SN questions - DMC source, gastroparesis, administration

[anemicamoeba]

Hi everyone. My reason for wanting to ctb is multiple disabilities, which includes gastroparesis. I found some comments that SN is less reliable in people with gastroparesis, does anyone have more information on this? Is this something that would apply to other forms of poisoning and overdose as well? I wonder about taking part of the SN as an enema to be more sure, but maybe that would be very uncomfortable, idk lol. Otherwise I wonder if increasing the dose could get around the gastroparesis problem.

Given the extent of my disability, many other options would not be possible for me.

An additional question is I could order from DMC anytime but have seen concerning rumors about the purity lately. I'm not sure if I would be able to test. Can anyone weigh in who's tested or succeeded with this recently? It also seems DMC is becoming so known that I wonder if it's a limited time until he has to shut down, which makes me sort of want to just order right away, but I won't until I've figured this gastroparesis question out.

Finally, I've seen that SN is one of the safer methods as far as not disabling you if you fail, but not from any real concrete source. Does anyone have more information on this? I know we're pretty limited to anecdotes etc, but the most important thing for me besides accessibility is that the method I choose have minimal risk of further disabling me.

 

[NegevChina]

Hi, I'm also suffering from severe gastro problems that are undetectable, probably pancreatitis, but my digestion system is very faulty and I defiantly can say that absorption of medication has become much less effective for me since symptoms have started. Its very hard to find research on this topic but I can say that for this reason I do not rely on SN (cant source it here anyway) and I find it hard to be assisted by benzos for methods like drowning. I also do not want to fail and am considering jumping or CO.

 

[Unspoken7612]

Hi everyone. My reason for wanting to ctb is multiple disabilities, which includes gastroparesis. I found some comments that SN is less reliable in people with gastroparesis, does anyone have more information on this? Is this something that would apply to other forms of poisoning and overdose as well? I wonder about taking part of the SN as an enema to be more sure, but maybe that would be very uncomfortable, idk lol. Otherwise I wonder if increasing the dose could get around the gastroparesis problem.

Given the extent of my disability, many other options would not be possible for me.

An additional question is I could order from DMC anytime but have seen concerning rumors about the purity lately. I'm not sure if I would be able to test. Can anyone weigh in who's tested or succeeded with this recently? It also seems DMC is becoming so known that I wonder if it's a limited time until he has to shut down, which makes me sort of want to just order right away, but I won't until I've figured this gastroparesis question out.

Finally, I've seen that SN is one of the safer methods as far as not disabling you if you fail, but not from any real concrete source. Does anyone have more information on this? I know we're pretty limited to anecdotes etc, but the most important thing for me besides accessibility is that the method I choose have minimal risk of further disabling me.

The main reason why SN attempts fail is vomiting.

A solution to that is a subclass of antiemetics which both 1) reduce the chance of vomiting and 2) speed up gastric emptying.

Give that you have gastroparesis, it seems very likely you will have difficulties with this method.

You'll appreciate that we cannot give advice, only try to provide factual information, and need to be especially careful when what we say could be understood as enabling or encouraging suicide. I will say that a larger dose probably won't help you. The issue is vomiting before enough of the solution passes further down your digestive tract. The usual solution to this is to prepare a second or even a third dose, which can be drunk in the event of vomiting.

SN seems, based on both anecdotal and scientific case reports, to be much less likely to induce brain damage than asphyxiation. That said, given how it works, there is obviously some risk of hypoxic brain damage. There is not systematic study of this, as far as I can tell, but certainly it's a slower death than nitrogen, with less disastrous impacts if you are discovered midway through.

Other types of poisoning might work better for you, but I really couldn't say. You should definitely avoid sodium azide.

 

[athiestjoe]

only try to provide factual information

The main reason why SN attempts fail is vomiting.

I agree it is important to give factual information, however, the claim it is due vomiting appears to be inaccurate. The main reason for SN attempts failing is having emergency services called. At the time of the writing of the post I linked, there was 1 case which may have failed with attribution to vomiting. While this number could have certainly changed since then, I think those case reports sufficiently debunk this but as with everything, everyone should sufficiently research as more data becomes available. FWIW, I have not seen anything that would dramatically change the analysis on that post though.

If you have reports to back this claim up and it changes the stats, pretty please provide a sufficient breakdown to argue this. If it is exists and you've done a deep analysis that I am missing then it would be outstandingly helpful so I (personally) can make the most educated, and factually accurate choice possible. It seems like misinformation to me from all I've researched and if I am missing something I absolutely want to factor that in!

I found some comments that SN is less reliable in people with gastroparesis, does anyone have more information on this?

Gastroparesis may complicate ingestion-related processes by slowing absorption, as it can keep SN in the stomach longer. However, this alone doesn't mean a failure. I have yet to read any reports of someone failing due to a digestive disorder, again the reasons for failures were linked in the report above. Given that if you can facilitate gastric emptying with a D2 dopamine-blocking antiemetic like metoclopramide, it should mitigate that concern if you have it. As with everything, anything is possible but I do not see that backed up with any evidence. It is good to think about all of these factors as it shows you are thouroughly evaluating the pros/cons, not making an impulsive decision and are putting ample thought into ending your pain & suffering.

Finally, I've seen that SN is one of the safer methods as far as not disabling you if you fail, but not from any real concrete source. Does anyone have more information on this?

You can review these posts [1][2] to assess the post-failure chances of any long-term damage. Thus far, I have not read of anyone having any permanent damage but as with everything, these are just reports but are the best indications we have and thus far there does not appear to be any. There is always a chance though so it is not a 0% thing by any means. You can make your own determinations based on thourough research though.

An additional question is I could order from DMC anytime but have seen concerning rumors about the purity lately. I'm not sure if I would be able to test. Can anyone weigh in who's tested or succeeded with this recently?

Recent successes [1][2] (please be respectful of both threads if you go to them) with DMC have shown that concerns about purity may have been exaggerated and it should be seen as reliable. While aquarium tests aren't perfect and can have their own quality control issues, the testing process itself is quite straightforward. If someone can order SN, prepare an AE, and mix SN for CTB, I don't see why they wouldn't be able to perform the tests as well.

Could you clarify what specific challenges you anticipate?

With whatever you decide, I hope you find everything you are looking for and get peace & serenity.