Venting Spineless people without any actual moral compass are driving me crazy!

[NoIdeaForAUsername]

One of many things I really despise in people is how demoralized most of them are. Right now, I'm talking about people who are saying things like, "I have the right to do it" or "He had every right to do what he pleased with his possession".

It's like SO MANY people actually don't possess any moral compass that would tell them that something is just evil and therefore shouldn't be done, even if actual law allows doing it.

People are so fucking evil that they are literally unable to see that something is morally bad, so they use the laws of the countries they live in to help themselves understand if something is ok to do or not, and if the law says its LEGAL then these people are just: "Well, ok then, I will do it without blinking an eye, because I HAVE RIGHT TO DO IT."

- Lying outside of court is LEGAL, do you think lying is good then?
- Huge amount of ways to deal psychological harm to other people is LEGAL, do you think harming people is ok then?
- Spending your money for e-prostitues on services like only fans is LEGAL, do you think it's ok to fund the degeneration of society just because you can do whatever you want with your money?
- Feeding your children in an unhealthy way and dressing them with dirty clothes even if you can afford them to be clean is LEGAL, do you think it's ok if your child is fat and dirty?
- Your boss just bought himself a third luxury car, while you are still working under him on minimal wage and he says that company have no money for even the slightest pay rise. What he does is LEGAL, do you think its a good thing that he treates people like slaves, while he lives himself like a jelly donut?

There are COUNTLESS examples like these above, i could make new ones for hours, If you answered YES on even 1 question above - you have no spine and you use law code to tell you what's right, because you are unable to tell it yourself.

This feeling was sitting in me for years, but to write this venting thread i've been motivated by what happened today within small modding commuity. A guy who was making one of the biggest and best mod for over a DECADE suddenly decided to literally delete / hide all the files and youtube content he ever created just because he was mad that community doesn't pay him enough money. It was clearly a dick move from him, he could just stop doing any more work, but taking the mod from the people is all about him being an offended child. He even made that insanly stupid explanation that he actually deleted the files, because he needed more space on his drive for personal stuff XD, sure dude, you also had hidden few hundred videos from your YT channel so YT can get more space on their drives? So obviously people started discussing about it, because its like a big deal in the community and there is SO MANY these fuckin people saying basicly the same thing, but with different words: "Shame we lost it, but it was his so he had full right to do it".

NO, he only had fuckin legal right to do it, while IT DOESN'T change the fact that he did something morally wrong. My frustration is NOT about him deleting the files, but all about the people saying this spineless bullshit about having a right...

In nazi germany people that were working in death camps had LEGAL RIGHT to fuckin kill you and your entire family just because of your heritage and them having bad humor that particular day, i guess it was fine, right? They had right to do it, it was fuckin legal. Its like SO MANY people would do just fine as death camp guards...

I think my personal hate for these people started when i was kicked out of my spot many years ago by a landlord who was just an evil piece of shit, he treated many people like trash, nobody liked him, he had wars with all the neighbours around and when i asked him why does he do that? Why didnt he just ask me if i want to pay increased rent, why did he created a situation in most terrible and harming way possible? I assume you already know what was his answer....


When i see the amount of evil on this world... The fact that so many people are acting evil and even if they sometimes do something good, they will cover it with 2 or 3 evil deeds soon anyway... Maybe im the stupid one, the one who lives in some unrealistic buble. Maybe as a child i learned that a person is supposed to be moral, but by looking on whats happening around me every day i start thinking that im just living in a total lie. People are evil, the amount of evil is million times bigger than the amount of good.

Most people would be ready to do unspeakable acts just when law codes allow them. Law code and fear from being punished is the only thing most people use as their compas.

 

[Carrot]

- Spending your money for e-prostitues on services like only fans is LEGAL, do you think it's ok to fund the degeneration of society just because you can do whatever you want with your money?

This is a bit more complex. We could shift the blame to the providers who provide such services, not e-prostitutes specifically, this happens everywhere. Ultimately what matters is survival (everybody needs money) and perceived value (doesn't matter what the provider thinks if others think it's valuable and the provider is willing to do the work).

Many services are legal, provide perceived value to others, but the actual value might be negative. I don't have a good example, but selling drugs to an addict is one (the addict perceives it as valuable, but the actual value is negative and makes the situation worse). Of course this can also be more complex. Or some games that generate so much money and milk the players and theh are fine with it, it's disheartening.

What saddens me that this stuff works on people. It doesn't need to be illegal, it simply should not work, but it somehow works.

 

[NoIdeaForAUsername]

This is a bit more complex. We could shift the blame to the providers who provide such services, not e-prostitutes specifically, this happens everywhere. Ultimately what matters is survival (everybody needs money) and perceived value (doesn't matter what the provider thinks if others think it's valuable and the provider is willing to do the work).

Many services are legal, provide perceived value to others, but the actual value might be negative. I don't have a good example, but selling drugs to an addict is one (the addict perceives it as valuable, but the actual value is negative and makes the situation worse). Of course this can also be more complex. Or some games that generate so much money and milk the players and theh are fine with it, it's disheartening.

What saddens me that this stuff works on people. It doesn't need to be illegal, it simply should not work, but it somehow works.

yea sure, you are just giving another examples. As i said the amount of them is literally countless. Some may ask how can a person who is selling death look in the mirror or how does he sleeps? The answer is simple - he sleeps just fine and he have no moral issues

 

[Kalista]

People are so fucking evil that they are literally unable to see that something is morally bad, so they use the laws of the countries they live in to help themselves understand if something is ok to do or not, and if the law says its LEGAL then these people are just: "Well, ok then, I will do it without blinking an eye, because I HAVE RIGHT TO DO IT."

laws that exist in many of the countries are based on human preferences, on what THEY believe to be 'right.' what it's not is universal, objective truth and that includes the laws in the US. there will ALWAYS be a difference in perspective between countries and what they think to be 'right.' the point of mentioning this is countries have THEY'RE own moral compass. just because it doesn't fit yours, doesn't mean they're 'wrong' -- or 'right.'

A guy who was making one of the biggest and best mod for over a DECADE suddenly decided to literally delete / hide all the files and youtube content he ever created just because he was mad that community doesn't pay him enough money. It was clearly a dick move from him

this mod creator has every right to pull his work out of that space as he's the one who created it. he wanted reasonable compensation for his hard work, didn't get it, so he removed it.
HE spent time creating and working on the mod, not anyone else. that alone gives him the fundamental human right to do what he pleases with it despite how everyone else feels. the mod being available to everyone to download for free and gaining popularity doesn't grant the public ownership of what he created.
if this is such a problem, then someone who doesn't expect compensation can create it themselves for free, once again.

what you're thinking and feeling in this situation is entitlement.

NO, he only had fuckin legal right to do it, while IT DOESN'T change the fact that he did something morally wrong. My frustration is NOT about him deleting the files, but all about the people saying this spineless bullshit about having a right...

there's nothing 'moral' about this situation. popularity doesn't create a moral debt. voluntarily removing the mod he created is not morally wrong, regardless of personal feelings. there is no possible deception, coercion, or actual harm involved here.
he is not obligated to make that specific gaming community happy and can choose to take what he created with him for whatever reason.

- Lying outside of court is LEGAL, do you think lying is good then?
- Huge amount of ways to deal psychological harm to other people is LEGAL, do you think harming people is ok then?
- Spending your money for e-prostitues on services like only fans is LEGAL, do you think it's ok to fund the degeneration of society just because you can do whatever you want with your money?
- Feeding your children in an unhealthy way and dressing them with dirty clothes even if you can afford them to be clean is LEGAL, do you think it's ok if your child is fat and dirty?
- Your boss just bought himself a third luxury car, while you are still working under him on minimal wage and he says that company have no money for even the slightest pay rise. What he does is LEGAL, do you think its a good thing that he treates people like slaves, while he lives himself like a jelly donut?

There are COUNTLESS examples like these above, i could make new ones for hours, If you answered YES on even 1 question above - you have no spine and you use law code to tell you what's right, because you are unable to tell it yourself.

In nazi germany people that were working in death camps had LEGAL RIGHT to fuckin kill you and your entire family just because of your heritage and them having bad humor that particular day, i guess it was fine, right? They had right to do it, it was fuckin legal. Its like SO MANY people would do just fine as death camp guards...

you're confusing vastly different situations like they carry the same moral weight. what you're describing in your examples involve coercion, abuse, exploitation, or actual harm to others. the situation with the mod creator is completely different. people just lost access to something they were given for free.

i understand you're frustrated and want to highlight that legality alone doesn't guarantee morality and that is a fair. however, you're making dangerously flawed comparisons by collapsing completely different situations into the same moral category.
taking away a free mod isn't like hurting or abusing someone. judging what's right or wrong requires considering the amount of damage and whether actual harm is done. generalizing like this is dangerous thinking.

 

[NoIdeaForAUsername]

laws that exist in many of the countries are based on human preferences, on what THEY believe to be 'right.' what it's not is universal, objective truth and that includes the laws in the US. there will ALWAYS be a difference in perspective between countries and what they think to be 'right.' the point of mentioning this is countries have THEY'RE own moral compass. just because it doesn't fit yours, doesn't mean they're 'wrong' -- or 'right.'



this mod creator has every right to pull his work out of that space as he's the one who created it. he wanted reasonable compensation for his hard work, didn't get it, so he removed it.
HE spent time creating and working on the mod, not anyone else. that alone gives him the fundamental human right to do what he pleases with it despite how everyone else feels. the mod being available to everyone to download for free and gaining popularity doesn't grant the public ownership of what he created.
if this is such a problem, then someone who doesn't expect compensation can create it themselves for free, once again.

what you're thinking and feeling in this situation is entitlement.



there's nothing 'moral' about this situation. popularity doesn't create a moral debt. voluntarily removing the mod he created is not morally wrong, regardless of personal feelings. there is no possible deception, coercion, or actual harm involved here.
he is not obligated to make that specific gaming community happy and can choose to take what he created with him for whatever reason.




you're confusing vastly different situations like they carry the same moral weight. what you're describing in your examples involve coercion, abuse, exploitation, or actual harm to others. the situation with the mod creator is completely different. people just lost access to something they were given for free.

i understand you're frustrated and want to highlight that legality alone doesn't guarantee morality and that is a fair. however, you're making dangerously flawed comparisons by collapsing completely different situations into the same moral category.
taking away a free mod isn't like hurting or abusing someone. judging what's right or wrong requires considering the amount of damage and whether actual harm is done. generalizing like this is dangerous thinking.

My entire message clearly says that i dont care what mod author did, but what people are saying about that, which shows their lack of morality. You are one of those people, so you try to twist my message into telling me and others that guy who deleted his work is the main subject of my message. You basicly fight with what i said, because you don't like when someone elaborates why people like you are just evil. That's ok, you are just using reasoning mechanism to put your conscience to sleep and now you suddenly found someone who clearly elaborates exactly why are you evil.

You also belittled all of my examples of actual evil deeds just by comparing them to the subject of guy deleting his work, which again is a way to twist entire thing into being something pointless, which in process takes its sense and reasoning away.

If you think sometihng being LEGAL means its not evil - you are a bad human being

 

[cemeteryismyhome]

I agree. Legal does not mean moral, and moral does not mean legal. It helps to keep the two things mentally separate but they are often conflated. Also, it's been demonstrated that morality can't be enforced simply by laws (I'm thinking of prohibition in the 1920's).

 

[Apathy79]

Agree with some of your points. But as someone outlined above, the one that tipped you over the edge is really perfectly fine. There's no morality issue there. It could even be a strategic way to make people understand how valuable what he was contributing is (you don't know what you've got till it's gone principle), which may work in helping him get compensated for it more adequately, then he can put it back up. I've seen a few people do this before. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't, but it's a fair strategy. There's no immorality in the act or in the justification that he had the right to do it.

Some of the other examples make more sense. There's a difference between legality and morality. But to a fairly decent extent one is objective and the other subjective. Like your Only Fans example. I have a relative who makes a modest living as a model using primarily that site because the actual modelling gigs dried up. She says most of the best clients are happy if she's wearing a bikini or similar and just talking to them, often not even about sex related things. They just want the connection with a pretty girl. So the whole thing is pretty mutually beneficial. They have money but are lonely, she needs money and can satisfy that need, everyone wins. Is she immoral? Are they? This stuff is grey in a lot of cases, not really clear cut.

 

[NoIdeaForAUsername]

often not even about sex related things.

If even 1 per 100 customers pays for something sex related and she does that - it means she a prostitute, which is immoral. The only moral exception could be make for people that are "forced" to make a living this way, because otherwise they starve / die and they really don't see any other way. If she is fine and just makes additional money then she is just full prostitute that sells her dignity for money

 

[StupidCat]

That's usually the case in hyper individualistic societies. People don't bond with their peers, or their community at all so matters not what relationships they establish with them. Since everything is reduced to the individual (their life, their children, their body, their choice) any conflict between peers can't really be resolved in 'moral' approachable ways but from a enforceable way like the law. You can't tell the lying person to stop doing it, they'll probably flip you off. You can't tell the abusing parent to stop doing it, they'll probably tell you to fuck off. Nowadays people have the idea that their actions don't have impact in any way, being negative or positive, however we're still pretty much social creatures and our actions have impact for anyone around us. However in individualistic societies we're told to mind our own business and whatnot, it's really depressing.

 

[Kali_Yuga13]

This was the argument Jesus made against the Pharisees. Despite their extensive law making and priest craft, he viewed them as morally bankrupt. You'll still find many sects of Christianity divided over the "spirit" of the law vs the "letter" of the law or what they call legalism.

Even on the world stage when it comes to war, countries still have to make a case or invoke certain 'articles' to proceed with the killing.

It sounds like the dude packed up his toys and went home due to feeling his intellectual efforts were being devalued. From his perspective perhaps the evil was the exploitation of his prior generosity by the compensating body.

I can't make a judgment on that particular scenario but I do know we are in very vague moral and often immoral times and yes some of the most horrific crimes happen under legal cover. As the saying goes, "trust the universe but lock your car".

 

[tercermundista]

politicians?