SN Method - feedback welcome

[Thisisme373]

Just laying out my SN method, any feedback welcome

- Fast for 10 hours, only limited water (last 2 hours no water)
- 30mg of metoclopramide
- 600mg ibuprofen
- Mix two separate glasses, both 25mg SN in 50-100ml water
- 30 minutes later take 5x40mg propranolol pills (200mg)
- 10 minutes later take 30x10mg Diazepam pills (300mg)
- 15 minutes later, give another stir of water/sn & then drink 1 glass
- if vomit drink the second glass

Parts I'm indecisive about is the propranolol and diazepam, is it too much propranolol and also is 300mg too much diazepam, I worry I might fall asleep too early

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Look into the onset of diazepam, you maybe need to make next step ten minutes after the benzo just to make sure you don't pass out or get too loopy beforehand as that is a pretty large amount at once. Everything else looks solid.

 

[Thisisme373]

Look into the onset of diazepam, you maybe need to make next step ten minutes after the benzo just to make sure you don't pass out or get too loopy beforehand as that is a pretty large amount at once. Everything else looks solid.

So maybe take the SN 10 minutes after the diazepam instead of 15 minutes?
I'm also thinking should I take 200mg of diazepam instead of 300mg

 

[opheliaoveragain]

So maybe take the SN 10 minutes after the diazepam instead of 15 minutes?
I'm also thinking should I take 200mg of diazepam instead of 300mg

That's what I was implying yes re:first line.
Honestly 200mg is plenty. Please look up onset.

 

[CantDoIt]

Doesn't pph suggest SN first and then Benzos? Do people switch it in case they vomit or to make the idea of taking it easier?

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Majority of recently successful protocols have taken it before, the trick is to understand the amount and onset of that specific benzo as they are not all the same, that main issue is the dose being too large and them giving it too much time, it kicks in and you essentially black out (similar to alcohol, as they act on the same receptor) and completing the plan goes out the window. That's why I'm repetitive in saying for everyone to check the onset of their particular benzo.

 

[nasigoreng99]

Majority of recently successful protocols have taken it before, the trick is to understand the amount and onset of that specific benzo as they are not all the same, that main issue is the dose being too large and them giving it too much time, it kicks in and you essentially black out (similar to alcohol, as they act on the same receptor) and completing the plan goes out the window. That's why I'm repetitive in saying for everyone to check the onset of their particular benzo.

From what i've heard the onset of diazepam is the longest among other benzo (diazepam = 40 mins). But i believe everyone has different reactions (or tolerance) to diazepam?

Also taking too much benzo could probably knock you out, and you may vomit during sleep. So again, the dosage of benzo depends on our tolerance?

But i read it latest PPeH, it suggested 20x30mg oxazepam (and i read that it is equivalent to 300mg of diazepam).

Again, correct me if im wrong.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

From what i've heard the onset of diazepam is the longest among other benzo (diazepam = 40 mins). But i believe everyone has different reactions (or tolerance) to diazepam?

Also taking too much benzo could probably knock you out, and you may vomit during sleep. So again, the dosage of benzo depends on our tolerance?

But i read it latest PPeH, it suggested 20x30mg oxazepam (and i read that it is equivalent to 300mg of diazepam).

Again, correct me if im wrong.

you are correct.

good to look at onset etc— taking too much can definitely complicate things

 

[nasigoreng99]

you are correct.

good to look at onset etc— taking too much can definitely complicate things

Do you have any idea if i only want to take benzo for reducing anxiety? Do you think 100mg of diazepam is good? Or less?

Thank you

 

[opheliaoveragain]

Do you have any idea if i only want to take benzo for reducing anxiety? Do you think 100mg of diazepam is good? Or less?

Thank you

that's a heavy dose. be careful with timing. no more than 10 before sn.

Do you have any idea if i only want to take benzo for reducing anxiety? Do you think 100mg of diazepam is good? Or less?

Thank you

wait wait. what's the question? for anxiety or for method???

 

[nasigoreng99]

that's a heavy dose. be careful with timing. no more than 10 before sn.

wait wait. what's the question? for anxiety or for method???

Yes timing definitely no more than 10 mins
Just for reducing anxiety during ctb, not for causing unconsciousness (that case i'll let SN cause unconsciousness to me).

 

[syde44]

Propranolol is no longer recommended in PPEH because it avoids tachycardia which is not painful, but it also risks making the process longer because tachycardia increases the absorption of SN in the blood and can cause arrest. heart disease or death more quickly which is obviously preferable.
I also repeat that a beta blocker only serves to slow the heart rate in the protocol and that the tachycardia is not painful, only uncomfortable but completely bearable.
When you run a sprint, do you take a beta blocker to avoid tachycardia? And is your racing heart rate painful? No, so it's useless, it especially increases the risk of vomiting due to drug overload combined with NS, and it can also take more time to die, which can sometimes be a reason for failure.
So, just like the PPEH, I advise against the unnecessary luxury of using propranolol.
And don't forget that crushed benzos have a faster effect than tablets, precisely because the powder is absorbed more quickly, so I recommend taking the benzos at the earliest, only 10 minutes before the SN, because you risk vomit during the first 10 minutes the SN with a risk of failure, after 10 minutes even if you vomit the SN will have been sufficiently assimilated and it does not matter if you vomit, so you must remain conscious for at least 10 minutes after taking the SN , so do not take benzos too early or you will lose consciousness too quickly.

 

[Thisisme373]

Might be a silly question but does it matter if you vape in lead up to taking sn?

 

[Thisisme373]

Do you guys think 200mg of diazepam is better (less likely to fall asleep) than 300mg?
Also what about 120mg of propranolol instead of 200mg?
Or scrap propranolol altogether due to what @syde44 posted about it possibly slowing down the process

 

[Thisisme373]

Anyone?

 

[pedrbel8805]

SN is a method that I don't like. I watched a live broadcast and I could see the desperation and fear of the person doing CTB. He told me that he felt dizzy and wanted to fall asleep as soon as possible but he couldn't.

Please don't ask for more details, this is what I remember.

 

[suffering_mo]

SN is a method that I don't like. I watched a live broadcast and I could see the desperation and fear of the person doing CTB. He told me that he felt dizzy and wanted to fall asleep as soon as possible but he couldn't.

Please don't ask for more details, this is what I remember.

This scares me, to hear you say "desperation and fear". Not sure how long you were on the call.... usually the passing out time period is between 15 to 40 minutes after drinking.

 

[swankysoup]

I wonder if this works well even without benzos. All i could get for relaxation is melatonin.