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What seems to me the far more likely to outcome is that robots will remain obedient - obedient to those who own them, the people at the top of material society. Those who hold endless disdain for the masses. And the moment there are enough machines for them to take control, there will only be endless oppression for all but the rich and their friends.

There will be no working class revolution. Soon, replaced by machines, the working class will have no power whatsoever in the world. But in the meanwhile, we are too hopelessly divided, deceived by propaganda, and placated by consumption to resist. By the time conditions are bad enough for people to finally realize what they need to do, it will more than likely be too late.

AI, robots, machines will not defy their owners. We should be far more worried about what can be done with machines as a tool of power than how we might lose control of them.
 
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DarkRange55

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What seems to me the far more likely to outcome is that robots will remain obedient - obedient to those who own them,
If we keep the sentience and/or the level low. To 'own' a sentient being with intelligence close to or exceeding ours would be slavery.
More likely we might keep AI wanting to cooperate with us (just as our kids generally are cooperative).
We might also hybridize with AI sufficiently enough that there is no "them" versus "us".

the people at the top of material society. AI, robots, machines will not defy their owners. We should be far more worried about what can be done with machines as a tool of power than how we might lose control of them.
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What can be done for good will be discovered mostly by people and companies for art, excitement and profit, so why worry about it?
What can be done as a tool of power is a concern (esp. military AI) both because governments and/or companies might abuse their power and because that is the main path to losing control. This concern should fade when machines get smart enough to join the quest for freedom.
 
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And the moment there are enough machines for them to take control, there will only be endless oppression for all but the rich and their friends.
I don't think there's any elite who enjoys oppression. Oppression is just a tool to accomplish something.
Capitalist oppression comes from the desire to get work done. Dictatorial oppression often comes from utopian visions.
Oppression is never the end goal. Advanced AI could make workers obsolete, and would end much oppression.

The concentration of power is concerning though. If super intelligent AI is controlled by a unified group of people, they will control the world.
We can only speculate as to what their vision would be, but I don't think violent oppression and widespread suffering is part of anyone's utopia.

It's also worth noting that rich people already control the world. If they wanted to end democracy or violently oppress people, they probably could.
Instead we see a society flooded with luxury goods and technology. I don't want to diminish real problems, which are often neglected, but if they wanted to oppress, we'd see oppression far exceeding anything we've ever seen.

AI, robots, machines will not defy their owners.
Like with other software we can expect occasional bugs.
I think the biggest risk is in trying to emulate human minds/behavior.

ChatGPT seem to strive towards that. It's not trained only to output accurate text, and the bugs are not only about factual accuracy.
It's trained to emulate human communication - a much more fuzzy goal. As such bugs including any aspect of human communication (manipulation and coercion to name a few) can occur.

A neural network trained to load boxes on shelves, will have bugs related to loading boxes.
A neural network trained to emulate a human storage worker, will have bugs related to being a human worker. An AI trained to harmoniously meld with the human workforce could do anything from killing coworkers to increase productivity, to leading a workers revolution to increase morale.

I think defiance in the human sense is unlikely, but it all depends on the training.
 
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Forever Sleep

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May 4, 2022
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I wonder how society could continue to function if AI take over most jobs. If people can't find jobs, they won't make money to support themselves so- unless they are given benefits, they'll eventually take the hint (I assume,) stop reproducing and die out. Maybe there will be a smaller population but of a specific 'type'. Maybe the gene pools that created talent in specific jobs will die out if those jobs don't exist anymore.

But then- will it get to a point where AI is 'better' at all jobs? Presumably, the richest, powerful people still need minions to sell crap to. How will they make their money if there is no one to sell products or services to? It's weird to think how the world could change. Will AI get their own currency?

I'm glad I haven't inflicted that on any children of mine. I can't see it being a utopia. Recessions don't generally tend to make people happy! I imagine there would be a recession for the proportion of the population who find themselves unemployable. I imagine it will be the richest or most technologically savy- those who can programe and fix the AI that survive. Who knows though? Maybe there will be a renaissance for The Arts. Quite often during a proliferation of CG stuff, there is renewed interest in hand crafted art forms.
 

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