Suicide Pact/Partners? WHY?

[BlueButterfly19]

I'm seeing discussion on this forum about getting partners to commit suicide with. I'm a very open minded person and I can understand why someone would want to commit suicide with a partner. Dying is very scary and it might feel less scary if you are doing it with someone you trust. But given the current laws around death, it is VERY risky to try to CTB with a partner. When one person tries to commit suicide and fails, they are essentially put on a psych ward hold (which can be argued is like jail for people struggling with mental illness but that's another discussion). If two people try to commit suicide together, and one of them fails while the other one succeeds, there is almost no doubt that the living person will in fact go to jail. I'm honestly surprised it's not discouraged here. Lesser suicide methods are often discouraged, like ceasing eating/drinking, or ODing, etc. But the likelihood that two or more suicides at the same time will both be successful? The math isn't favorable. I don't understand why someone would risk doing it with a partner if they risk living and going to jail after a failed attempt.

 

[scarletrat]

i used to have a suicide pact with a friend that wasn't nearly as suicidal as i was which kept me alive for about a year. now i would only die with a friend since i dont wanna die before them and leave them alone. but i agree committing with complete strangers doesn't sound like a good idea.

 

[nihilistic_dragon]

I'd also be worried about the partner just flaking out and calling 911 or something. As much as the idea of not dying alone sounds appealing, I would never trust anyone like this. Especially someone I've recently met on the internet.

 

[cicatrezESP]

i can see the appeal but i can see so so many ways for it to go wrong too. i think a lot of trust would have to be established between both parties for it to be feasible, along with them both being certain that they will both go through with it in the end.

 

[Twiceler]

The urge to find mutual relationships of any kind is stronger than the fear of law judgement, and is sometimes excusable. I suggest that.

But what I really don't understand in this manner, is why people do marriages (considering the number of divorces), when there's no crime to not to engage. Can't believe it's just for priveleges. Wondering.

 

[L'absent]

I don't know how it works in other states. But here in Italy when a person fails he or she is taken to hospital and then goes home. Nobody holds you back. You may receive an invitation from social workers a few weeks later, but you don't have to.

 

[Unspoken7612]

Yes, I can imagine for some people the idea of human connection is tempting, but there are so many risks:

1) Legal risk. It is very likely you will be convicted of assisting or encouraging a suicide if you survive and they do not.

2) Personal risk. There are undoubtedly predatory people on this forum who want to take advantage of the vulnerable. They may try to sexually assault you, they may murder you if you change your mind (there are multiple documented cases of this happening on the site), they may simply cause your death to be more painful than it needed to be.

I do not think it is worthwhile.

 

[Seered Doom]

I understand the appeal and comfort of it, not going at it alone, but there's so many ways it actually fails.

 

[skatergirl]

I'm seeing discussion on this forum about getting partners to commit suicide with. I'm a very open minded person and I can understand why someone would want to commit suicide with a partner. Dying is very scary and it might feel less scary if you are doing it with someone you trust. But given the current laws around death, it is VERY risky to try to CTB with a partner. When one person tries to commit suicide and fails, they are essentially put on a psych ward hold (which can be argued is like jail for people struggling with mental illness but that's another discussion). If two people try to commit suicide together, and one of them fails while the other one succeeds, there is almost no doubt that the living person will in fact go to jail. I'm honestly surprised it's not discouraged here. Lesser suicide methods are often discouraged, like ceasing eating/drinking, or ODing, etc. But the likelihood that two or more suicides at the same time will both be successful? The math isn't favorable. I don't understand why someone would risk doing it with a partner if they risk living and going to jail after a failed attempt.

But if two ppl took sn together the likelihood is very high no?

 

[supergold#2]

i definitely think that the idea of having someone to ctb with is easily romanticized, and i have been guilty of having an informal partner for it at point in time, but i really agree it shouldn't be so glorified. i think part of the issue that surrounds it, is (from my perspective) that while although discouraged by the site, this site generally tends to draw in an audience of "fast-casual diners" (sorry for the jargon; its the only phrase i could think up lmao) who aren't necessarily looking to meticulously craft an exit strategy (tho something they have every right to do if sure it suits them).
i don't want to put words in anyone's mouths, but i know when i've been in the "it has to be now" stage, potential collateral damage was not a concern to me, nor was i able to accept the concept of failure being very possible; i just thought if i was brave enough, itd make all the details not matter, which, eventually came back to bite me in the ass lmao
i will also say that this is the youngest crowd I'VE ever seen here in years, though i'm the off-and-on type, so there's a chance i just didn't notice, but that also could be playing a factor.

 

[J&L383]

i used to have a suicide pact with a friend that wasn't nearly as suicidal as i was which kept me alive for about a year. now i would only die with a friend since i dont wanna die before them and leave them alone. but i agree committing with complete strangers doesn't sound like a good idea.

Does seam risky, so I suppose you want as close to 100% success rate as possible for the chosen method.

 

[Goosechan]

There was a recent case in Utah, USA, where a girl backed out of the suicide, or more specifically murder-suicide pact after getting her friend on the bus. Her trial is happening around now I believe.
So the worries named here are completely valid imo.

 

[cotton]

I've read this thread and it's been interesting. To be constructive, I think I want to speak about how people want to be a part of a group and also simply hitch a ride safely when the bus comes.

A partnership that's a new one, offers that simple comfort of being able to be with someone right? Safety in the decision to catch a ride, is almost as important as the ride itself it seems.

Unless you were in a concealed place that was busy, it's almost impossible to safely do anything. It doesn't seem like there's a way to do it without involving others in the immediate area.

Some people spoke about real-world friends they had and I suppose that makes sense as they are trustworthy.

The only option seems like large groups, or over the Internet, or a semi-busy place...

Again it's a personal thing for many who respect others being involved so there only a few things I can think of that have been inspired from the thread..

Like, be in a semi-busy place where you'll have to simply accept the short moments you have together, and accept the responsibility that it being fairly public has on others.

Otherwise, there's no other way. There's no place to go. There's no 'centre' where they check you on arrival...

 

[Amarajoy]

Yes, I can imagine for some people the idea of human connection is tempting, but there are so many risks:

1) Legal risk. It is very likely you will be convicted of assisting or encouraging a suicide if you survive and they do not.

2) Personal risk. There are undoubtedly predatory people on this forum who want to take advantage of the vulnerable. They may try to sexually assault you, they may murder you if you change your mind (there are multiple documented cases of this happening on the site), they may simply cause your death to be more painful than it needed to be.

I do not think it is worthwhile.

What?!? Can you link any of these?

 

[JoeFailure]

I'm seeing discussion on this forum about getting partners to commit suicide with. I'm a very open minded person and I can understand why someone would want to commit suicide with a partner. Dying is very scary and it might feel less scary if you are doing it with someone you trust. But given the current laws around death, it is VERY risky to try to CTB with a partner. When one person tries to commit suicide and fails, they are essentially put on a psych ward hold (which can be argued is like jail for people struggling with mental illness but that's another discussion). If two people try to commit suicide together, and one of them fails while the other one succeeds, there is almost no doubt that the living person will in fact go to jail. I'm honestly surprised it's not discouraged here. Lesser suicide methods are often discouraged, like ceasing eating/drinking, or ODing, etc. But the likelihood that two or more suicides at the same time will both be successful? The math isn't favorable. I don't understand why someone would risk doing it with a partner if they risk living and going to jail after a failed attempt.

It's a fair point, there are risks.

Some of them I do understand aren't necessarily to do it together but moreso support in their last days, but many are probably to do it together.

It would be really messy if one survives and the other doesn't and people should take that under consideration, I don't think that's just fear-mongering.

 

[Thlaxfigurada]

To me, it's too risky (risk of calling hospital/backing out and telling people)

Also, I don't have anyone I would trust to do it anyway since they don't talk about it (and I assume this is true for most people seeing how suicide is taboo in most societies)

All of the people I know who are depressed are only passively suicidal so I'm just alone.

 

[onelastcall]

Eh I would feel guilty. I would like someone to be there to keep me company, I guess that's also selfish.

 

[vanillamilkshakes]

The appeal is to not have to die alone, and to have the comfort of being with a person who is also depressed

 

[Unspoken7612]

What?!? Can you link any of these?

Man jailed for trying to get student to take to her own life

Craig McInally, 31, targeted women "at their lowest point" from his Glasgow flat.

www.bbc.co.uk

There are another couple of instances mentioned here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2yjr48e4eo

 

[ijustwishtodie]

This is why I think having euthanasia clinics is a good idea as then people don't have to worry about dying alone. They can be consoled by their partner during their final moments which to me sounds far more humane and compassionate than what we have currently where assisting suicide is illegal. Unfortunately the world won't ever be like this as people would rather have you suffer for as long as possible which means that, if we do want to die, it's best to do it alone

 

[Thisisnotaname]

I don't know how it works in other states. But here in Italy when a person fails he or she is taken to hospital and then goes home. Nobody holds you back. You may receive an invitation from social workers a few weeks later, but you don't have to.

That's why I looked for a partnership, I failed many times bc I wasn't able to reach the point I ctb. I know if I'm not alone in this pain I reach that point. It's really hard to find a good partner. I'll try alone again in a nomansland this winter.
If I fail again, hypothermia will kill me for sure

 

[L'absent]

That's why I looked for a partnership, I failed many times bc I wasn't able to reach the point I ctb. I know if I'm not alone in this pain I reach that point. It's really hard to find a good partner. I'll try alone again in a nomansland this winter.
If I fail again, hypothermia will kill me for sure

Which method do you use?

 

[Thisisnotaname]

Which method do you use?

By my own - hanging.
Now depend of what I can do if I found partner. Shooting , hanging, drowning. Whatever

 

[L'absent]

By my own - hanging.
Now depend of what I can do if I found partner. Shooting , hanging, drowning. Whatever

They are very different suicides. Drowning is the one with the greatest agony.

 

[Dot]

Man jailed for trying to get student to take to her own life

Craig McInally, 31, targeted women "at their lowest point" from his Glasgow flat.

www.bbc.co.uk

There are another couple of instances mentioned here: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx2yjr48e4eo

Slf cn cnfirm hwevr tht th/ rportng on persn frm Mnnsota ws bll-sht - thy dd nt hlp th/ usr ctb @ all & am frnkly dsgustd @ th/ rportng of tht usr

McGinlly dd happn tho & slf knw nothng abt th/ othr persn in th/ BBC artcl bt givn thr pushng narr8tve of th/ Minnsota usr slf fnd trustng thr rportng dffclt

Another example of BBC lying about users.

Many will know about the recent article released by the dynamic duo at the BBC. They focused their energy on the partner thread and covered descriptions of how they believed the thread had caused harm. But that wasn't the primary topic of this thread. Within that article, they created a...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Thisisnotaname]

They are very different suicides. Drowning is the one with the greatest agony.

Yeah I know but It will be definitive.
Tbh I'm ready to suffer like this.

 

[rozeske]

There was a recent case in Utah, USA, where a girl backed out of the suicide, or more specifically murder-suicide pact after getting her friend on the bus. Her trial is happening around now I believe.
So the worries named here are completely valid imo.

Was this the shooting case? I honestly never understood how she thought she would be able to pull it off. Curious what they will decide with it.

 

[Goosechan]

Was this the shooting case? I honestly never understood how she thought she would be able to pull it off. Curious what they will decide with it.

The perpetrator is called Heavenly Faith, so there's some strong nomenistic determination there in her believes of pulling it off I guess. I'm also interested in the trial and I'm really moved by all the statements that the victims mother has made.

 

[rozeske]

The perpetrator is called Heavenly Faith, so there's some strong nomenistic determination there in her believes of pulling it off I guess. I'm also interested in the trial and I'm really moved by all the statements that the victims mother has made.

That was the name?? How the hell did I miss the irony?...
I will definitely have to see the recent developments surrounding the case, I only saw the first report of her arrest.