Method SN may not be the best choice

[FearOfMachines]

A lot of people suggest using SN for pretty much anything. At first it may have been a good method but I think it is becoming less and less reliable. I'm sure most people have heard this but a lot of sources of SN aren't completely pure which then sequences a very thorough purity test. If you are expecting a quick way out, chemicals are usually not the best method.

 

[cme-dme]

Good thing there is usually a way of testing the purity of the substance beforehand. There is no method that I would consider a "quick way out" besides maybe a gun. Every other method has its flaws.

 

[Eudaimonic]

The issue is that the most common ways of testing SN yield potentially inaccurate results

Also what makes you say it's becoming less reliable?

 

[Forever Sleep]

Do you have a better alternative in mind?

I can't say I'm thrilled at the prospect of taking SN but, it still seems the best choice for me personally still.

 

[last_pizza_slice]

I'm not sure there is really any evidence to suggest that it is becoming less reliable

 

[howunfortunateforme]

My friend from here just died using it god rest her soul and it's my only option why do you think it's less reliable I thought Dmc was legit too

 

[Sail_to_Infinity]

They recommend it because it is relatively the most peaceful, widely available and reliable method when using the entire regime. Not everyone has access to weapons, not everyone has nerves of steel to jump in front of a train or jump from a height. SN and hanging are the most available methods. It doesn't matter whether the purity is 98% or 50%. That's why you make 2 drinks of 25g each, so that there is a reserve. The tests are inaccurate when indicating the concentration by 1%, but not so much that they are wrong by, say, 50%.

 

[roommate]

They recommend it because it is relatively the most peaceful, widely available and reliable method when using the entire regime. Not everyone has access to weapons, not everyone has nerves of steel to jump in front of a train or jump from a height. SN and hanging are the most available methods. It doesn't matter whether the purity is 98% or 50%. That's why you make 2 drinks of 25g each, so that there is a reserve. The tests are inaccurate when indicating the concentration by 1%, but not so much that they are wrong by, say, 50%.

Nobody recommends 50% purity, it could go very wrong, where are you getting that from

 

[Rymrgand]

What do you mean? Chemicals are one of the most reliable ways, assuming you can get them, and SN is one of the easiest chemicals you can get.

My friend from here just died using it god rest her soul and it's my only option why do you think it's less reliable I thought Dmc was legit too

A lot of people has CTB with DMC. Unless there's any news about they selling lately less pure SN that I haven't heard, they are legit.

They recommend it because it is relatively the most peaceful, widely available and reliable method when using the entire regime. Not everyone has access to weapons, not everyone has nerves of steel to jump in front of a train or jump from a height. SN and hanging are the most available methods. It doesn't matter whether the purity is 98% or 50%. That's why you make 2 drinks of 25g each, so that there is a reserve. The tests are inaccurate when indicating the concentration by 1%, but not so much that they are wrong by, say, 50%.

Purity matters, it's recommended to use high purity SN, but a good source should sell it like that. And that's not why you prepare several doses, you do it because you may vomit the first one.

 

[rozeske]

How does a highly lethal poison become less and less reliable over time?

 

[Sail_to_Infinity]

What do you mean? Chemicals are one of the most reliable ways, assuming you can get them, and SN is one of the easiest chemicals you can get.

A lot of people has CTB with DMC. Unless there's any news about they selling lately less pure SN that I haven't heard, they are legit.

Purity matters, it's recommended to use high purity SN, but a good source should sell it like that. And that's not why you prepare several doses, you do it because you may vomit the first one.

Nobody recommends 50% purity, it could go very wrong, where are you getting that from

Yea, of course u want as pure as it possible, remember that storage conditions are as important as purity.

 

[cme-dme]

Also what makes you say it's becoming less reliable?

Where did I say that? I was just stating that every method has its flaws and that there is no such thing as a flawless method

 

[Namelesa]

Where did I say that? I was just stating that every method has its flaws and that there is no such thing as a flawless method

I think they were saying that to OP not you as OP said about it being less reliable

 

[cme-dme]

I think they were saying that to OP not you as OP said about it being less reliable

ah my bad I thought it was OP replying to me not @Eudaimonic

 

[frommolecules2stars]

OP, you can't just make a claim that is widely unaccepted by the scientific community without providing evidence to back it up. You barely explained how it is becoming less reliable. And not to mention how you made a very broad claim that chemicals are not a good option for ctb. Can you provide evidence? Any statistics?

 

[Mav]

It isn't. It's incredibly painful & didn't work for me. You will be sooo sick, I don't care how many antiemetics you take. Don't do it. I can't be more serious about this!

 

[notausgang]

It isn't. It's incredibly painful & didn't work for me. You will be sooo sick, I don't care how many antiemetics you take. Don't do it. I can't be more serious about t

It isn't. It's incredibly painful & didn't work for me. You will be sooo sick, I don't care how many antiemetics you take. Don't do it. I can't be more serious about this!

I am so sorry for your bad experience. Could you please tell what happened during your attempt?

 

[Rymrgand]

It isn't. It's incredibly painful & didn't work for me. You will be sooo sick, I don't care how many antiemetics you take. Don't do it. I can't be more serious about this!

I'm really sorry for your experience, but there are a lot of documanted cases, both from successes and failures, that show that it's reliable and, even if it fails, not too harmful, compared to other methods. The PPH also supports this. Can you tell more about your case? Since you talked about antiemetics, I assume you did vomit the SN?

 

[TheHolySword]

SN is widely documented here, it's very reliable lol. Even still, what methods do you think are more reliable? Every method has its faults, there isn't one you can point to that I couldn't find something unreliable about it.

 

[WeDontKnowTheFuture]

There are spies here, trying to discourage those determined to die from using one of the only methods available, or perhaps the only one, that is not violent.
I can't be sure it is the case here but i remain doubtful..

 

[Mav]

I'm really sorry for your experience, but there are a lot of documanted cases, both from successes and failures, that show that it's reliable and, even if it fails, not too harmful, compared to other methods. The PPH also supports this. Can you tell more about your case? Since you talked about antiemetics, I assume you did vomit the SN?

I started vomiting within seconds. I was on life support for 7 days & suffered a cardiac arrest, stroke, & myocardial infarction as a result. I have a medical degree, so the rate at which I got sick was incredibly unexpected. I crashed & it was horrible. It was so unbearable. The pain associated was debilitating! I took Zofran & Promethazine to no avail.

I am so sorry for your bad experience. Could you please tell what happened during your attempt?

I started vomiting within seconds. I was on life support for 7 days & suffered a cardiac arrest, stroke, & myocardial infarction as a result. I have a medical degree, so the rate at which I got sick was incredibly unexpected. I crashed & it was horrible. It was so unbearable. The pain associated was debilitating! I took Zofran & Promethazine to no avail.

 

[howunfortunateforme]

I started vomiting within seconds. I was on life support for 7 days & suffered a cardiac arrest, stroke, & myocardial infarction as a result. I have a medical degree, so the rate at which I got sick was incredibly unexpected. I crashed & it was horrible. It was so unbearable. The pain associated was debilitating! I took Zofran & Promethazine to no avail.

I started vomiting within seconds. I was on life support for 7 days & suffered a cardiac arrest, stroke, & myocardial infarction as a result. I have a medical degree, so the rate at which I got sick was incredibly unexpected. I crashed & it was horrible. It was so unbearable. The pain associated was debilitating! I took Zofran & Promethazine to no avail.

I am so sorry. We all prob want to know your Protocol and was your source Dmc? How long were you fasted for?

 

[DarkShadows]

I started vomiting within seconds. I was on life support for 7 days & suffered a cardiac arrest, stroke, & myocardial infarction as a result. I have a medical degree, so the rate at which I got sick was incredibly unexpected. I crashed & it was horrible. It was so unbearable. The pain associated was debilitating! I took Zofran & Promethazine to no avail.

I can find a number of accounts of it not being like that from survivors. People have also documented their attempts on here and not reported pain or vomiting like you describe. It's in the PPH. Metoclopramide is the gold standard.

 

[Mav]

I can find a number of accounts of it not being like that from survivors. People have also documented their attempts on here and not reported pain or vomiting like you describe. It's in the PPH. Metoclopramide is the gold standard.

I certainly know everyone is different, and the product I used was a pure as it comes. I can access it because of my profession.

I am so sorry. We all prob want to know your Protocol and was your source Dmc? How long were you fasted for?

I fasted for 24 hours. I dumped as much as I could. It was an incredibly potent & pure form of SN. I used body armor & ginger ale to mix it. I drank it very quickly and was so incredibly suffering. I also became incontinent with the severe vomiting.

 

[DarkShadows]

I certainly know everyone is different, and the product I used was a pure as it comes. I can access it because of my profession.

Then don't make blanket statements about the method.

I dumped as much as I could

Protocols say 20 - 25 grams.

 

[grapevoid]

I certainly know everyone is different, and the product I used was a pure as it comes. I can access it because of my profession.

I fasted for 24 hours. I dumped as much as I could. It was an incredibly potent & pure form of SN. I used body armor & ginger ale to mix it. I drank it very quickly and was so incredibly suffering. I also became incontinent with the severe vomiting.

I am curious about your experience, I've read the mega thread many times, is it possible you fasted too long? Isn't it advised if you fast too long you are more likely to become sick? Additionally, what do you mean you dumped as much as you could? How much did you take?

This isn't meant to be combative, I'm genuinely curious, I'm trying to explore all the experiences so I don't make a mistake. If I wake up from an attempt again I might just cbt violently out of desperation and I don't think that would be fair to my family. :/

 

[MeowWantsToGoHome]

It isn't. It's incredibly painful & didn't work for me. You will be sooo sick, I don't care how many antiemetics you take. Don't do it. I can't be more serious about this!

I started vomiting within seconds. I was on life support for 7 days & suffered a cardiac arrest, stroke, & myocardial infarction as a result. I have a medical degree, so the rate at which I got sick was incredibly unexpected. I crashed & it was horrible. It was so unbearable. The pain associated was debilitating! I took Zofran & Promethazine to no avail.

I started vomiting within seconds. I was on life support for 7 days & suffered a cardiac arrest, stroke, & myocardial infarction as a result. I have a medical degree, so the rate at which I got sick was incredibly unexpected. I crashed & it was horrible. It was so unbearable. The pain associated was debilitating! I took Zofran & Promethazine to no avail.

Not trying to be mean but it genuinely seems like you followed zero of the steps outlined in the protocol. No wonder it didn't work and you were violently ill.

1) You fasted too long. 8-10 hours is the generally advised amount of time to fast as you don't want your stomach to be too acidic, and fasting for an extended period can make you more prone to vomiting

2) You don't just "dump as much as you can." 20-25 grams is the protocol standard, so you should have measured

3) You're supposed to mix the SN in WATER only. Not ginger ale or anything other than water

4) This could be irrelevant, but the trustworthiness or your source is also questionable. You say you got it from your profession, but I personally just feel like that could have had something to do with it as well

With all that said, please stop pedaling your experience as if it's the rule rather than the exception. Because, other than you, I've never seen anyone report symptoms like yours here from a failed SN attempt. Whatever went wrong was absolutely on your end and likely has nothing to do with a flaw of the standard protocol.

 

[DOHARDTHINGS24]

And the energy vampire / pro-lifer / troll / motherfucking bot got exactly what they wanted.
Well played "new member" .
I'm so tired of this shit, I shouldn't have read it, I shouldn't have responded...

 

[roommate]

And the energy vampire / pro-lifer / troll / motherfucking bot got exactly what they wanted.
Well played "new member" .
I'm so tired of this shit, I shouldn't have read it, I shouldn't have responded...

You mean that there is a lot of bullshit in this place right?

 

[Rymrgand]

You mean that there is a lot of bullshit in this place right?

There are some, yes. I personally prefer to assume they are being honest, but in any case they admitted that they didn't follow the protocol, so it makes sense it would have been a failure. And if they had poor judgement when they decided to make a weird mix of body armor, ginger ale and too much SN, they could have been wrong about the "potent" and "pure" SN too, and it could have been contaminated or been another different product altogether.

If my doctor gives me Ibuprofen for my pain and I decide to OD on it, then I can't complain that it's too dangerous and it's not a good way to relieve pain.