irritant" means. Acetic acid and formic acid are carboxylic acids that have somewhat similar properties.

Formic acid is even more volatile and more corrosive than acetic acid. At concentrations as high as 85-96% (which are recommended for producing CO), it's likely to be more irritating than 70% acetic acid. I saw a video on Youtube where some man did experiments with 85% formic acid, and he said that it has a hellish pungent odor comparable to ammonia's.

Having said that, it's difficult for me to see valuable advantages of using this method without filtering out fumes of formic acid over H2S poisoning, for example. Inhaling HCOOH would probably be way more unpleasant than inhaling H2S which causes unconsciousness and death nearly as fast as CO and is easy to produce by mixing dilute H2SO4 with Na2S or FeS.

 

[atre]

A way to test how much co is produced is to make a tube or hose go into a plastic bag. the co will inlfate the plastic bag. i guess if one can fill up several large plastic bags of co . then put them in with you into a tent or a small shed or vehicle. then once inside you hold your breath then cut the bags with a sharp razor or very sharp knife . the co would release into the small cabin resulting in very high co levels. so even if there are acid fumes once you inhale you will go unconscious so any pain from the acid fumes or symptoms from co would only last a few seconds or could be 1 second and then unconsciousness. of course one has be very careful and have thick garbage bags with no leaks. this can be tested with helium for balloons to inflate and cut the bags. if co level is over 2% imo immediate unconsciousness. the volume of a small cabin can be reduced by other bags with just air in them .

Formic acid+sulphuric acid method

Killer ! HCO2H+H2SO4=CO SETUP A new day, new bets, new luck. These are the items I'll use, after yesterday's successful test, as my Portable Exit One Teleport Engine (PEOTE). With a setup this large, the portability is of course limited... please do read my yesterday's post, and the ones before...

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@Intoxicated @Artemisia

Thanks for the insight, If I ever choose this method, I think I can endure the unpleasant pungent odor and feeling of the acid fumes, because you will feel it for 1-1.5 minute at most if you don't mess up the technique. By messing up, I mean inhaling air with less than 1% CO concentration, just like the concentration you mentioned. 1-2% CO equals to 10.000-20.000 PPM if I'm not mistaken. A capable (and unfortunately expensive) CO measuring device is really helpful. I'll also check the resource thread.

Have you ever smelled 70% acetic (vinegar) acid? Even a single tiny drop of it inside an unventilated room is enough for producing perceivable unpleasant odor several meters away. If you try to smell it closely, you figure out what "a strong irritant" means.

I heard that household vinegars have acetic acid in them ranging from 5% to 10%. If that is actually correct, yeah your explanation gives me a rough idea on how terrible a 70% version of that would be like. If I ever choose CO by acids, I can either endure the feeling because in an ideal attempt the sensation would only last 1 minute at most (If one succesfully connects the jar containing the acids to the medical oxygen mask like the one in the pic, they will basically inhale something close to 100% CO right?). OR I can learn the mechanism behind "the washing chamber". As of right now the only resources I found on that is some low resolution pics and instructions not clear enough for me to understand the mechanism. Of course I don't expect someone to upload a detailed video on making a suicide machine at youtube , but the washing chamber genuinely looks complicated enough for me to drop the method altogether and do a classic "detergent suicide /H2S poisoning instead, in a tiny tent maybe. I'm leaning towards H2S suggestion too, because on top of what you said, there is even a second advantage to H2S when it comes to practicality. Producing 1000-2000 ppm of H2S sounds (at least theoretically, idk) a lot easier than producing 10.000-20.000 PPM of CO.

 

[Intoxicated]

If you want to experiment with mixing formic acid and concentrated sulfuric acid, I'd advise to try sodium formate + concentrated sulfuric acid too. Maybe pouring H2SO4 on HCOONa crystals could produce much less acidic fumes.

 

[LastLight]

Can I ask which book does GULPS came from? Is it from PPeH? I read about COGen in PPeH April 2022 but can't find any information of GULPS. Is it in newer version?

 

[atre]

Can I ask which book does GULPS came from? Is it from PPeH? I read about COGen in PPeH April 2022 but can't find any information of GULPS. Is it in newer version?

I first saw it from PPH 2006 version. Cannot remember the name of the website but if you search peacefull pill handbook, the site should be in the first page of google. It is a website which hosts archived versions of all types of written works/literature.

 

[LastLight]

Thank you so much. With this method, at least I don't have to breath in acid fume when the time come.