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Should we be allowed to sue our parents, doctors, country, etc. for being poorly born, or born?

  • Yes

    Votes: 16 44.4%
  • No

    Votes: 20 55.6%

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disabledlife

disabledlife

Arcanist
Jun 5, 2020
413
There have recently been threads (from me, and other members of this forum), which debated eugenics, with arguments for and against, and especially the danger, despite the fact that it would have allowed everyone to be born well, to have the same chance of having a successful life, without problems.

If eugenics is not possible, and this is understandable, there would be this alternative, to make it possible to pursue one's parents, for the fact of being born, regardless of the reasons.

In this case, everyone will be able to have children, as currently. But this time, the children will have their last word!

When a child realizes that he is disabled, that he has been deprived of a good education, of a fulfilling life, of a good childhood, of access to studies, of access to work, that he is victim of harassment, discrimination, humiliation, etc., because of his size, his physical appearance, his illnesses, handicaps, mental illnesses, autism, etc., he will have the right to sue his parents, doctors, administrations, etc., in justice.

The law should authorize him to claim damages, punish, send to prison, his parents, doctors, administrations, schools, etc., who were aware that the child was going to become sick, ugly, short, too big, autistic. , mistreated, family being part of a sect, family locking their children in total isolation (deprived of outings, friends, etc.)...

The law should also authorize the child victim to change their marital status (surnames, first names, etc.), benefit from free care, cosmetic surgeries, bone lengthening, dental, sex change... help them to disappear voluntarily , leave far from his entourage, prohibit parents, doctors, etc., who harmed him, who allowed him to be born, who mistreated him, from approaching him, or from approaching his new entourage, his places of life...

The law should also help the child to leave his country of birth, if he requests it, grant his request to reject his nationality, if the child wants to completely change his life to the point of being a person a foreigner, having never lived in this country which hurt her, which destroyed her life.

In the most extreme case, the final case, the law should authorize him to benefit from all aid in dying, CTB, assisted suicide, Euthanasia, at his convenience, in the way he wishes, at the chosen time, etc. The law should also allow him, at the request of the victim, to destroy all his property, traces, if the child wishes to "punish" the fact of being born, of having existed.

A destroyed life is priceless, the person is already mentally dead, justice must be done to them, according to all the wishes of the destroyed person.

Currently. In my country, it is completely impossible to prosecute anyone for not being born, not even in the case of severe disabilities, it is practically impossible to prosecute their parents, doctors, schools, administrations, etc., for the being born, being mistreated, deprived of freedoms, deprived of friends, deprived of clothing choices, deprived of sex choices, etc. In my country it is practically impossible to change your marital status! In my country we do not have the right to die peacefully, and all attempts at CTB are punished by prison or forced internment in a psychiatric hospital, guardianship, etc.! In my country, we don't have the right to anything, just sermons, rejections, loneliness, discrimination, mockery, etc!
 
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frustratedcivilian

It Is About Nonsense
Apr 1, 2024
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Of course I agree with everything you said, But I am surprised that you think "law" is designed to be helpful to everyone. Everything is driven by the ideologies of who currently drive this world. Where I live, the ideology is stupidity, and that's how all laws are. It was a stupid moment when I thought that world is a fair place to "people" who don't own shit, but no, most of the world don't have control over their lifes (which they call "politics").
 
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sserafim

sserafim

brighter than the sun, that’s just me
Sep 13, 2023
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My mom always tells me to just sue her (I'm mad at her for giving birth to me without my consent), but I don't think that the legal system is up to date yet with understanding this issue. Most people believe that we have a fundamental right to procreate
 
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Adûnâi

Adûnâi

Little Russian in-cel
Apr 25, 2020
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When a child realizes that he is disabled, that he has been deprived of a good education, of a fulfilling life, of a good childhood, of access to studies, of access to work, that he is victim of harassment, discrimination, humiliation, etc., because of his size, his physical appearance, his illnesses, handicaps, mental illnesses, autism, etc., he will have the right to sue his parents, doctors, administrations, etc., in justice.
If you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention. ©

Your post implies that money can fix things, and that the weak deserve pity. Guess what, the world disagrees. Being bullied and suffering are the true prizes of these Special Olympics.

The only option is hate. Battle hate with hate. Not grovelling and bartering.
 
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disabledlife

disabledlife

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Jun 5, 2020
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If you think this story has a happy ending, you haven't been paying attention. ©

Your post implies that money can fix things, and that the weak deserve pity. Guess what, the world disagrees. Being bullied and suffering are the true prizes of these Special Olympics.

The only option is hate. Battle hate with hate. Not grovelling and bartering.
I have already repeated, above, that destroying life is priceless, so it assumes that, regardless of the amount won in damages, it will not compensate for the damage suffered, and even less for a birth , a shitty childhood for example!

Damages are only an idea, a proposal, left to the victim's discretion, it will always be up to the victim to have the last word and to ask for what they want, legitimately (money or not).

I know that money can't fix everything, that's why I thought that the victim can ask for whatever they want, and not necessarily money. We live in a world of money, this came to my mind automatically, because, often, justice works like that. I apologize for that. If the person does not want to talk about money, and this is completely understandable, they can ask to disappear, change their sex, their marital status, have traces of their administrative, physical, pictures, things, furnitures, clothes, etc, existence removed, change their place of living, of nationality, cosmetic surgeries, etc., without paying! She can also ask for damages, in addition to everything else, if she still wants the money, which could allow her, if she wants, to rebuild her life, or allow her to experience the end of her life. his convenience. Above all, she can demand that society make available to her all means of CTB in her own way (therefore, often peaceful), or euthanasia.
Of course I agree with everything you said, But I am surprised that you think "law" is designed to be helpful to everyone. Everything is driven by the ideologies of who currently drive this world. Where I live, the ideology is stupidity, and that's how all laws are. It was a stupid moment when I thought that world is a fair place to "people" who don't own shit, but no, most of the world don't have control over their lifes (which they call "politics").
I think of ideal countries, of an honest, open, thoughtful society, but it's just an imagination, to explain it to you here, but the reality is very different, it's hell! If I were asked the question if a paradise exists, I would answer that I know nothing about it (no proof of its existence or not), if I was asked the same question about hell, I would answer that we are right in there!
 
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Euthanza

Euthanza

Self Righteous Suicide
Jun 9, 2022
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The lawmakers or the ruling class mostly consist of birthers, they won't go in our favor. Sorry no chance, it's the reality and we might not be able to push back that hard.

Although the middle way is in moderation, in some established country, parents may lose their custody over by the power of government but I don't think you would like a third world government to take care of a child.
 
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latte art

latte art

simple heart
Apr 6, 2024
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It's kind of an interesting idea to sue parents for birth. In theory, people who live a good life are less likely to be suicidal and wouldn't want to sue their parents, and people who live a bad life would question whether they should give birth if they can't provide a good life. This might result in a more pro-life gene pool.

That said, what good would suing do for someone whose real issue is life? Wouldn't it be better to just increase access to comfortable means of suicide when a case is made for not being born to begin with, instead of making someone else's life worse? If it becomes about money or justice, I wonder if the person really wishes they weren't born or just wants to get out on top.
 
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LunarLight

LunarLight

i'm a loser, a failure
Apr 3, 2024
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No, you shouldn't be allowed to sue anyone just because you don't want to live anymore.
You should improve material living standards so that people don't want to commit suicide because they're poor or disabled. And give access to unconditional euthanasia based on principles of informed consent and bodily autonomy.
 
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disabledlife

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Jun 5, 2020
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For members who choose "NO" in pool, there are my another thread and question.
 
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disabledlife

disabledlife

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Jun 5, 2020
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Here are 4 very interesting cases which leave one thinking about the possibility of suing one's parents for the fact of being born to only serve interests, without love or compassion.

This is the case of family YouTube channels, of parents who exploit their children, mistreat them, make jokes that make children cry, try to trigger conflicts between brothers and sisters, use them for product placement. , carry out dangerous experiments...

This is the case of this mother, the worst of all influencer mothers!

This mother had a YouTube channel "8 passengers", a family of 8 people (the couple of parents and their 6 children), which ended up being denounced by more and more people. Then, finally, it was a neighbor, who took in a crying child, with traces of tape on his legs, blows, injuries, loss of weight, etc., who managed to escape to ask to call 911 , which helped stop this evil family!



There are many influencer parents who are more and more dangerous, psychopaths!

There is the case of families who have children (this is the case in Eastern Europe), to exploit them to make them pickpockets, a scourge of European capitals, slaves, prostitutes, which brings in profits. profits in favor of the head of the family, a criminal network, etc!


There is also the case of sects, closed communities, etc.

These children never asked to be born to these people!

Is this a good reason to allow parents, doctors, the country, etc. to be sued for allowing births? These children were never born for the love of true altruistic parents, wanting the best for their children!

And then, there is a law, in France, the only country in the world, it seems to me, which allows childbirth under X, anonymous. This law allows mothers (and fathers) to abandon their children as soon as they give birth, and the administration does everything to hide the identity of their parents, falsify the birth certificate, make the child believe, that no one knows his parents, even worse, make people believe that the adoptive parents, if he is lucky enough to be adopted, are his real parents! This is completely contrary to human rights, which requires access to origins (the UN regularly sanctions France). France is known to be a native of human rights and to be one of the worst countries in terms of respect for these rights! And what should we do about the medical history of the sick child, if there is a generic illness for example???

In this latter case, it would be possible to sue France (and even in a group, a class action), but France does not have this type of law! Even if it's a dream, I dream that all these cases disappear, and even the term "unwanted pregnancy", an aberration!
 
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