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Is it possible to ctb by sleeping pills/medication. As far as i know in my country you don't need to have a prescription to buy them, making them easily accessible. They are also pretty cheap. So i was wondering if its possible to ctb on them or all that i will receive from trying this is a trip to the er.
I checked the resource i was using and it didn't say anything about sleeping pills or dosages but im pretty sure it's possible.
 
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It depends on what kind of sleeping pills they are. Melatonin-based you can't OD on them. Barbiturates are possible but they're hard to acquire.
 
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Today's non-barbiturate sleeping pills are pretty non lethal.
Barbiturates like Nembutal or seconal can be effective.
Over the counter (non prescription) sleep aids are almost 100% failure rate.🤗🌹💔
 
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It is a myth that you can ctb with sleeping pills. You used to be able to, back in the day, when sleeping pills still contained barbiturates. Sleeping pills do not contain barbiturates anymore and all that is left is this myth.
 
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It is a myth that you can ctb with sleeping pills. You used to be able to, back in the day, when sleeping pills still contained barbiturates. Sleeping pills do not contain barbiturates anymore and all that is left is this myth.
firearm will surely do it. i love this
 
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When it comes to overdoses of sedative drugs, it is true that benzodiazepines have a wider therapeutic margin than barbiturates, but this does not mean that they cannot still be fatal in extremely high doses. While barbiturates, once used to treat insomnia and other conditions, were much more dangerous precisely because they had a narrow therapeutic margin, meaning a small amount more than the therapeutic dose could lead to fatal effects, benzodiazepines are generally considered more safe. However, if a person were to ingest an enormously large amount of benzodiazepines, as might be the case with thousands of milligrams, death would still be certain. Benzodiazepines cause severe central nervous system depression, leading to breathing difficulties, coma, and potentially cardiac arrest, just like barbiturates, although they require larger quantities. The result of a massive overdose of benzodiazepines, although less immediate than barbiturates, still leads to certain death, particularly if combined with other substances such as alcohol or opioids, which increase the sedative and respiratory effects. So, although benzodiazepines are "safer" in theory, overdose in large doses is just as lethal, and death is virtually inevitable.

If a person tried to crumble 4000 2 mg tablets of alprazolam (equal to 8000 mg in total) and ingested them, the outcome would certainly be fatal.

A suicide costing around 4000 euros for 133 boxes of 30 tablets per box.
 
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En ce qui concerne les surdoses de sédatifs, il est vrai que les benzodiazépines ont une marge thérapeutique plus large que les barbituriques, mais cela ne signifie pas qu'elles ne peuvent pas être mortelles à des doses extrêmement élevées. Alors que les barbituriques, autrefois utilisés pour traiter l'insomnie et d'autres maladies, étaient beaucoup plus dangereux précisément parce qu'ils avaient une marge thérapeutique étroite, ce qui signifie qu'une petite quantité supérieure à la dose thérapeutique pouvait entraîner des effets mortels, les benzodiazépines sont généralement considérées comme plus sûres. Cependant, si une personne devait ingérer une quantité énorme de benzodiazépines, comme cela pourrait être le cas avec des milliers de milligrammes, la mort serait toujours certaine. Les benzodiazépines provoquent une dépression grave du système nerveux central, entraînant des difficultés respiratoires, le coma et potentiellement un arrêt cardiaque, tout comme les barbituriques, bien qu'elles nécessitent des quantités plus importantes. Les conséquences d'une surdose massive de benzodiazépines, bien que moins immédiates que celles des barbituriques, conduisent néanmoins à une mort certaine, notamment si elles sont associées à d'autres substances comme l'alcool ou les opioïdes, qui augmentent les effets sédatifs et respiratoires. Ainsi, bien que les benzodiazépines soient en théorie « plus sûres », une surdose à forte dose est tout aussi mortelle et la mort est pratiquement inévitable.

Si une personne essayait d'émietter 4 000 comprimés de 2 mg d'alprazolam (soit 8 000 mg au total) et les ingérait, le résultat serait certainement fatal.

Un suicide coûtant environ 4000 euros pour 133 boîtes de 30 comprimés par boîte.
Le problème avec une quantité aussi énorme, c'est qu'il est tout simplement impossible de la prendre. And even with lower quantity, you will vomit. If you don't vomit, it means the quantity is weak and it will just happen nothing except maybe a sleep a bit longer than usualy (and even, it's not sure).
Le problème avec une quantité aussi énorme, c'est qu'il est tout simplement impossible de la prendre. Et même avec une quantité plus faible, vous vomirez. Si vous ne vomissez pas, c'est que la quantité est faible et il ne se passera rien d'autre que peut-être un sommeil un peu plus long que d'habitude (et même, ce n'est pas sûr).

Le problème avec une quantité aussi énorme, c'est qu'il est tout simplement impossible de la prendre. Et même avec une quantité plus faible, vous vomirez. Si vous ne vomissez pas, c'est que la quantité est faible et il ne se passera rien d'autre que peut-être un sommeil un peu plus long que d'habitude (et même, ce n'est pas sûr).
And keep in mind that benzodiazepins are mostly sedative but sometimes people have paradoxical reactions and benzos aren't sedative on them but the opposite, and these people become very agitated (body and mind), an awful experience to live. Too bad !
 
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Le problème avec une quantité aussi énorme, c'est qu'il est tout simplement impossible de la prendre. And even with lower quantity, you will vomit. If you don't vomit, it means the quantity is weak and it will just happen nothing except maybe a sleep a bit longer than usualy (and even, it's not sure).



And keep in mind that benzodiazepins are mostly sedative but sometimes people have paradoxical reactions and benzos aren't sedative on them but the opposite, and these people become very agitated (body and mind), an awful experience to live. Too bad !
Yes, even an antiemetic would hardly be effective. Alternatively, in case of massive intake of benzodiazepines such as midazolam, the situation would become extremely simpler. If one decided to break a large number of midazolam vials (for example, 400 vials) and transfer the contents into an infusion bag, it would quickly lead to a lethal overdose. Intravenous administration of such a large amount of midazolam would cause rapid loss of consciousness, followed by severe respiratory depression, which would also block the gag reflex. This would eventually lead to deep respiratory arrest, which would cause death.
And keep in mind that benzodiazepins are mostly sedative but sometimes people have paradoxical reactions and benzos aren't sedative on them but the opposite, and these people become very agitated (body and mind), an awful experience to live. Too bad !
You're right that some people may have paradoxical reactions to benzodiazepines, leading to agitation instead of sedation. However, in the case of a massive overdose of midazolam (such as 400 vials via intravenous administration), the likelihood of a lethal death remains very high. The paradoxical reaction might alter the emotional experience, but it wouldn't change the fact that such a high dose would still cause severe respiratory depression, leading to respiratory arrest. So, despite the possible initial agitation in some cases, the outcome would still be fatal.
 
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When it comes to overdoses of sedative drugs, it is true that benzodiazepines have a wider therapeutic margin than barbiturates, but this does not mean that they cannot still be fatal in extremely high doses. While barbiturates, once used to treat insomnia and other conditions, were much more dangerous precisely because they had a narrow therapeutic margin, meaning a small amount more than the therapeutic dose could lead to fatal effects, benzodiazepines are generally considered more safe. However, if a person were to ingest an enormously large amount of benzodiazepines, as might be the case with thousands of milligrams, death would still be certain. Benzodiazepines cause severe central nervous system depression, leading to breathing difficulties, coma, and potentially cardiac arrest, just like barbiturates, although they require larger quantities. The result of a massive overdose of benzodiazepines, although less immediate than barbiturates, still leads to certain death, particularly if combined with other substances such as alcohol or opioids, which increase the sedative and respiratory effects. So, although benzodiazepines are "safer" in theory, overdose in large doses is just as lethal, and death is virtually inevitable.

If a person tried to crumble 4000 2 mg tablets of alprazolam (equal to 8000 mg in total) and ingested them, the outcome would certainly be fatal.

A suicide costing around 4000 euros for 133 boxes of 30 tablets per box.
I believe it is almost impossible to swallow 4000 tablets. especially if it includes drinking them with water. Probably why this is not a popular method. It might be more easy to pull off with an over dose of Zolpidem but that would cause suffering before a coma is reached. It would take a few hours in this state to CTB and someone may find you and you will be rescued at the ER.
 
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Je crois qu'il est presque impossible d'avaler 4000 comprimés, surtout si on les boit avec de l'eau. C'est probablement pour cela que cette méthode n'est pas très populaire. Il serait peut-être plus facile d'y parvenir avec une surdose de Zolpidem, mais cela provoquerait des souffrances avant d'atteindre le coma. Il faudrait quelques heures dans cet état pour que le patient soit traité par CTB et que quelqu'un vous trouve et vous soyez secouru aux urgences.
What kind of sufferings with Zolpidem ?
 
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I believe it is almost impossible to swallow 4000 tablets. especially if it includes drinking them with water. Probably why this is not a popular method. It might be more easy to pull off with an over dose of Zolpidem but that would cause suffering before a coma is reached. It would take a few hours in this state to CTB and someone may find you and you will be rescued at the ER.
You are correct in highlighting that some individuals may experience paradoxical reactions to benzodiazepines, such as agitation or excitation instead of sedation. However, in the case of a massive overdose, such as the intravenous injection of 400 vials of midazolam, the outcome would still be fatal due to the drug's mechanism of action. Midazolam, like other benzodiazepines, acts as a positive allosteric modulator of GABA-A receptors, enhancing the affinity of GABA (gamma-aminobutyric acid) for the receptor. This process amplifies GABA's inhibitory effect on the central nervous system, causing progressive depression of vital functions. At extremely high doses, the inhibition becomes so pronounced that it compromises the brainstem's respiratory centers, leading to severe respiratory depression and subsequent respiratory arrest. Even in the presence of an initial paradoxical reaction characterized by agitation or confusion, a massive overdose would quickly lead to deep coma, followed by respiratory and cardiac arrest. Additionally, intravenous administration eliminates the risks associated with vomiting or regurgitation, increasing the likelihood of complete and rapid absorption of the drug. In this context, the comparison with barbiturates is useful: while both drugs can cause death through respiratory depression, benzodiazepines require higher doses to achieve the same lethal effect. However, the notion that benzodiazepines are inherently "safe" is misleading, as extreme dosages, like the one described, lead to equally inevitable outcomes, confirming that the risks associated with this drug class remain unresolved. Epidemiological data and related studies emphasize this point. One study showed that deaths from benzodiazepine overdoses increased from 0.46 per 100,000 individuals in 2000 to 3.55 per 100,000 in 2017, with a slight decrease to 2.96 per 100,000 in 2019, indicating a concerning trend in the use of these drugs. An analysis of data from 2011 to 2016 revealed significant changes in the drugs most frequently involved in overdose deaths, with a substantial increase in mentions of benzodiazepines. Additionally, reports have identified benzodiazepines as one of the drug classes most frequently involved in overdose deaths, underscoring their relevance in cases of poisoning from pharmaceuticals. These findings highlight that, despite the perception of greater safety compared to barbiturates, benzodiazepines still pose a significant risk of overdose and death, even when not combined with other substances.
I believe it is almost impossible to swallow 4000 tablets. especially if it includes drinking them with water. Probably why this is not a popular method. It might be more easy to pull off with an over dose of Zolpidem but that would cause suffering before a coma is reached. It would take a few hours in this state to CTB and someone may find you and you will be rescued at the ER.
While it may seem challenging to ingest 4000 tablets of any substance, it's important to focus on the physiological consequences of consuming a large overdose of benzodiazepines, even at somewhat lower doses than those you've mentioned. Ingesting 4000 tablets of a typical 2 mg alprazolam or similar benzodiazepine could indeed be physically difficult, but an overdose of a substantial number of tablets still poses a significant risk of fatality.
When large quantities of benzodiazepines are ingested, even if vomiting occurs, the extent of absorption can still be life-threatening, especially if the overdose causes severe respiratory depression before vomiting takes place. Benzodiazepines, like midazolam or alprazolam, depress the central nervous system to the point of potentially causing respiratory arrest, which can lead to death if not immediately addressed. In the case of ingesting a massive amount, the body would first experience sedation and deep drowsiness, followed by respiratory failure, a process that would likely not be interrupted by the vomiting reflex.
While it's true that zolpidem might cause severe side effects and distress before reaching coma, the difference with benzodiazepines lies in their mechanism of action. Benzodiazepines, when consumed in extreme quantities, result in a rapid and profound depressive effect on the respiratory system, which can lead to unconsciousness and death much more quickly than zolpidem. The death caused by benzodiazepines in an overdose typically results from severe respiratory depression leading to hypoxia, unlike zolpidem which might take longer to cause a similar outcome.
In fact, the ingestion of a massive dose of benzodiazepines, such as in the case of 4000 tablets, would be far more lethal because it would overwhelm the body's ability to maintain basic respiratory and cardiac functions. Given that intravenous administration of benzodiazepines like midazolam is a more rapid and certain method of overdose with less risk of regurgitation, the potential for a fatal outcome is even higher in controlled settings, making it a more dangerous substance in extreme quantities.
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The idea that benzodiazepines are "useless" for suicide is scientifically incorrect. An overdose of benzodiazepines can cause coma and death, especially when administered intravenously, which ensures rapid absorption without the risk of vomiting or regurgitation that could hinder the process. Oral administration of extremely large quantities of tablets may not be as rapid, but this does not decrease the risk of death, especially if there is no timely medical intervention.
 
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You are correct in highlighting that some individuals may experience paradoxical reactions to benzodiazepines
Why do I get ChatGPT vibes from this :ahhha:

Regardless, I appreciate the information, even if it does go over my head. Unfortunately I'd need multiple bottles of my prescription sleeping tablets for them to be fatal. Just getting the correct amount would take a long time.
 
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Why do I get ChatGPT vibes from this :ahhha:

Regardless, I appreciate the information, even if it does go over my head. Unfortunately I'd need multiple bottles of my prescription sleeping tablets for them to be fatal. Just getting the correct amount would take a long time.
I use ChatGPT primarily to help me adjust the grammar and translate text because English is not my first language. Without this assistance, some translations might end up being unclear or incomprehensible to me. In fact, even this message has been reviewed and refined using ChatGPT to ensure that it is accurate and well-structured. It helps me communicate more effectively, especially when expressing complex ideas.
 
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