Discussion the hidden hand (religion)

[thronesick]

there is no judgment at all. im curious and want to know either sides. is there anyone here that is religious and currently planning on ending it? if not, why?

imo: sometimes i do wish i was religious and i was able to believe in a higher divine power that offers salvation to those at his mercy because with faith you are able to submit control. without god you're bound to just circumstance coincidences and just the choices you make and that itself is harder to grapple than it in the hands something else but then there's something terrifying about the existence of heaven because with heaven there's hell i just can't imagine killing myself only to die and have eternal suffering. sometimes i imagine instead of burning in hell you simply keep reliving your worst fears over and over and over again in a loop for eternity. my family is really religious and there's rumors and cases about the church being a cult but that's another story. i just remember like 'praying' and not knowing to whom. it's silent. i don't feel anything. am i supposed to? i used to wonder how can i delude myself as well. we all die though why is it so difficult to overcome the unknown? i just hope whatever's at the end its mercy lol. pls just be pitch dark and nothingness.

 

[Kai_Txn]

I think about this a lot.
I was raised christian and as an adult, I am now a satanist.

Though, even with my current beliefs (that heaven and hell is now and death is nothingness, the end, ceasing to exist both physically and spiritually), I still find myself worrying that maybe I'm wrong and the christians were right.

Maybe I will burn in hell for my sins. But...maybe not. There truly is no real way to get over the fear of the unknown. Fearing the unknown is such human nature, it sits with SI as something that viseral.

Thinking about this stuff is really terrifying to me and honestly, this question has given me a reason for an attempt when i was a teen. Thats how deep this shit really goes.

At the end of the day, the only way to find out what happens when we die, is simply to die. Thats the hardest part.

 

[John_Galt]

I've listened to many NDE's (Near Death Experiences) and it would seem evident we go on, Though it is a hope - The world has much Intelligence and design behind it all to be of Nothingness or the Cold Indifference of the Universe.

But the question I struggle with is; Why? Why create us knowing how far we would fall? and to accompany that is to say Does God care about us?
Why must I go on with these questions in my heart? One standard model for the Afterlife and Religion just does not account everybody, all these years I feel torn over everyones opinions of the Afterlife, Religion and god. that I will preform my own death to see the Truth with my own senses, Instead of trying to dissect every Myth from the Legend and organize it to see if its Truth for a Lie... I like to think about it in a leap of faith way - It gives Survival Instinct a good punch when you realize It'll be alright after.

 

[soapgoat]

Christianity is a really big part of my life and is one of the only reasons why I've been around this long. Without God we are all mistakes and circumstances like you said. If that were true I would quickly fall into nihilism and ctb instantly. I still do plan on ending it next week since psychotic depression sucks. Every attempt I've tired miraculously has failed by some miracle though. It was too cold out to use my razor to cut, cops were patrolling the Forrest i was in and saw me, and I overslept past my due date. I also got food poisoning before I was going to try and od. Murder breaks the 10 commandments even if you do it to yourself. Honestly the thought of being in heaven and praising God forever sounds amazing. He's merciful so he understands mental illness even though ctb is sinful its not unforgivable. I do plan on ctb but I want to fight against it as much as possible to make him proud. @John_Galt the reason for all the suffering in the world is that he gave us free will to sin and to find him organically. If we were good all the time that'd be slavery since we have no choice. I think God cares for us as well since he came in human form and died so we could be forgiven for our sins.

 

[thronesick]

I've listened to many NDE's (Near Death Experiences) and it would seem evident we go on, Though it is a hope - The world has much Intelligence and design behind it all to be of Nothingness or the Cold Indifference of the Universe.

But the question I struggle with is; Why? Why create us knowing how far we would fall? and to accompany that is to say Does God care about us?
Why must I go on with these questions in my heart? One standard model for the Afterlife and Religion just does not account everybody, all these years I feel torn over everyones opinions of the Afterlife, Religion and god. that I will preform my own death to see the Truth with my own senses, Instead of trying to dissect every Myth from the Legend and organize it to see if its Truth for a Lie... I like to think about it in a leap of faith way - It gives Survival Instinct a good punch when you realize It'll be alright after.

"Why create us knowing how far we would fall?" This is worded so beautifully I really appreciate your perspective.

 

[John_Galt]

Christianity is a really big part of my life and is one of the only reasons why I've been around this long. Without God we are all mistakes and circumstances like you said. If that were true I would quickly fall into nihilism and ctb instantly. I still do plan on ending it next week since psychotic depression sucks. Every attempt I've tired miraculously has failed by some miracle though. It was too cold out to use my razor to cut, cops were patrolling the Forrest i was in and saw me, and I overslept past my due date. I also got food poisoning before I was going to try and od. Murder breaks the 10 commandments even if you do it to yourself. Honestly the thought of being in heaven and praising God forever sounds amazing. He's merciful so he understands mental illness even though ctb is sinful its not unforgivable. I do plan on ctb but I want to fight against it as much as possible to make him proud. @John_Galt the reason for all the suffering in the world is that he gave us free will to sin and to find him organically. If we were good all the time that'd be slavery since we have no choice. I think God cares for us as well since he came in human form and died so we could be forgiven for our sins.

I get what you are saying but I have my doubts, It would seem Free-Will is a catastrophic mistake resulting in sin to begin with - It's not freeing if even one person has to suffer because of it... Not to be mean. But at least Robots do not get Raped, Killed in Wars, Murdered, etc... Why must the Sins of the Father be that of the Consequence of the Son or Daughter, I.e. even being born or created in the first place. I think were some kind of sick game to God - He didint have to die for us, they're could have been a better way, as he is the author of reality.

Apologies if that came off as hostile, Its just all so maddening

 

[thronesick]

Christianity is a really big part of my life and is one of the only reasons why I've been around this long. Without God we are all mistakes and circumstances like you said. If that were true I would quickly fall into nihilism and ctb instantly. I still do plan on ending it next week since psychotic depression sucks. Every attempt I've tired miraculously has failed by some miracle though. It was too cold out to use my razor to cut, cops were patrolling the Forrest i was in and saw me, and I overslept past my due date. I also got food poisoning before I was going to try and od. Murder breaks the 10 commandments even if you do it to yourself. Honestly the thought of being in heaven and praising God forever sounds amazing. He's merciful so he understands mental illness even though ctb is sinful it's not unforgivable. I do plan on ctb but I want to fight against it as much as possible to make him proud. @John_Galt the reason for all the suffering in the world is that he gave us free will to sin and to find him organically. If we were good all the time that'd be slavery since we have no choice. I think God cares for us as well since he came in human form and died so we could be forgiven for our sins.

I truly admire the way you put this! I'm so sorry your attempts had those outcomes. The interesting thing about religion to me, personally is that some people know god but their god is not the same compared to someone else's. I'm not religious but i'm not against it I just don't know. Do you get me? I'm over thinker I don't have true faith in anything my mind won't let me. At my church they cast you aside if you have doubt any hesitancy because it's not true faith. Whatever choice you make I hope it's peaceful. If God lives up to the caliber of his bible then there should be no reason you shouldn't be granted eternal life and allowed in heaven.

 

[soapgoat]

I get what you are saying but I have my doubts, It would seem Free-Will is a catastrophic mistake resulting in sin to begin with - It's not freeing if even one person has to suffer because of it... Not to be mean. But at least Robots do not get Raped, Killed in Wars, Murdered, etc... Why must the Sins of the Father be that of the Consequence of the Son or Daughter, I.e. even being born or created in the first place. I think were some kind of sick game to God - He didint have to die for us, they're could have been a better way, as he is the author of reality.

Apologies if that came off as hostile, Its just all so maddening

Dw at all it doesn't seem hostile and your questions are valid. You are right in how it does lead to sin a lot. God understands this and forgives us when we mess up. Free will can put us in a bad spot a lot of the time but it is necessary. If you had a gun to your head and were forced to love someone it would be ingenue which is why he allows us to do whatever we want and chose to do right/have a relationship with him. In the garden of eden there was no suffering but our free will unleashed sin into the world
-robots may not suffer but they don't live fulfilling lives either. Chat gpt doesn't have to deal with any injustice but there's nothing else. It's meaningless and you could make the argument that is suffering in its own way. Imagine being a wage slave being forced to obey orders with no say that sounds pretty bad to me.
-i suppose that he could've made things different and not need to be crucified but I think it was beautiful. He showed us how much he cares for us that he was willing to experience hell for a short duration. It also gives us a lesson into accountability and humility. The punishment for our sin is still there despite forgiveness so it has to go somewhere. Its like being sentenced for a crime and Jesus took all of the prison time when he died on the cross. His crucifixion shows that we aren't some sick game and he truly cares for us. It also documents his divinity and credibility since he overcame death
-you mention there being a possible better way and that God should of made the world different but I disagree. He's outside of time so he knows all outcomes and out of evey possibility he chose this one for reality. Why do protons have positive charges and elctrons negative? Why do I wanna ctb? Why's the sky blue? I have no idea but I trust that God does since he's pretty smart. The book of job goes into detail about human suffering where job is a God fearing man who trys his best but God takes everything away from him. Job:38 has God question Job since he despairs to why he is suffering so much. God shows him how limited the human mind is and in job:48 5-6 he repents for his ignorance and in job 48:10-13 he is rewarded handsomely for leaving it all to God. (I haven't actually got up to this part in the Bible yet but I'm pretty sure I have a good understanding of it so small chance I got something wrong) feel free to ask anymore questions if u want.

 

[soonnotkoei]

hopes and beliefs have only ever got me dissapointments. want to stay as far away from religion as possible.

 

[VoidAetherium]

Religion is a red flag scam and a way to manipulate the whole society with fear and making delusive false creations to impose his own sick order among the crowd. Spirituality on your self recognition is the way to go while could be focus permanently on a self reality on the other side where one can be permanently erased and destroyed for all other distortions of existence itself.

I've listened to many NDE's (Near Death Experiences) and it would seem evident we go on, Though it is a hope - The world has much Intelligence and design behind it all to be of Nothingness or the Cold Indifference of the Universe.

But the question I struggle with is; Why? Why create us knowing how far we would fall? and to accompany that is to say Does God care about us?
Why must I go on with these questions in my heart? One standard model for the Afterlife and Religion just does not account everybody, all these years I feel torn over everyones opinions of the Afterlife, Religion and god. that I will preform my own death to see the Truth with my own senses, Instead of trying to dissect every Myth from the Legend and organize it to see if its Truth for a Lie... I like to think about it in a leap of faith way - It gives Survival Instinct a good punch when you realize It'll be alright after.

One of the things that scares about the NDE'S is the prison planet theory itself. Can't imagine how horrific will be for the ones who may come back on this planet to endure a new era of technological dystopic approach where everything will look ai terminator like. I'm glad had being born on 90s where there were still hope and fun to gather around like playing hide n seek and so but still i had witness the birth of this tech upcome on my life and even on his good way to be my safest zone, it had being way to isolate myself and deteriorating my mind even more. I surely regreat got my hands on a computer when i had 8 years old for the first time. By that time playing games and staying on screen was the main focus to avoid the sick abusive reality of school and parents. While i had some kids to play on the street like soocer player or hide and seek, the whole view was already deteriorating to me. Imagining being born and people seeing you, smiling to you and pretending everything is okay making a playthfull fantastical scenario for later on, you see was justa facade for a horrific reality. Is already terrible to endure amnesiac sensation since birth for no remembarance for otherside contemplation or your self forcible creation on existence itself. If there is hope among this meaningless sick purpose would probably be through the point of origin of your own existence where your own core was created and where will could also be destroyed permanently.