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We live immersed in a reality that seems solid, continuous, and persistent. Every day we wake up, and the world is still there, the people around us exist, our thoughts flow uninterrupted, as if everything were eternal. But it's just an illusion. We know that one day everything will vanish. Not only us but our very perception of reality. Our consciousness, which now feels like the center of the universe, will extinguish like a flame in the void, and the world will continue for a while—until it, too, ceases to be.
Why does everything seem so incredibly real? Because our mind is a narrative illusion. It constructs time, continuity, and meaning. Without this illusion, we would go mad. Biology has programmed us to believe that this existence is solid and meaningful because, without this deception, we couldn't survive. Reality itself is a collective hypnosis, a mental structure that allows us to function. Every emotion, every fear, every desire is just a trick pushing us forward, because our brain is a device designed to create the sensation of existence, yet it cannot conceive its own end.
And here comes the great paradox. We can rationally accept that we will die, that our consciousness will shut down, and that nothing of us will remain. Yet, we can never truly feel this truth. When we try to imagine our own non-existence, we hit a wall. We can think about death, but we always do so while alive, with an active consciousness. It's a logical paradox: we cannot imagine nothingness because our very thought is presence. It's like a computer trying to process its own shutdown—it can't, because the moment it does, it is still running.
And yet, despite everything, we continue to worry about what will happen after we die. We think about how our loved ones will go on, what will happen in the world, the mark we will leave behind. But the truth is that all of this is completely irrelevant. Once we are gone, there will be no one left to observe events, no one left to ask questions, no one for whom it might matter. For a while, our body will still exist—but without will, without thought, without a name.
The process of decomposition is the final act of our physical existence. The liquids composing our body will begin to leak, the oxygen-deprived cells will break down, bacteria will start consuming us, transforming us into simpler substances. The water will return to the environment, the organic compounds will break down into gases like methane, ammonia, and carbon dioxide, dispersing into the air. Our skin will dry out, proteins will degrade, and even our bones, though resilient, will eventually crumble into dust. Our atoms will be reused by other life forms, by other chemical reactions, blending into the ecosystem, completely losing their original identity.
But there is no comfort even in this cycle. Because although matter transforms, nothing of us remains in the way we understand it. We are no more. And if anyone seeks solace in the idea of a continuing universe, one that recycles atoms, that generates new forms of life, the truth is even more ruthless: the universe itself is doomed to end.
The stars will burn out one by one. Matter will be consumed over time until there is no energy left to form new structures. Even the most fundamental particles will decay, and the universe will become a cold, dark wasteland. One day, even the last atom will disintegrate. There will be nothing left. No consciousness to observe it, no form to preserve it, no echo of past existence.
This is the reality we cannot bear. We live immersed in a belief in continuity because accepting absolute extinction is something our mind cannot process without breaking apart. But it does not change the fate that awaits us. Everything exists only for a brief moment and then disappears without a trace. Everything we are, everything we have loved, suffered, built, and imagined, will be no more. And there will be no one left to remember it.
 
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Excellent, comme toujours. Au fait, il est peut-être important de faire la distinction entre le réel et la réalité (les réalités). Grâce à toi, j'ai compris ça hier soir. Et aujourd'hui j'écoute une conférence du célèbre médecin français Philippe Guillemant et devinez quoi ? Cette distinction entre le réel et la réalité prend tout son sens quand on le suit dans ses théories. Mais même si on ne le suit pas et qu'on ne partage pas son point de vue, il me semble important de voir la différence entre le réel et la réalité (les réalités).
Thank you for your always well written posts.
Excellent, comme toujours. En fait, il est peut-être important de faire la distinction entre le réel et la réalité (les réalités). Grâce à toi, j'ai compris ça hier soir. Et aujourd'hui j'écoute une conférence du célèbre médecin français Philippe Guillemant et devinez quoi ? Cette distinction entre le réel et la réalité prend tout son sens quand on le suit dans ses théories. Mais même si on ne le suit pas et qu'on ne partage pas son point de vue, il me semble important de voir la différence entre le réel et la réalité (les réalités).
Merci pour vos articles toujours bien écrits.
Sorry, Philippe Guillemant = not physician ^^ but French physicist who worked at CNRS during a long part of his life.
 
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Excellent, comme toujours. Au fait, il est peut-être important de faire la distinction entre le réel et la réalité (les réalités). Grâce à toi, j'ai compris ça hier soir. Et aujourd'hui j'écoute une conférence du célèbre médecin français Philippe Guillemant et devinez quoi ? Cette distinction entre le réel et la réalité prend tout son sens quand on le suit dans ses théories. Mais même si on ne le suit pas et qu'on ne partage pas son point de vue, il me semble important de voir la différence entre le réel et la réalité (les réalités).
Thank you for your always well written posts.

Sorry, Philippe Guillemant = not physician ^^ but French physicist who worked at CNRS during a long part of his life.
Merci infiniment pour ton message ! C'est toujours un plaisir de voir comment certaines réflexions peuvent résonner et ouvrir de nouvelles perspectives. Cette distinction entre le réel et la réalité est fascinante, et je suis ravi qu'elle ait pris tout son sens pour toi.
Philippe Guillemant apporte en effet une approche intéressante à ces notions, notamment en lien avec la physique et la conscience. Que l'on adhère ou non à ses théories, cela montre bien que la réalité n'est pas un bloc monolithique, mais une construction multiple, subjective et influencée par notre perception.

Merci encore pour ton retour ! C'est ce genre d'échanges qui rendent la réflexion encore plus enrichissante. À bientôt !
 
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We live immersed in a reality that seems solid, continuous, and persistent. Every day we wake up, and the world is still there, the people around us exist, our thoughts flow uninterrupted, as if everything were eternal. But it's just an illusion. We know that one day everything will vanish. Not only us but our very perception of reality. Our consciousness, which now feels like the center of the universe, will extinguish like a flame in the void, and the world will continue for a while—until it, too, ceases to be.
Why does everything seem so incredibly real? Because our mind is a narrative illusion. It constructs time, continuity, and meaning. Without this illusion, we would go mad. Biology has programmed us to believe that this existence is solid and meaningful because, without this deception, we couldn't survive. Reality itself is a collective hypnosis, a mental structure that allows us to function. Every emotion, every fear, every desire is just a trick pushing us forward, because our brain is a device designed to create the sensation of existence, yet it cannot conceive its own end.
And here comes the great paradox. We can rationally accept that we will die, that our consciousness will shut down, and that nothing of us will remain. Yet, we can never truly feel this truth. When we try to imagine our own non-existence, we hit a wall. We can think about death, but we always do so while alive, with an active consciousness. It's a logical paradox: we cannot imagine nothingness because our very thought is presence. It's like a computer trying to process its own shutdown—it can't, because the moment it does, it is still running.
And yet, despite everything, we continue to worry about what will happen after we die. We think about how our loved ones will go on, what will happen in the world, the mark we will leave behind. But the truth is that all of this is completely irrelevant. Once we are gone, there will be no one left to observe events, no one left to ask questions, no one for whom it might matter. For a while, our body will still exist—but without will, without thought, without a name.
The process of decomposition is the final act of our physical existence. The liquids composing our body will begin to leak, the oxygen-deprived cells will break down, bacteria will start consuming us, transforming us into simpler substances. The water will return to the environment, the organic compounds will break down into gases like methane, ammonia, and carbon dioxide, dispersing into the air. Our skin will dry out, proteins will degrade, and even our bones, though resilient, will eventually crumble into dust. Our atoms will be reused by other life forms, by other chemical reactions, blending into the ecosystem, completely losing their original identity.
But there is no comfort even in this cycle. Because although matter transforms, nothing of us remains in the way we understand it. We are no more. And if anyone seeks solace in the idea of a continuing universe, one that recycles atoms, that generates new forms of life, the truth is even more ruthless: the universe itself is doomed to end.
The stars will burn out one by one. Matter will be consumed over time until there is no energy left to form new structures. Even the most fundamental particles will decay, and the universe will become a cold, dark wasteland. One day, even the last atom will disintegrate. There will be nothing left. No consciousness to observe it, no form to preserve it, no echo of past existence.
This is the reality we cannot bear. We live immersed in a belief in continuity because accepting absolute extinction is something our mind cannot process without breaking apart. But it does not change the fate that awaits us. Everything exists only for a brief moment and then disappears without a trace. Everything we are, everything we have loved, suffered, built, and imagined, will be no more. And there will be no one left to remember it.
Thx for this & the amazing pic. So many of this I was going to quote u back, but wont, instead I will quote a St and I know u know :)

It looks basic but isnt...

Like you said.... "But there is no comfort even in this cycle. Because although matter transforms, nothing of us remains in the way we understand it. We are no more. And if anyone seeks solace in the idea of a continuing universe, one that recycles atoms, that generates new forms of life, the truth is even more ruthless: the universe itself is doomed to end" ..... yes .... "All things pass"

Let nothing disturb you, nothing frighten you, all things are passing, God is unchanging. Patience gains all; nothing is lacking to those who have God: God alone is sufficient.
 
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Thx for this & the amazing pic. So many of this I was going to quote u back, but wont, instead I will quote a St and I know u know :)

It looks basic but isnt...

Like you said.... "But there is no comfort even in this cycle. Because although matter transforms, nothing of us remains in the way we understand it. We are no more. And if anyone seeks solace in the idea of a continuing universe, one that recycles atoms, that generates new forms of life, the truth is even more ruthless: the universe itself is doomed to end" ..... yes .... "All things pass"

Let nothing disturb you, nothing frighten you, all things are passing, God is unchanging. Patience gains all; nothing is lacking to those who have God: God alone is sufficient.
The quote from Saint Teresa of Avila is undoubtedly a balm for those who find solace in faith and the idea of an immutable order. However, I see neither meaning nor purpose in life or the universe—only a blind chaos perpetuating itself without direction or goal. Transience offers no comfort, only a sharp awareness of the horror that pervades everything: the inexorable dissolution of all that exists.

For me, there is no room to find redemption in an emptiness that promises nothing. It is not an answer, nor a sublime truth, but the naked face of meaninglessness, before which we can only stand astonished, stripped of all illusions of purpose.
 
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The quote from Saint Teresa of Avila is undoubtedly a balm for those who find solace in faith and the idea of an immutable order. However, I see neither meaning nor purpose in life or the universe—only a blind chaos perpetuating itself without direction or goal. Transience offers no comfort, only a sharp awareness of the horror that pervades everything: the inexorable dissolution of all that exists.

For me, there is no room to find redemption in an emptiness that promises nothing. It is not an answer, nor a sublime truth, but the naked face of meaninglessness, before which we can only stand astonished, stripped of all illusions of purpose.
The bit that stands out whether you believe or not is... "all things are passing" ....
i.e all things end, you me everything at some point. I find my MH is better when I think like this & the time we have on this planet shitty or, not - use it because it passes at some point and then you & me wont exist. & the cliche... life does just keep going without you.
 
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We live immersed in a reality that seems solid, continuous, and persistent. Every day we wake up, and the world is still there, the people around us exist, our thoughts flow uninterrupted, as if everything were eternal. But it's just an illusion. We know that one day everything will vanish. Not only us but our very perception of reality. Our consciousness, which now feels like the center of the universe, will extinguish like a flame in the void, and the world will continue for a while—until it, too, ceases to be.
Why does everything seem so incredibly real? Because our mind is a narrative illusion. It constructs time, continuity, and meaning. Without this illusion, we would go mad. Biology has programmed us to believe that this existence is solid and meaningful because, without this deception, we couldn't survive. Reality itself is a collective hypnosis, a mental structure that allows us to function. Every emotion, every fear, every desire is just a trick pushing us forward, because our brain is a device designed to create the sensation of existence, yet it cannot conceive its own end.
And here comes the great paradox. We can rationally accept that we will die, that our consciousness will shut down, and that nothing of us will remain. Yet, we can never truly feel this truth. When we try to imagine our own non-existence, we hit a wall. We can think about death, but we always do so while alive, with an active consciousness. It's a logical paradox: we cannot imagine nothingness because our very thought is presence. It's like a computer trying to process its own shutdown—it can't, because the moment it does, it is still running.
And yet, despite everything, we continue to worry about what will happen after we die. We think about how our loved ones will go on, what will happen in the world, the mark we will leave behind. But the truth is that all of this is completely irrelevant. Once we are gone, there will be no one left to observe events, no one left to ask questions, no one for whom it might matter. For a while, our body will still exist—but without will, without thought, without a name.
The process of decomposition is the final act of our physical existence. The liquids composing our body will begin to leak, the oxygen-deprived cells will break down, bacteria will start consuming us, transforming us into simpler substances. The water will return to the environment, the organic compounds will break down into gases like methane, ammonia, and carbon dioxide, dispersing into the air. Our skin will dry out, proteins will degrade, and even our bones, though resilient, will eventually crumble into dust. Our atoms will be reused by other life forms, by other chemical reactions, blending into the ecosystem, completely losing their original identity.
But there is no comfort even in this cycle. Because although matter transforms, nothing of us remains in the way we understand it. We are no more. And if anyone seeks solace in the idea of a continuing universe, one that recycles atoms, that generates new forms of life, the truth is even more ruthless: the universe itself is doomed to end.
The stars will burn out one by one. Matter will be consumed over time until there is no energy left to form new structures. Even the most fundamental particles will decay, and the universe will become a cold, dark wasteland. One day, even the last atom will disintegrate. There will be nothing left. No consciousness to observe it, no form to preserve it, no echo of past existence.
This is the reality we cannot bear. We live immersed in a belief in continuity because accepting absolute extinction is something our mind cannot process without breaking apart. But it does not change the fate that awaits us. Everything exists only for a brief moment and then disappears without a trace. Everything we are, everything we have loved, suffered, built, and imagined, will be no more. And there will be no one left to remember it.
All true but to me total equilibrium nothingness forever non-existence forever is the best thing by a trillion times better than than anything else

Everyone will die
 
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I agree and accept all of it except for the bit where it's 'irrelevant' to care about what happens to our loved ones after our deaths- because we won't be here to witness it. Part of loving and caring about someone is to be concerned with their welfare no matter what. Even their future well being- whether we are there to witness it or not. (That's how I feel anyway.)

We especially try not to do things that will deliberately hurt the people we love- which is the major problem with suicide- unfortunately. It's likely the reason a lot of us are lingering on I suspect. To avoid inflicting that on them.

I suppose I wish I could tell myself it's their attitudes that need to change, not mine. I just think emotion tends to rule though. Losing someone you love hurts. Even if you're pro-choice. It's not an easy thing for them to accept.

I actually find it a relief in a way that my miniscule life and outlook on the world will end one day. It brings with it far too much responsibility. It's certainly an odd phenomena to be conscious but then, if death is like going unconscious- under anaesthetic- which I'm assuming (hoping) it will be, there's nothing to fear. Here one moment and, gone the next. Like so many others before us and after us. If it weren't for the dying process part, I might be able to convince myself it would be like preparing for a holiday. Knowing you've got nothing much to worry about in the immediate future.
 
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