the sarco will be ready this year

[ksp]

"The pods were created at a cost of between $4,000 (£3,100) and $8,000 (£6,200)"

the main advantage of the sarco is that there is no need for doctors (gatekeepers):

'The person will climb into the machine, they will be asked three questions and they will answer verbally - 'Who are you?', 'Where are you?' and 'Do you know what happens if you press the button?'

'And if they answer those questions verbally, the software then switches the power on so that the button can then be pressed.
'And if they press the button they will die very quickly.

i think the questions will be generated by AI (artificial intelligence) inside the pod - similar to a tablet, i'm guessing

dailymail.co.uk (aug 27, 2023)

 

[CW36]

As great as that is, it'll never be allowed to take off.

More importantly, why on earth are you reading the daily mail?

 

[DeadHead]

But of course only for exit members. Not a fan of Dr N or that organisation. Hope a few competitors get in on the game to drive the cost down. Shame it still entails travelling to Switzerland and high costs.

As great as that is, it'll never be allowed to take off.

More importantly, why on earth are you reading the daily mail?

Hey now, the Daily Fail is a fine rag I'll have you know.

 

[SVEN]

Just press on the Daily Mail link on the original post to read the full article which explains in detail.

 

[conarc]

As great as that is, it'll never be allowed to take off.

More importantly, why on earth are you reading the daily mail?

If everyone repeats it like you, it maybe will not.

Sounds like a prolifer comment...

This topic is about sarco, not daily mail.

 

[CW36]

Hey now, the Daily Fail is a fine rag I'll have you know.

Toilet paper perhaps

 

[conarc]

the main advantage of the sarco is that there is no need for doctors (gatekeepers):



dailymail.co.uk (aug 27, 2023)

Lets hope it gets ready soon and other companies will copy it quickly.

 

[befree]

But of course only for exit members. Not a fan of Dr N or that organisation. ...Shame it still entails travelling to Switzerland and high costs.

I have already said how I feel about Exit International in the VAD megathread and in the "Going to Switzerland" thread.
Basically, you can also use one of the convenient and reliable inert gas methods I present in SCUBA megathread. Even the most expensive option with the OceanReef equipment costs much less than the Sarco. And you don´t have to travel to Switzerland and don't make an arrogant profit-making association even richer.

 

[ksp]

As great as that is, it'll never be allowed to take off.

the device will be legal

More importantly, why on earth are you reading the daily mail?

lol: another source (similar info): americanreveille.com

 

[CW36]

the device will be legal

I can't see it arriving on British shores anytime soon, that's for sure.

lol: another source (similar info): americanreveille.com

Oh thank God! Your soul shall be saved

 

[ksp]

But of course only for exit members. Not a fan of Dr N or that organisation. Hope a few competitors get in on the game to drive the cost down. Shame it still entails travelling to Switzerland and high costs.

yes, i imagine it will be used by exit first (so age of 50+) but at the minimum it will be 18+

 

[CW36]

yes, i imagine it will be used by exit first (so age of 50+) but at the minimum it will be 18+

At least it's a step in the right direction if nothing else right. The units will get cheaper, the requirements will get lower, and eventually, people will be able to die in peace without any hassle.

Hurray for humans!

 

[MyChoiceAlone]

it will i suppose eliminate the need for a medical doctor. i read a post where dr. n said that the psych exam would be performed by ai consisting of 4-5 questions. who am i? what day is it? last one being do you know what will happen when you press that button? a couple other basic questions. c'mon. really? takes ai to figure that out? that won't fly even under szl laws.

 

[ksp]

it will i suppose eliminate the need for a medical doctor. i read a post where dr. n said that the psych exam would be performed by ai consisting of 4-5 questions. who am i? what day is it? last one being do you know what will happen when you press that button? a couple other basic questions. c'mon. really? takes ai to figure that out? that won't fly even under szl laws.

you are thinking of normal people: obviously it's very easy to determine mental capacity for a normal person, but think about people with dementia, or other special cases: the AI will completely eliminate doctors because of these simple questions

when people are unable to confirm the minimum mental capacity to make an important decision: these are special cases that need much more attention, and specialized doctors

but for most of the 'normal' cases it will be a very straightforward and legal process

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this device has the potential to uphold individual autonomy and overturn the current gatekeeping system:

- currently all people need approval for MAID or voluntary euthanasia, by doctors
- in the future all people will be free to choose, except for special cases

 

[FuneralCry]

If people are able to die in such a way then they are very fortunate, the Sarco sounds ideal, it should be avaliable for everyone, everywhere.

 

[DeadHead]

you are thinking of normal people: obviously it's very easy to determine mental capacity for a normal person, but think about people with dementia, or other special cases: the AI will completely eliminate doctors because of these simple questions

when people are unable to confirm the minimum mental capacity to make an important decision: these are special cases that need much more attention, and specialized doctors

but for most of the 'normal' cases it will be a very straightforward and legal process

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this device has the potential to uphold individual autonomy and overturn the current gatekeeping system:

- currently all people need approval for MAID or voluntary euthanasia, by doctors
- in the future all people will be free to choose, except for special cases

Agree for the most part. But exit has become a de factor gatekeeper.

I have already said how I feel about Exit International in the VAD megathread and in the "Going to Switzerland" thread.
Basically, you can also use one of the convenient and reliable inert gas methods I present in SCUBA megathread. Even the most expensive option with the OceanReef equipment costs much less than the Sarco. And you don´t have to travel to Switzerland and don't make an arrogant profit-making association even richer.

Exactly! I've had my own experiences with these organisations that I won't discuss here since you were kind enough to inform us they have accounts here ;-) Although in my situation and at my age, I assure you I have run out of f*cks to give.

 

[ksp]

more info about the sarco pod:

The Sarco pod (also known as Pegasos and has been referred to as a "suicide pod"[1]​) is a euthanasia device or machine consisting of a 3D-printed detachable capsule mounted on a stand that contains a canister of liquid nitrogen to die by suicide through inert gas asphyxiation. "Sarco" is short for "sarcophagus".[2]​[3]​ It is used in conjunction with an inert gas (nitrogen) which decreases oxygen levels rapidly which prevents panic, sense of suffocation and struggling before unconsciousness, known as the hypercapnic alarm response[4]​: 45 ​ caused by the presence of high carbon dioxide concentrations in the blood.[4]​The Sarco was invented by euthanasia campaigner Philip Nitschke in 2017.

From Wikipedia

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

the main advantage of the sarco is that there is no need for doctors (gatekeepers):



i think the questions will be generated by AI (artificial intelligence) inside the pod - similar to a tablet, i'm guessing

dailymail.co.uk (aug 27, 2023)

Ok just a question. What is stopping someone from getting out of the sarco due to si kicking in? is it locked ,is it impossible to break out. ?
I've heard si can be powerful like a wolf in a trap chewing his leg off and they have.

I've read on here of several cases and talked to others in PM about their Si stopping them from ctb. Some have even said they've done it unconsciously. for example one person told me that they set up a generator in their room. but they unconsciously got up and opened the door got out.

We've seen many cases of people calling the hosptial after ingesting poison.

Just my opinion .But wow only in Switzerland is this allowed. And still they require passing an interview with a psychiatrist and of course the long plane trip there. And who knows what other restrictions like age?
assisted suicide like this should be allowed in every country but with no psychiatrist having to give you permission. to make a compromise with them we only should agree that if they can serve in the military or drive a car then that age is ok .

 

[Meteora]

Would be great if it was brought into use. Dont think that will happen in the near future. To many ethical and moral conflicts.

 

[ksp]

Ok just a question. What is stopping someone from getting out of the sarco due to si kicking in? is it locked ,is it impossible to break out. ?

excellent questions!! unfortunately i don't know all the details about the sarco, but:

i'm almost sure that there will be a button to cancel the procedure, and eject safely if you change your mind

I've heard si can be powerful like a wolf in a trap chewing his leg off and they have.

I've read on here of several cases and talked to others in PM about their Si stopping them from ctb. Some have even said they've done it unconsciously. for example one person told me that they set up a generator in their room. but they unconsciously got up and opened the door got out.

We've seen many cases of people calling the hosptial after ingesting poison.

this is very important ! more important that many people realize

i meant to create a thread about the survival instinct (SI), but i didn't do it yet

SI is an instinct - it is not rational; everything you do from SI is automatic - you don't think about it, you just do it as reflexes take over your actions.

examples from this forum:

- partial hanging:
it's very probable that you will become unconscious, but you will get back up on your feet - without you realizing it - basic instinct that exists to keep you alive

- Voluntarily Stop Eating and Drinking (VSED) - the is especially difficult method!
you are torturing yourself, but even if you are mentally strong enough to go through it, eventually you will start to hallucinate - one person (on this forum) was 'saved' because they were screaming very loudly in their apartment, to the point where the neighbors called the police - it doesn't matter how much you want to end your life, the survival instinct will not allow you to do it

but the survival instinct is much stronger then anyone realizes: you breathe because of it, you eat, drink, and jump out of a fire because of it (even if your only other option is jumping to your death)

it's so embedded within all your body that even molecules fight for survival: when you have a heart attack, the cells in your heart stop working just to preserve your chances of survival

my point: normal people don't really have a chance to overcome it

the only chance to die is by painless voluntary euthanasia: nembutal / fentanyl / carfentanil or nitrogen

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my conclusion:
- life is irrational - all instincts are built to support life, all of them: hunger, fear, pain, etc
- all suicides are rational: you go against all your instincts, because of your intelligence - your unbearable perceived suffering

(sorry to deviate from your question)

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Would be great if it was brought into use. Dont think that will happen in the near future. To many ethical and moral conflicts.

it will happen, eventually - 10 to 20 years

i don't support impulsive suicide, but i do support individual autonomy: i own my life, and i'll take full responsibility for my actions: i don't need validation, approval, or understanding - just respect for my decisions

 

[MBG]

At long last! I've been watching this since the beginning, almost 7 years ago.

This will be just in time since I probably will need it (or similar like R2D ReBreather lll), within 3 years given average rate of my disease's progression.

I wonder how much they would charge to rent one by the hour???

 

[Meteora]

it will happen, eventually - 10 to 20 years

I dont consider 10 - 20 years as the near future.
10 years is too little. I m pretty sure it ll take many more years than just 10.

 

[ksp]

I wonder how much they would charge to rent one by the hour???

i don't think it will be as simple as that :)

the sarco needs to be part of a more complex system:
- delivery of nitrogen, disposal of waste
- legal proof of identity (and maybe witnesses)
- funeral arrangements, cremation, replacement of the coffin part
and whatever else i may have missed…

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I dont consider 10 - 20 years as the near future.
10 years is too little. I m pretty sure it ll take many more years than just 10.

i had to wait more than 30 years for Jack Kevorkian to become the news…

 

[MBG]

i don't think it will be as simple as that :)

the sarco needs to be part of a more complex system:
- delivery of nitrogen, disposal of waste
- legal proof of identity (and maybe witnesses)
- funeral arrangements, cremation, replacement of the coffin part
and whatever else i may have missed…

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i had to wait more than 30 years for Jack Kevorkian to become the news…

Reuse "the coffin part" just like we reuse hospital beds and gurneys on which patients die. All the rest can be part of a VAD service just like the other Swiss orgs (minus the medical services and charges). Rent a house or office space. One Sarco per bedroom/office. Serve multiple clients simultaneously.

"Take a number, please. Then stand at the end of the line…."

 

[020x]

I can imagine people in the future be like "my girlfriend broke up with me, I hate my life " get answered "the sarco bed is waiting for you ".

 

[ksp]

I can imagine people in the future be like "my girlfriend broke up with me, I hate my life " get answered "the sarco bed is waiting for you ".

lol

yes - futurama style booths :)

jokes aside, i think most people are very intelligent and capable of taking responsibility of their actions and decisions (see my other thread: all people that have EVER participated in this forum, are extremely intelligent)

 

[conarc]

Would be great if it was brought into use. Dont think that will happen in the near future. To many ethical and moral conflicts.

You mean to many economic interests from others.

 

[Das Nichts]

This will not be available for the common suicider. Nobody will be able to maintain a facility like this.
Also what should such a facility do with the corpses ?

 

[Captive_Mind515]

Does anyone else find it mildly amusing / ironic, that Dr. Nitschke's lasting legacy might be the creation of a world famous gas chamber to help provide a much needed solution for a section of humanity... and the man has a very Germanic sounding surname?

Maybe I just have a very strange sense of humour!?

 

[Das Nichts]

Does anyone else find it mildly amusing / ironic, that Dr. Nitschke's lasting legacy might be the creation of a world famous gas chamber to help provide a much needed solution for a section of humanity... and the man has a very Germanic sounding surname?

Maybe I just have a very strange sense of humour!?

Yeah well, it took some time for the nazis to figure how to do this in a way that does not inflict terror. And i very much doubt they gave a fuck about that.
So no, it's not funny at all.