Some confusion about SN

[mark_b]

Hello!

Due to health problems that unfortunately can no longer be solved, I have recently been dealing with the subject of ctb. I have looked into many different methods and I am now finding SN the most suitable. Now I have researched where to obtain the substance and have also found the usual sources via Y. However, I don't quite understand why people are ordering SN on DMC. Where I live (and I live in the middle of Europe where literally everything is regulated) it seems like you can order it, up to 99% purity, in some online-shops. Also a quick research revealed that it is legal to purchase, even for private people. Am I missing something here?

 

[charaunderground]

Hello!

Due to health problems that unfortunately can no longer be solved, I have recently been dealing with the subject of ctb. I have looked into many different methods and I am now finding SN the most suitable. Now I have researched where to obtain the substance and have also found the usual sources via Y. However, I don't quite understand why people are ordering SN on DMC. Where I live (and I live in the middle of Europe where literally everything is regulated) it seems like you can order it, up to 99% purity, in some online-shops. Also a quick research revealed that it is legal to purchase, even for private people. Am I missing something here?

In most countries, buying it is restricted to businesses. It's not illegal to own in most, but a lot of sellers and govs now know it's illicit uses, and has made it harder to purchase.

 

[voir2]

DMC somehow nudges people on this forum towards his website.
Otherwise he would not get many customers.

 

[Forever Sleep]

DMC somehow nudges people on this forum towards his website.
Otherwise he would not get many customers.

I don't think it's a surprise he does get so many customers. It probably does depend on the country you are from. Many countries do restrict sale of it to only businesses though. I don't think there are all that many sources willing to sell to individuals. It was the same with IC. Maybe I'm wrong though. I haven't gone looking for it in a while.

People also seem very reluctant to share source information. Surely- if your claim that he's present on the site in some way was correct, wouldn't it be more obvious? People seem to refer to it a lot I suppose but, they always have really- with other sources too.

 

[voir2]

I don't think it's a surprise he does get so many customers. It probably does depend on the country you are from. Many countries do restrict sale of it to only businesses though. I don't think there are all that many sources willing to sell to individuals. It was the same with IC. Maybe I'm wrong though. I haven't gone looking for it in a while.

People also seem very reluctant to share source information. Surely- if your claim that he's present on the site in some way was correct, wouldn't it be more obvious? People seem to refer to it a lot I suppose but, they always have really- with other sources too.

There certainly are some difficulties with SN in many countries.
Some people are desperate to find a peaceful solution, so when they read many times that DMC will provide a legit and discreet package, they really get obsessed with buying it. I have been there.
Even if the website has excessive prices and very unconventional payment methods.
My main concern is that those people may be very young and impulsive.

 

[Forever Sleep]

There certainly are some difficulties with SN in many countries.
Some people are desperate to find a peaceful solution, so when they read many times that DMC will provide a legit and discreet package, they really get obsessed with buying it. I have been there.
Even if the website has excessive prices and very unconventional payment methods.
My main concern is that those people may be very young and impulsive.

That's a legitimate concern. Do you know if DMC verifies age? IC started to do that at the end. It's a massive problem in general really. How can any of us here or sellers themselves truly know that another person's intentions are well thought out and reasoned?

But then- that's why it shouldn't be up to us. Assisted suicide ought to be legalised and regulated. Youngsters should also be able to talk about how they're truly feeling on other forums and support groups without risk of being sectioned or banned entirely.

That seems unlikely to happen though. I doubt assisted suicide will be introduced for anyone but those with chronic or terminal illness. And the general strategy with the world seems to be to avoid talking about suicide.

So, that leaves us with a problem. I imagine you are older? Are you ok with having the internet and forums like this massively censored to protect younger people? But- we still want out- and, we'd probably prefer to go via a more peaceful means. Is the answer only things like Exit International where you need to be 50+ and seriously ill? I understand where you're coming from but, how can it be regulated so that there is enough freedom without damaging vulnerable people?

 

[voir2]

That's a legitimate concern. Do you know if DMC verifies age? IC started to do that at the end. It's a massive problem in general really. How can any of us here or sellers themselves truly know that another person's intentions are well thought out and reasoned?

But then- that's why it shouldn't be up to us. Assisted suicide ought to be legalised and regulated. Youngsters should also be able to talk about how they're truly feeling on other forums and support groups without risk of being sectioned or banned entirely.

That seems unlikely to happen though. I doubt assisted suicide will be introduced for anyone but those with chronic or terminal illness. And the general strategy with the world seems to be to avoid talking about suicide.

So, that leaves us with a problem. I imagine you are older? Are you ok with having the internet and forums like this massively censored to protect younger people? But- we still want out- and, we'd probably prefer to go via a more peaceful means. Is the answer only things like Exit International where you need to be 50+ and seriously ill? I understand where you're coming from but, how can it be regulated so that there is enough freedom without damaging vulnerable people?

DMC and this forum are two different things (I hope so).
Such forum, where anyone can speak freely about suicidal tendencies, is great.
But it must not become a gateway to some greedy people who only want to make a lot of money over people in need.

 

[Forever Sleep]

DMC and this forum are two different things (I hope so).
Such forum, where anyone can speak freely about suicidal tendencies, is great.
But it must not become a gateway to some greedy people who only want to make a lot of money over people in need.

I agree- they must remain completely separate. That's what made me nervous when you initially posted that you suspected that they were 'nudging' people to buy from them. I'm sure our mods would prevent that. It's against the rules.

Besides, there's (sadly) enough 'organic' interest in their product- as in- people who want to suicide via a (relatively- hopefully) more peaceful means for there to be no need for them to coax people. People will actively search them out to buy.

 

[voir2]

I agree- they must remain completely separate. That's what made me nervous when you initially posted that you suspected that they were 'nudging' people to buy from them. I'm sure our mods would prevent that. It's against the rules.

Besides, there's (sadly) enough 'organic' interest in their product- as in- people who want to suicide via a (relatively- hopefully) more peaceful means for there to be no need for them to coax people. People will actively search them out to buy.

Mods cannot check everything. And the point of nudging is to be imperceptible.
KL was apparently private messaging every new member of this forum. DMC is more careful I guess.

People can search for a peaceful solution. One do not have to make that search too easy.

 

[Forever Sleep]

Mods are not omnipotent. They cannot check everything. And the point of nudging is to be below radar.
KL was apparently private messaging every new member of this forum. DMC is more careful I guess.

People can search. One do not have to make that search too easy.

Were they? Did you hear that from journalists? I bought from KL. I would have been active on threads talking about SN. No one messaged me to offer me a source or get me chatting and casually mention a seller.

It's not impossible I suppose but yeah- that would be dodgy. I think there may have been one or two members that were more casual about giving out sources. But I'm assuming they were either banned or left- CTB or other.

 

[voir2]

Were they? Did you hear that from journalists? I bought from KL. I would have been active on threads talking about SN. No one messaged me to offer me a source or get me chatting and casually mention a seller.

It's not impossible I suppose but yeah- that would be dodgy. I think there may have been one or two members that were more casual about giving out sources. But I'm assuming they were either banned or left- CTB or other.

KL used this forum quite a long time ago.
I don't know how people ended up here. There was no NYT article, no YT video, ...
I have been only a few months.
With more new members everyday, younger than ever, there is not much to be done to lure some people to DMC

 

[Forever Sleep]

KL used this forum quite a long time ago.
I don't know how people ended up here. There was no NYT article, no YT video, ...
I have been only a few months.
With more new members everyday, younger than ever, there is not much to be done to lure some people to DMC

I would have been here while KL was (supposedly) around I imagine. Not saying you're wrong. I just don't know.

I imagine people keep finding the forum the same way they always did. Googling for method information, then stumbling across something like the NYT article. It may not be new but it would still come up in searches. That's how I found out about it. The Tantacrul stunt was worse though because it sounds like that was popping up in random people's feeds.

But yeah, I do understand your concern. I have very mixed feelings about suicidal youngsters seeing as I began to have ideation age 10. I was far too square to have joined somewhere like this though back then.

From a purely selfish point of view. As well as it being worrying that youngsters might be acting impulsively (if they are,) the last thing this forum needs are more young deaths. I doubt the public would care so much if it were only middle aged people topping themselves! So, there are selfish motivations to being concerned too. It's always young deaths they use to protest with.

That's kind of selfish too though- no? Sorry young adults of the forum but, can you please stick with your difficult lives for the next 7 years so that we don't get into trouble? That's not all that fair either but- I do completely understand why you're worried.

 

[rozeske]

DMC somehow nudges people on this forum towards his website.

Such a wild accusation don't you think? Especially when you have nothing to backup your claims I'm guessing?

 

[voir2]

Such a wild accusation don't you think? Especially when you have nothing to backup your claims I'm guessing?

Simply by speaking of it, that promotes it.
Doing that regularly is enough I guess.
Have you ever seen a successful retail shop without any advertisement ?

 

[rozeske]

Simply by speaking of it, that promotes it.
Doing that regularly is enough I guess.
Have you ever seen a successful retail shop without any advertisement ?

Like I said, nothing to backup your claim.

 

[voir2]

Talking about something in a post make it more visible in most recent active threads.
That is a fact.
Thinking someone selling that chemical for that precise purpose would avoid this forum, would be insulting him