Method Request suicide kits from enemy governments? (WORLD PEACE thru suicide)

[escape_from_hell]

Instead of begging our own governments to do the correct and adult thing, maybe we should be looking to our alleged enemies for euthanasia help?

There are many countries at war at almost all times throughout all human history. Scores are killed in single actions within minutes or even seconds in pointless battles over mere centimeters of blood, shit, piss, and guts-covered bombed-out terrain. Nobody cares, actually, because it's just so common and seems far removed from the daily life of many citizens. Occasionally, humans go to movie theaters to cry watching rich famous people pretend to suffer like us peons that have participated in such ludicrous conflicts have.

But there's a better way. For example., Russia and the United States (and most of Europe) are in conflict by proxy in Ukraine right now.
What if Russian citizens could send requests to US Diplomats for highly effective suicide kits, and vice versa, EU and USA citizens could ask Russian government officials for such kits?

That way, warring countries can get official "kills" without having to sacrifice their prime neurotypical workhouse youths in pointless battles. It's a win-win.

Some points to address very foreseeable questions:

• If the kits turned out to be torturous poisons that maim or very slowly and excruciatingly kill, this will be widely known soon and thus is counterproductive for the government trying to score the higher kill count.
• Many will say this makes no sense, that war is all about controlling territories and battling for supremacy through military force. However, that military force is not purely represented by a prime fighter on the battlefield. Entire industries and economies must support the war effort. That includes the back-of-house munitions factories, food production, and all that. What about depressed suicidal people being less productive? Many here WISH they could be neets, but few are. Economic conditions are such that many people are forced into a competitive labor market to PAY TAXES. Even neets pay countless taxes: sales tax, vehicle registration, credit card fees that go to big corporations that in turn are paid in at a lower tax rate, property taxes, tolls, fees, so on and so forth. The tax system is not one-size fits all fair flat tax or something, it hits the citizen at every conceivable juncture of activity. Future taxes may be levied, such as breathing and pooping taxes, and normalized thru culture. Thus EVERY citizen is a valid enemy target, or else we would not need militaries for "defense" in the first place, and enemy infrastructure would never be damaged due to humanitarian concerns.
• It will likely be exponentially cheaper to get 1 kill per unit of currency. Versus putting armor, artillery, troops, drones, and ammunition expended on the battlefield.
• Remember, war is ultimately about killing the enemy. Violence is considered a last resort when diplomacy fails. Militaries exist for "defense" in the modern era. While some cultures in the past only targeted men and appropriated the women and children as spoils, it is easy to imagine that complete annihilation was just as common, though frowned upon in modern days for public relations purposes. Modern governments have turned the people into highly efficient work and tax-harvestable livestock, investing in things like schools that enculturate children to be workers. Thus every kill counts and your life IS valuable like the pro-lifers say, at least symbolically.
• As an added bonus, making such a request could be considered treason, which is punishable by death. Our own governments may start their own mass euthanasia programs to punish, disincentivize (laughable, I know), or even out-compete the enemy suicide kit efforts. How glorious would it be to just have a drone come wipe your ass out because you are a "terrorist" without much more effort than shooting an email to the enemy government. Plus, the gestapo/stasi/"homeland security" can pat themselves on the back, so you are making fellow citizens happy, productive achievers.
• We could spare the world the barbaric and destructive practice of conventional warfare. No more infrastructure and pristine ecosystems pointlessly ruined.
• The high quality fighting force can be spared to go back to productive economic pursuits, being net-positive taxpayers, and sexual reproduction to produce the next and healthier generation of serfs for their governments. As it stands now many of us veterans are broken citizens after the fact, soaking up space and resources and annoyingly demanding help at veterans hospitals and benefits claims. The depressed and dysgenic suicidal population that never even went to war to begin with is often spared, and their existence inspires those backward and creative tax schemes discussed above to get more out of them when they are inherently not as productive.
• Civil conflicts can be transformed into productive, positive diplomatic events. WORLD PEACE is possible! The countries with the highest suicide rates are the official losers and make concessions, due to the fact that their country has proven to have a culture that is more miserable and inhumane than the other country! Thus, more humane and superior cultural practices can be adopted. Also, the weak and pathetic suicidal caste are discarded without horrific eugenics programs, resulting in a robust, healthy population.

Let's end war and bring peace to the planet, a better tomorrow, through offering ourselves!

 

[waterworks]

That way, warring countries can get official "kills" without having to sacrifice their prime neurotypical workhouse youths in pointless battles. It's a win-win.

Interesting take, but the point of war is not the kill count. At least, not in modern warfare that is not inspired by religious vendettas or racism.

Thus EVERY citizen is a valid enemy target, or else we would not need militaries for "defense" in the first place, and enemy infrastructure would never be damaged due to humanitarian concerns

As you mentioned, there's more to military force than boots on the ground. But the value of a citizen in this scenario is only in as far as they are capable of directly influencing the effort. In that case, not every citizen is a valid target, only those necessary for the military effort. The problem with viewing the value of a citizen through their tax contributions, is that the money they give to the government, was taken from the government in the first place. If the government were one unanimous centralized body, they don't need the average citizen for anything because they have the authority to take money directly from the average citizen with or without their consent. The private industry only thrives in so long as it makes valuable contributions to the central government; if it becomes a liability then capitalism falls apart, which means inevitably everything shifts to a communist system; then they don't need citizens to have a functioning economy, as weird as that sounds. So, the only people suffering in this scenario is the average citizen, because government workers, who would really be the only employed people at this point and actually valuable for the war effort, would be taken care of.

It will likely be exponentially cheaper to get 1 kill per unit of currency. Versus putting armor, artillery, troops, drones, and ammunition expended on the battlefield.

That's only if the kill would have influenced the course of warfare. In which case only the military or people related to the war effort would be of value. Which just takes us back to the reason the war is taking place.

Thus every kill counts and your life IS valuable like the pro-lifers say, at least symbolically

Going back a bit, the only times that I know of where annihilation was valued over assimilation, is when war efforts were either influenced by religion or racial bigotry. In which case, any member of a particular group would be targeted. Where as wars that valued territorial conquest, placed emphasis on assimilation rather than destruction. Meaning, it was more important to convert an enemy to your cause than kill them. Putting in mind logistics, it was impossible for armies to hold large territories and still expand, which is the case with modern conflict. The war Ukraine is about territory, and to control territory, you need as many soldiers as you can get, but you're only valuable in as much as you can be assimilated and contribute otherwise no one truly cares if you die. This is why both Russian and Ukraine forces heavily value propaganda and assimilation.

As an added bonus, making such a request could be considered treason, which is punishable by death. Our own governments may start their own mass euthanasia programs to punish, disincentivize (laughable, I know), or even out-compete the enemy suicide kit efforts

There is also the likely hood that rather than kill you, they would scoop you away to off-the-books research facilities to act as guinea pigs. Though I doubt even close to as many people as would make a difference would be willing to be executed by the government. Suppose there were even a million. There would be no way for them to prosecute 100,000s of their citizens using the conventional justice system (which would already be backed up) and give each one a fair trial. Which means they would find more, feasible ways to handle these. Either through speedy trials that would mean a lot of people would be dying unfairly, or street justice. Basically the advent of chaos.

We could spare the world the barbaric and destructive practice of conventional warfare. No more infrastructure and pristine ecosystems pointlessly ruined... Civil conflicts can be transformed into productive, positive diplomatic events. WORLD PEACE is possible!

Pragmatically, I think this would make everything so much worse, and ruin so many more lives than just having a conventional war.

 

[virtualdreamplaza]

This is genius lmao
The question is how this idea becomes a reality tho, because I'm sure many many will have problems with it unfortunately, but I wish it could've been reality!

 

[JustA_LittlePerson]

Way too out there lol. One can only hope...

 

[sugarb]

Instead of begging our own governments to do the correct and adult thing, maybe we should be looking to our alleged enemies for euthanasia help?

There are many countries at war at almost all times throughout all human history. Scores are killed in single actions within minutes or even seconds in pointless battles over mere centimeters of blood, shit, piss, and guts-covered bombed-out terrain. Nobody cares, actually, because it's just so common and seems far removed from the daily life of many citizens. Occasionally, humans go to movie theaters to cry watching rich famous people pretend to suffer like us peons that have participated in such ludicrous conflicts have.

But there's a better way. For example., Russia and the United States (and most of Europe) are in conflict by proxy in Ukraine right now.
What if Russian citizens could send requests to US Diplomats for highly effective suicide kits, and vice versa, EU and USA citizens could ask Russian government officials for such kits?

That way, warring countries can get official "kills" without having to sacrifice their prime neurotypical workhouse youths in pointless battles. It's a win-win.

Some points to address very foreseeable questions:

• If the kits turned out to be torturous poisons that maim or very slowly and excruciatingly kill, this will be widely known soon and thus is counterproductive for the government trying to score the higher kill count.
• Many will say this makes no sense, that war is all about controlling territories and battling for supremacy through military force. However, that military force is not purely represented by a prime fighter on the battlefield. Entire industries and economies must support the war effort. That includes the back-of-house munitions factories, food production, and all that. What about depressed suicidal people being less productive? Many here WISH they could be neets, but few are. Economic conditions are such that many people are forced into a competitive labor market to PAY TAXES. Even neets pay countless taxes: sales tax, vehicle registration, credit card fees that go to big corporations that in turn are paid in at a lower tax rate, property taxes, tolls, fees, so on and so forth. The tax system is not one-size fits all fair flat tax or something, it hits the citizen at every conceivable juncture of activity. Future taxes may be levied, such as breathing and pooping taxes, and normalized thru culture. Thus EVERY citizen is a valid enemy target, or else we would not need militaries for "defense" in the first place, and enemy infrastructure would never be damaged due to humanitarian concerns.
• It will likely be exponentially cheaper to get 1 kill per unit of currency. Versus putting armor, artillery, troops, drones, and ammunition expended on the battlefield.
• Remember, war is ultimately about killing the enemy. Violence is considered a last resort when diplomacy fails. Militaries exist for "defense" in the modern era. While some cultures in the past only targeted men and appropriated the women and children as spoils, it is easy to imagine that complete annihilation was just as common, though frowned upon in modern days for public relations purposes. Modern governments have turned the people into highly efficient work and tax-harvestable livestock, investing in things like schools that enculturate children to be workers. Thus every kill counts and your life IS valuable like the pro-lifers say, at least symbolically.
• As an added bonus, making such a request could be considered treason, which is punishable by death. Our own governments may start their own mass euthanasia programs to punish, disincentivize (laughable, I know), or even out-compete the enemy suicide kit efforts. How glorious would it be to just have a drone come wipe your ass out because you are a "terrorist" without much more effort than shooting an email to the enemy government. Plus, the gestapo/stasi/"homeland security" can pat themselves on the back, so you are making fellow citizens happy, productive achievers.
• We could spare the world the barbaric and destructive practice of conventional warfare. No more infrastructure and pristine ecosystems pointlessly ruined.
• The high quality fighting force can be spared to go back to productive economic pursuits, being net-positive taxpayers, and sexual reproduction to produce the next and healthier generation of serfs for their governments. As it stands now many of us veterans are broken citizens after the fact, soaking up space and resources and annoyingly demanding help at veterans hospitals and benefits claims. The depressed and dysgenic suicidal population that never even went to war to begin with is often spared, and their existence inspires those backward and creative tax schemes discussed above to get more out of them when they are inherently not as productive.
• Civil conflicts can be transformed into productive, positive diplomatic events. WORLD PEACE is possible! The countries with the highest suicide rates are the official losers and make concessions, due to the fact that their country has proven to have a culture that is more miserable and inhumane than the other country! Thus, more humane and superior cultural practices can be adopted. Also, the weak and pathetic suicidal caste are discarded without horrific eugenics programs, resulting in a robust, healthy population.

Let's end war and bring peace to the planet, a better tomorrow, through offering ourselves!

The kits would probably just be embargoed or otherwise prevented from reaching the recipients like any other illegal/harmful package imported from overseas. I imagine customs wouldn't let any of them through since they'd likely contain dangerous materials even before a law about this got passed

 

[qualityOV3Rquantity]

Just emailed the local North Korean embassy, hope Kim Jong-un is feeling generous.

 

[PetrichorBirth]

Instead of begging our own governments to do the correct and adult thing, maybe we should be looking to our alleged enemies for euthanasia help?

There are many countries at war at almost all times throughout all human history. Scores are killed in single actions within minutes or even seconds in pointless battles over mere centimeters of blood, shit, piss, and guts-covered bombed-out terrain. Nobody cares, actually, because it's just so common and seems far removed from the daily life of many citizens. Occasionally, humans go to movie theaters to cry watching rich famous people pretend to suffer like us peons that have participated in such ludicrous conflicts have.

But there's a better way. For example., Russia and the United States (and most of Europe) are in conflict by proxy in Ukraine right now.
What if Russian citizens could send requests to US Diplomats for highly effective suicide kits, and vice versa, EU and USA citizens could ask Russian government officials for such kits?

That way, warring countries can get official "kills" without having to sacrifice their prime neurotypical workhouse youths in pointless battles. It's a win-win.

Some points to address very foreseeable questions:

• If the kits turned out to be torturous poisons that maim or very slowly and excruciatingly kill, this will be widely known soon and thus is counterproductive for the government trying to score the higher kill count.
• Many will say this makes no sense, that war is all about controlling territories and battling for supremacy through military force. However, that military force is not purely represented by a prime fighter on the battlefield. Entire industries and economies must support the war effort. That includes the back-of-house munitions factories, food production, and all that. What about depressed suicidal people being less productive? Many here WISH they could be neets, but few are. Economic conditions are such that many people are forced into a competitive labor market to PAY TAXES. Even neets pay countless taxes: sales tax, vehicle registration, credit card fees that go to big corporations that in turn are paid in at a lower tax rate, property taxes, tolls, fees, so on and so forth. The tax system is not one-size fits all fair flat tax or something, it hits the citizen at every conceivable juncture of activity. Future taxes may be levied, such as breathing and pooping taxes, and normalized thru culture. Thus EVERY citizen is a valid enemy target, or else we would not need militaries for "defense" in the first place, and enemy infrastructure would never be damaged due to humanitarian concerns.
• It will likely be exponentially cheaper to get 1 kill per unit of currency. Versus putting armor, artillery, troops, drones, and ammunition expended on the battlefield.
• Remember, war is ultimately about killing the enemy. Violence is considered a last resort when diplomacy fails. Militaries exist for "defense" in the modern era. While some cultures in the past only targeted men and appropriated the women and children as spoils, it is easy to imagine that complete annihilation was just as common, though frowned upon in modern days for public relations purposes. Modern governments have turned the people into highly efficient work and tax-harvestable livestock, investing in things like schools that enculturate children to be workers. Thus every kill counts and your life IS valuable like the pro-lifers say, at least symbolically.
• As an added bonus, making such a request could be considered treason, which is punishable by death. Our own governments may start their own mass euthanasia programs to punish, disincentivize (laughable, I know), or even out-compete the enemy suicide kit efforts. How glorious would it be to just have a drone come wipe your ass out because you are a "terrorist" without much more effort than shooting an email to the enemy government. Plus, the gestapo/stasi/"homeland security" can pat themselves on the back, so you are making fellow citizens happy, productive achievers.
• We could spare the world the barbaric and destructive practice of conventional warfare. No more infrastructure and pristine ecosystems pointlessly ruined.
• The high quality fighting force can be spared to go back to productive economic pursuits, being net-positive taxpayers, and sexual reproduction to produce the next and healthier generation of serfs for their governments. As it stands now many of us veterans are broken citizens after the fact, soaking up space and resources and annoyingly demanding help at veterans hospitals and benefits claims. The depressed and dysgenic suicidal population that never even went to war to begin with is often spared, and their existence inspires those backward and creative tax schemes discussed above to get more out of them when they are inherently not as productive.
• Civil conflicts can be transformed into productive, positive diplomatic events. WORLD PEACE is possible! The countries with the highest suicide rates are the official losers and make concessions, due to the fact that their country has proven to have a culture that is more miserable and inhumane than the other country! Thus, more humane and superior cultural practices can be adopted. Also, the weak and pathetic suicidal caste are discarded without horrific eugenics programs, resulting in a robust, healthy population.

Let's end war and bring peace to the planet, a better tomorrow, through offering ourselves!

Enemy governments are mostly not looking to kill civillians. A far more effective way for you would be to join an armed conflict, then the enemy has a reason to kill you

 

[untothedepths]

god i wish. heck, i would totally be open for my own home country to send me a kit since im worth about as much as a tapeworm. that would be so wonderful, better than anything else.