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I read the article in German a certain newspaper translated it. Originally it was published in the Washington Post. Personally I believe in climate change. However I like to listen to contrarian takes. But there is always the danger of false balance. Especially with the fossile fuel companies that invest millions or even billions to spread doubts/ fake news on climate change.

My first own doubts came when I listened to an interview with Anton Zeilinger. He won the physics noble prize 2022. He is not the one who questions climate crisis. But in this certain interview he said something like: Noone can predict the future what will be in like 30 or 50 years. And everyone who pretends otherwise lies. This is at least my memory of the quote maybe it is distorted. The dude sounded insanely intelligent and destroyed the clip which should introduce the audience to his work. He is also catholic which fueled my anxiety about a revengeful God. However I still posted the "Is God pro-death?" thread yesterday.
The climate change denier is called John Clauser who also won the physics noble Prize 2022 together with Zeilinger.

Here are some interesting parts of the article: I am scared of copyright infringement so I did not copy everything. There were many parts that I skipped where they emphasized that many serious climate scientists completely reject his halfknowledge. But these parts were not the meat of the story. (Lol):

The event showcased the remarkable shift that Clauser, 80, has undergone since winning one of the world's most prestigious awards for his groundbreaking experiments with light particles in the 1970s. His recent denial of global warming has alarmed top climate scientists, who warn that he is using his stature to mislead the public about a planetary emergency.
Clauser, who has a booming voice and white hair he often leaves uncombed, has brushed off these concerns. He contends that skepticism is a key part of the scientific process.
"There was overwhelming consensus that what I was doing was pointless" in the '70s, he said in an interview after the news conference. "It took 50 years for my work to win the prize. That's how long it takes for opinions to change."

"Great news! There is no climate crisis!"
"Much as it may upset many people, my message is the planet is not in peril," Clauser told an audience of about a dozen people in the hotel conference room and others watching online. "I call myself a climate denier," he added. "I've been told that's not politically correct. So I guess I'm a climate crisis d-word person."
Clauser bragged that he met privately with President Biden in the Oval Office last year, when the 2022 Nobel Prize winners were invited to the White House. He said he criticized Biden's climate and energy policies, to which he said the president replied: "Sounds like right-wing science."

Clauser, who has never published a peer-reviewed paper on climate change, has homed in on one message in particular: The Earth's temperature is primarily determined by cloud cover, not carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels. He has concluded that clouds have a net cooling effect on the planet, so there is no climate crisis.
Michael Mann, a professor of earth science at the University of Pennsylvania, said this argument is "pure garbage" and "pseudoscience."

But Anton Zeilinger, an Austrian physicist who shared the Nobel Prize with Clauser last year, said in an interview that he has "very high respect" for his scientific rigor, although he cautioned that he is not an expert on climate science.

"Einstein, when he proposed his ideas, was considered crazy and an outsider," said Zeilinger, a professor of physics emeritus at the University of Vienna. "It has happened in science that the majority was dead wrong. I have no idea if that is the case here, but science has to be open to debate."

"There is a skeptical streak in the physics community regarding climate science," Nadir Jeevanjee, a research physical scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, wrote in a recent critique of Koonin's book.
In an interview, Jeevanjee said that while climate science is based in physics, not all physicists are experts in climate science. But that hasn't stopped some distinguished physicists from portraying themselves as experts and sowing doubt, he said.

Some physicists who reject the scientific consensus on climate change have received funding from fossil fuel companies.

Clauser said he does not receive any money from oil, gas and coal interests.

OP again. So these were the parts I wanted to highlight. I still think climate change is very real and a very serious danger. But I am not 100% sure anymore. The article was a very interesting read. Maybe I am contributing to something very seriously bad with posting this thread. (due to the fact I might fuel climate denialism.) But as a frequent poster on SaSu one has to live with such allegations anyway. (to contribute to something very seriously bad lol).
 
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But.... But....

Greta Thunberg says it is, so it must be true!!
 

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I study mathematics and can tell you almost all scientific fields are comprised of many islands, which have little contact with each other. It's so extreme, that at some point two mathematicians realized how similar their own results are and created a new field of math to tie these coincidences together, called category theory.

In general, high scientists tend to overestimate their expertise in fields, that they aren't experts in. Quantum mechanics and climate science have relatively little overlap. And excuse my french, but his arguments aren't fucking convincing. Even if you discount CO2, cloud cover is not the only factor in climate. The angle of the earth is what creates seasons for one and many ice ages were caused by cycles in the earths orbit. A favorite among climate change deniers is to forget the suns strength itself plays a factor, thereby making wrong conclusions off of past CO2 levels. This is about the most he musters for an argument, the rest is just "Hurr, I'm a visionairy and politically incorrect, you know", which is nothing remotely close to a scientific study.

In short, I wouldn't count this as anything remotely noteworthy.
 
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I read the article in German a certain newspaper translated it. Originally it was published in the Washington Post. Personally I believe in climate change. However I like to listen to contrarian takes. But there is always the danger of false balance. Especially with the fossile fuel companies that invest millions or even billions to spread doubts/ fake news on climate change.

My first own doubts came when I listened to an interview with Anton Zeilinger. He won the physics noble prize 2022. He is not the one who questions climate crisis. But in this certain interview he said something like: Noone can predict the future what will be in like 30 or 50 years. And everyone who pretends otherwise lies. This is at least my memory of the quote maybe it is distorted. The dude sounded insanely intelligent and destroyed the clip which should introduce the audience to his work. He is also catholic which fueled my anxiety about a revengeful God. However I still posted the "Is God pro-death?" thread yesterday.
The climate change denier is called John Clauser who also won the physics noble Prize 2022 together with Zeilinger.

Here are some interesting parts of the article: I am scared of copyright infringement so I did not copy everything. There were many parts that I skipped where they emphasized that many serious climate scientists completely reject his halfknowledge. But these parts were not the meat of the story. (Lol):

The event showcased the remarkable shift that Clauser, 80, has undergone since winning one of the world's most prestigious awards for his groundbreaking experiments with light particles in the 1970s. His recent denial of global warming has alarmed top climate scientists, who warn that he is using his stature to mislead the public about a planetary emergency.
Clauser, who has a booming voice and white hair he often leaves uncombed, has brushed off these concerns. He contends that skepticism is a key part of the scientific process.
"There was overwhelming consensus that what I was doing was pointless" in the '70s, he said in an interview after the news conference. "It took 50 years for my work to win the prize. That's how long it takes for opinions to change."

"Great news! There is no climate crisis!"
"Much as it may upset many people, my message is the planet is not in peril," Clauser told an audience of about a dozen people in the hotel conference room and others watching online. "I call myself a climate denier," he added. "I've been told that's not politically correct. So I guess I'm a climate crisis d-word person."
Clauser bragged that he met privately with President Biden in the Oval Office last year, when the 2022 Nobel Prize winners were invited to the White House. He said he criticized Biden's climate and energy policies, to which he said the president replied: "Sounds like right-wing science."

Clauser, who has never published a peer-reviewed paper on climate change, has homed in on one message in particular: The Earth's temperature is primarily determined by cloud cover, not carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels. He has concluded that clouds have a net cooling effect on the planet, so there is no climate crisis.
Michael Mann, a professor of earth science at the University of Pennsylvania, said this argument is "pure garbage" and "pseudoscience."

But Anton Zeilinger, an Austrian physicist who shared the Nobel Prize with Clauser last year, said in an interview that he has "very high respect" for his scientific rigor, although he cautioned that he is not an expert on climate science.

"Einstein, when he proposed his ideas, was considered crazy and an outsider," said Zeilinger, a professor of physics emeritus at the University of Vienna. "It has happened in science that the majority was dead wrong. I have no idea if that is the case here, but science has to be open to debate."

"There is a skeptical streak in the physics community regarding climate science," Nadir Jeevanjee, a research physical scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, wrote in a recent critique of Koonin's book.
In an interview, Jeevanjee said that while climate science is based in physics, not all physicists are experts in climate science. But that hasn't stopped some distinguished physicists from portraying themselves as experts and sowing doubt, he said.

Some physicists who reject the scientific consensus on climate change have received funding from fossil fuel companies.

Clauser said he does not receive any money from oil, gas and coal interests.

OP again. So these were the parts I wanted to highlight. I still think climate change is very real and a very serious danger. But I am not 100% sure anymore. The article was a very interesting read. Maybe I am contributing to something very seriously bad with posting this thread. (due to the fact I might fuel climate denialism.) But as a frequent poster on SaSu one has to live with such allegations anyway. (to contribute to something very seriously bad lol).
>> Quantum mechanics and climate science have relatively little overlap...

Correct!

>> Even if you discount CO2, cloud cover is not the only factor in climate. The angle of the earth is what creates seasons for one and many ice ages were caused by cycles in the earths orbit.

Correct, but the effect of cloud coverage is thought to be the biggest uncertainty in the best current climate models.

>> A favorite among climate change deniers is to forget the suns strength itself plays a factor, thereby making wrong conclusions off of past CO2 levels.

In the very, very, very long term, yes the sun's strength is the key factor – it will boil our oceans and cook the planet in around a billion years (unless we move the earth outward, or find some other fix).

In the short term, the sun seems pretty constant in terms of its optical output. The main short-term variability in the sun has been in how strongly its magnetic field deflects cosmic rays (which affects cloudiness).

In the medium-term, we do not know because we do not have accurate measurements of the sun's power for even a few centuries ago (we can rule out huge changes, but not yet changes of a few percent, by looking at other stars in the main sequence).
 
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I read the article in German a certain newspaper translated it. Originally it was published in the Washington Post. Personally I believe in climate change. However I like to listen to contrarian takes. But there is always the danger of false balance. Especially with the fossile fuel companies that invest millions or even billions to spread doubts/ fake news on climate change.

My first own doubts came when I listened to an interview with Anton Zeilinger. He won the physics noble prize 2022. He is not the one who questions climate crisis. But in this certain interview he said something like: Noone can predict the future what will be in like 30 or 50 years. And everyone who pretends otherwise lies. This is at least my memory of the quote maybe it is distorted. The dude sounded insanely intelligent and destroyed the clip which should introduce the audience to his work. He is also catholic which fueled my anxiety about a revengeful God. However I still posted the "Is God pro-death?" thread yesterday.
The climate change denier is called John Clauser who also won the physics noble Prize 2022 together with Zeilinger.

Here are some interesting parts of the article: I am scared of copyright infringement so I did not copy everything. There were many parts that I skipped where they emphasized that many serious climate scientists completely reject his halfknowledge. But these parts were not the meat of the story. (Lol):

The event showcased the remarkable shift that Clauser, 80, has undergone since winning one of the world's most prestigious awards for his groundbreaking experiments with light particles in the 1970s. His recent denial of global warming has alarmed top climate scientists, who warn that he is using his stature to mislead the public about a planetary emergency.
Clauser, who has a booming voice and white hair he often leaves uncombed, has brushed off these concerns. He contends that skepticism is a key part of the scientific process.
"There was overwhelming consensus that what I was doing was pointless" in the '70s, he said in an interview after the news conference. "It took 50 years for my work to win the prize. That's how long it takes for opinions to change."

"Great news! There is no climate crisis!"
"Much as it may upset many people, my message is the planet is not in peril," Clauser told an audience of about a dozen people in the hotel conference room and others watching online. "I call myself a climate denier," he added. "I've been told that's not politically correct. So I guess I'm a climate crisis d-word person."
Clauser bragged that he met privately with President Biden in the Oval Office last year, when the 2022 Nobel Prize winners were invited to the White House. He said he criticized Biden's climate and energy policies, to which he said the president replied: "Sounds like right-wing science."

Clauser, who has never published a peer-reviewed paper on climate change, has homed in on one message in particular: The Earth's temperature is primarily determined by cloud cover, not carbon dioxide emissions from burning fossil fuels. He has concluded that clouds have a net cooling effect on the planet, so there is no climate crisis.
Michael Mann, a professor of earth science at the University of Pennsylvania, said this argument is "pure garbage" and "pseudoscience."

But Anton Zeilinger, an Austrian physicist who shared the Nobel Prize with Clauser last year, said in an interview that he has "very high respect" for his scientific rigor, although he cautioned that he is not an expert on climate science.

"Einstein, when he proposed his ideas, was considered crazy and an outsider," said Zeilinger, a professor of physics emeritus at the University of Vienna. "It has happened in science that the majority was dead wrong. I have no idea if that is the case here, but science has to be open to debate."

"There is a skeptical streak in the physics community regarding climate science," Nadir Jeevanjee, a research physical scientist at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, wrote in a recent critique of Koonin's book.
In an interview, Jeevanjee said that while climate science is based in physics, not all physicists are experts in climate science. But that hasn't stopped some distinguished physicists from portraying themselves as experts and sowing doubt, he said.

Some physicists who reject the scientific consensus on climate change have received funding from fossil fuel companies.

Clauser said he does not receive any money from oil, gas and coal interests.

OP again. So these were the parts I wanted to highlight. I still think climate change is very real and a very serious danger. But I am not 100% sure anymore. The article was a very interesting read. Maybe I am contributing to something very seriously bad with posting this thread. (due to the fact I might fuel climate denialism.) But as a frequent poster on SaSu one has to live with such allegations anyway. (to contribute to something very seriously bad lol).
Regarding ice ages, we would probably be starting one now if it were not for farming having added carbon dioxide and methane to the Earth's atmosphere for a few thousand years.
The climate models probably slightly overestimate the effect of CO2 by underestimating the rebounding from the little Ice Age, but the low-end of the models is probably not far off.

There is some evidence for solar cycles impacting the climate on Mars, but most of the climate change over the past hundred years has been human caused. There is some evidence that without farming clearing forests and rice paddies emitting methane (starting a few thousand years ago) we would be entering a new Ice Age by now.

The direct warming effect of carbon dioxide is well known (first calculated in the late 1800s), so no credible study is going to find no human contribution to warming.
There is, however, great uncertainty about the amplification effects of the feedback loops, most of which appear to be positive, but some are negative, and I have read of, but have not read myself, arguments for a wide range of overall amplification (1x to ~ 3x the direct effect).

We're still having idiotic climate change debates. Even if climate science is somewhat junkified, we should still be taking climate super seriously because we don't know what we're doing. Its such a complicated non-linear system. We're not even capable of focusing, two seconds later people will be watching the Kardashians.
 
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Sea level is complex – as the ice melts from Greenland, the lack of gravitational attraction from a huge mass of ice means that sea level will actually fall up to 200 feet nearby! Norway would be influenced by this to a lesser extent, but it could be more than the current rise in sea levels from warming and melting ice…
Adding a few tens of cm of water does increase the pressure on all ocean bottoms. The continents do rise slowly to compensate, but that's over thousands of years.
 
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Does the (general) release of geothermal heat/energy effect the movement of clouds? (Not referring to volcanos; just heat emanating to the surface from magma and the core): Geothermal energy is on the order of 1/20 of 1% of the average sunlight, so it should not have much effect. Although a comparable amount of ultraviolet energy in the stratosphere does influence the movement of air below it, that is partly because there's not much other energy up there.

The climate models probably slightly overestimate the effect of CO2 by underestimating the rebounding from the little Ice Age, but the low-end of the models is probably not far off.

There is some evidence for solar cycles impacting the climate on Mars, but most of the climate change over the past hundred years has been human caused. There is some evidence that without farming clearing forests and rice paddies emitting methane (starting a few thousand years ago) we would be entering a new Ice Age by now
 
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Climate change is real. It's happening now. And it's very dangerous. That's from someone who understands the topic (my first degree was in theoretical physics, and I did my PhD studying the world's use of energy) and who also worked for 20 years for one of the big oil companies. The oil majors knew back in the late 1970s that CO2 in the atmosphere was likely to be a concern. (I was there. I know.) By 1997 a few of them were even acknowledging it publicly. In 1997, in a speech at Stanford University, the CEO of British Petroleum, John Browne, was explicit about the link between human emissions of CO and rising temperatures. See https://www.climatefiles.com/bp/bp-climate-change-speech-to-stanford/

The scientist you quote is talking (mostly) nonsense. The time for scepticism is long since past: we now know, beyond any shadow of a doubt, that climate change is happening and that we are the cause. Although we can not predict the future course of events in detail, we know enough to be certain that climate change will create major problems for humanity. (My own view is that those problems might be serious enough to destroy our industrial civilization and send us all back to a pre-industrial world. That's not a certainty, but the risk is there. I would put the odds of it happening at about 50/50).
 
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Temperature driving CO2 and CO2 driving temperature are not mutually exclusive – there are many positive feedback loops, and also some negative feedback loops.

In the short term, positive feedback loops seem to outweigh the negative loops, so higher temperatures drive changes that increase CO2 (and methane) and decrease albedo, which in turn drive further temperature increases.

However, in the longer term negative feedback loops seem to dominate, with higher temperatures causing increased erosion on land (the increased weathering sequesters CO2 as carbonates), and more carbon is subducted at ocean subduction zones and is sequestered for thousands to millions of years.
 
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I'm no expert but I know just from the limited experience of my lifetime, we seem to be getting a lot more severe weather warnings and 'natural' disasters. I can't believe the two are unrelated.

Even if they aren't though- it's common sense surely- you don't shit in your own bed! It's dumb to poison your own water supply! Either way, I'd say it would be a good thing to reduce pollution and try to reduce consuming every natural resource we can get our grubby little mitts on, making untold numbers of other inhabitants of this earth homeless in the process. Do we actually need projected scientific data to realise it's not a great idea to go on as we are? We know from history what pollution and over consumption does.
 
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It's not uncommon for Nobel Prize winners to go off the rails. The genius in their younger years can turn to madness later in life.
 
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I don't think it even matters if the climate crisis is real or not, natural or manmade, conspiracy or not. You could have a genie tell you the answers to those things now and nothing would change for you. The thing that matters is the fact that the belief exists, and that it will be a narrative(whether true or not, notice how completely irrelevant it is to the consequences on earth), used by the powerful to shape reality in ways that are favorable for them. There's really very little room to doubt that will happen.

So why even be interested in whether or not climate change is real when the effects of it will be used for massive geo/social engineering by people with global influence and a global agenda?
 
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I study mathematics and can tell you almost all scientific fields are comprised of many islands, which have little contact with each other. It's so extreme, that at some point two mathematicians realized how similar their own results are and created a new field of math to tie these coincidences together, called category theory.

In general, high scientists tend to overestimate their expertise in fields, that they aren't experts in. Quantum mechanics and climate science have relatively little overlap. And excuse my french, but his arguments aren't fucking convincing. Even if you discount CO2, cloud cover is not the only factor in climate. The angle of the earth is what creates seasons for one and many ice ages were caused by cycles in the earths orbit. A favorite among climate change deniers is to forget the suns strength itself plays a factor, thereby making wrong conclusions off of past CO2 levels. This is about the most he musters for an argument, the rest is just "Hurr, I'm a visionairy and politically incorrect, you know", which is nothing remotely close to a scientific study.

In short, I wouldn't count this as anything remotely noteworthy.
Correct, but the effect of cloud coverage is thought to be the biggest uncertainty in the best current climate models.
The climate models probably slightly overestimate the effect of CO2 by underestimating the rebounding from the little Ice Age, but the low-end of the models is probably not far off.

Quantum mechanics and climate science have relatively little overlap.
Correct!
Would I consider a quantum physicist or an astronaut to be an in way, shape or form a source of authority on climate change?
As far as we can tell, everything in the universe is quantum. But I would not consider them an authority on climate change unless they had other qualifications (such as having studied climate modeling extensively on the side).

Earth's overall distance from the sun has a huge effect on temperature, but the difference between summer distance and winter distance is pretty minor and so only has a minor impact. However, changes in the Earth's axis and orbital eccentricity do cause the Milankovitch cycles.


You are correct! Also good points!
I'm just piggybacking


Temperature driving CO2 and CO2 driving temperature are not mutually exclusive – there are many positive feedback loops, and also some negative feedback loops.

In the short term, positive feedback loops seem to outweigh the negative loops, so higher temperatures drive changes that increase CO2 (and methane) and decrease albedo, which in turn drive further temperature increases.

However, in the longer term negative feedback loops seem to dominate, with higher temperatures causing increased erosion on land (the increased weathering sequesters CO2 as carbonates), and more carbon is subducted at ocean subduction zones and is sequestered for thousands to millions of years.
 
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I'm not going to respond to the climate stuff because I think it's wasted energy to try and debate anthropogenic global warming at this point.

But I will point out that with Einstein, he wasn't saying classical physics was dead wrong perse. In fact, it works most of the time. But it was known that there were edge cases which couldn't be resolved such as the orbit of mercury, or the ultraviolet catastrophe. He gave us ideas that brought a fuller picture to the table, allowing for better precision.

Nobody has a full picture of the workings of reality. What we have our models to approximate what's going on. Now if your model says everything before was completely wrong (particularly for something with multiple lines of evidence), you have a lot of explaining to do.

Lastly, while Einstein was eccentric, he certainly wasn't a lone wolf. He participated in mainstream academic physics, and built his works from the foundations of others before him such as Minkowsi and Maxwell.
 
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I am older Gen X and I have a Bachelor of Science degree in Environmental Studies. The climate crisis is real and it is man made.

I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but those are just the facts and I don't know how to make that statement tactful. Also, please note that I haven't read much of this thread due to my health issues, and I'm not responding to anyone in particular.

Anyway, just thought I would post some news I saw yesterday. The news was widely reported, but I chose to post an article from Forbes because Forbes is a right of center business magazine. I hope there are some people here who will read it with an open mind :)

Hottest Day On Earth: Planet Breaks Record Twice This Week Amid Historic Heat Waves
Brian Bushard
Forbes Staff

Jul 24, 2024,11:43am EDT
The record set on Sunday for the planet's hottest day ever lasted just a single day, as another record was set on Monday as a series of summer heat waves blister North America and scientists warn human-caused greenhouse gas emissions could accelerate the pace of climate change.

KEY FACTS
The global average surface air temperature on Monday, July 22, reached 17.15 degrees Celsius (62.87 degrees Fahrenheit), according to data from the European Union's Copernicus Climate Change Service, making it the hottest day since at least 1940 (Copernicus data dates to the mid-20th century).

That record surpassed a world record set just one day earlier at 17.09 degrees Celsius (62.76 degrees Fahrenheit), narrowly breaking the previous record of 17.08 degrees Celsius, recorded on July 6, 2023.

The consecutive record-breaking days come as scientists warn about devastating and long-range effects of human-induced climate change, which has been linked to exacerbated heat waves, more intense major storm systems, sea-level rise and prolonged drought.

In a statement Tuesday, Copernicus director Carlo Buontempo said "we are now in truly uncharted territory and as the climate keeps warming, we are bound to see new records being broken in future months and years."

Scientists have repeatedly warned rising global temperatures could bring "catastrophic" consequences if no action is taken to reduce greenhouse gas emissions, with the United Nations Framework Convention on Climate Change reporting in 2022 that, by 2030, those emissions will rise over 10% above 2010 levels. Increased emissions could drastically reduce the chances of meeting a monumental goal laid out at the 2015 Paris Climate Agreement to limit the rise in global temperatures to 1.5 degrees Celsius above pre-industrial levels by 2100, scientists said. By 2033, U.N. scientists have warned the world could pass that 1.5 degree Celsius threshold, likely triggering more intense droughts, flooding and water security issues, according to the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

WHERE HAVE TEMPERATURE RECORDS BEEN BROKE IN THE U.S.?
The global record comes as tens of thousands of cities and towns across the U.S. topple daily temperature records, with Fort Lauderdale, Florida doing so 20 times since Memorial Day, and three cities (Portland, Oregon; Tampa, Florida; and New Orleans) setting daily records on seven occasions this summer. In the Southwest, Albuquerque set a new all-time record for the city last month at a staggering 113 degrees Fahrenheit, while Las Vegas broke the city's all-time high temperature record by four degrees earlier this month with a high of 120.

SURPRISING FACT
Scientists warn against drinking alcohol and caffeinated drinks during a heat wave, and caution against consuming sugar-heavy foods and drinks that can accelerate dehydration, according to the American Red Cross. Heavy meals can also cause body heat to rise due to increased digestion, creating a two-pronged feeling of intensive heat when outside temperatures increase, George Washington University integrative medicine director Leigh Frame told The Washington Post last month. Spicy food, on the other hand, could prove beneficial when it's hot outside by accelerating sweating.

WHAT TO WATCH FOR
With sea surface temperatures rising and a weather phenomenon called La Niña dampening wind shear in the Atlantic, forecasters warn the 2024 Atlantic hurricane season could be among the most active on record. Scientists at the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration predicted between 17 and 25 named storms, well above the 14 recorded on average over the past 30 years, during hurricane season, which lasts between June 1 and Nov. 30. Of those storms, NOAA predicts eight to 13 will become hurricanes, including up to seven major ones (maximum sustained wind speeds of at least 111 mph). So far, there have been three named storms, the most intense being Hurricane Beryl, a deadly Category 5 storm that pummeled the Windward Islands and passed just south of Jamaica, before weakening as it approached Mexico and Texas.
 
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(No, its not a climate denial site, the name
Is misleading and the professor is not related to this site)





But here, I'll play devil's advocate and cherry-pick 🍒 some data about "extreme wealth," which often associated with climate change as a worsening symptom.



The current official highest registered air temperature on Earth is 56.7 °C (134.1 °F), recorded on 10 July 1913 at Furnace Creek Ranch, in Death Valley in the United States.
World: Highest Temperature | World Meteorological Organization's World Weather and Climate Extremes Archive

'38/50 states or 76% recorded their high-temperature records before 1955 – 43 states measured their high temp records in or before 1985

State Climate Extremes Committee (SCEC) | Records | National Centers for Environmental Information (NCEI)


Longer-term records show that heat waves in the 1930s remain the most severe in recorded U.S. history (Figure 3

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Climate Change Indicators: Heat Waves | US EPA


In recent years, there has been a decrease in grassland fires, which account for 70% of global wildfires

Global trends in wildfire and its impacts | Royal Society

Researchers Detect a Global Drop in Fires

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Time Series | U.S. Drought Monitor

Historical Data and Conditions | Drought.gov

Little change in global drought over the past 60 years - PubMed

No change in US drought in the last 60 years. "According to the EPA, the last 50 years in the United States have generally been wetter than average."
Drought has not changed 85-126 years.

https://www.drought.gov/research-spotlight-climate-driven-megadrought

"This 19-year period was probably the second driest in at least 1,200 years, but was still a few years shorter than the "megadroughts" of the past."



"The annual number of global hurricanes, typhoons and tropical storms has declined by roughly 13% since the 20th century."

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41558-022-01414-5

Recent migration of tropical cyclones toward coasts | Science

"Since 1945, the number of hurricanes that make landfall has declined by about a third."

Changes in Atlantic major hurricane frequency since the late-19th century | Nature Communications

The longest period without a major US category 3 or larger hurricane hitting the US since at least 1900, maybe the Civil War.



"…tornadoes aren't really getting more common or violent over time — but more and more people do seem to be living in tornado-prone areas… If anything there's been a mild decline…
One caveat: It's possible that tornadoes were under-reported in those earlier decades, before Doppler radar coverage became pervasive, although the NCDC is fairly confident in its data set for tornados stronger than F3."
A short history of violent tornadoes in the United States - The Washington Post

As of May 2024, the United States has not had an EF-5 tornado in almost 11 years, which is the longest period on record

EF5 Tornadoes In the US Since 1950 | Weather.com

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Storm Prediction Center Storm Reports Historical Data



After removing non-meteorological factors, the annual frequency of U.S. tornadoes through the most reliable portions of the historical record has remained relatively constant.

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41612-018-0048-2.pdf
 

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