the world is getting more right wing.

[unabletocope]

UK, US, France, Italy, Israel, Russia. i tend not to make political comments on here but the world is going more and more right wing and i genuinely wonder how it is going to play out, things will continue to get more dangerous i guess

 

[enduringwinter]

Yes and it's harming me directly but also it's just my horrible luck.

 

[unabletocope]

Yes and it's harming me directly but also it's just my horrible luck.

it affects us all. it's actually probably going to help me kill myself, i am more determined day by day

 

[enduringwinter]

it affects us all. it's actually probably going to help me kill myself, i am more determined day by day

Actually same... my situation was always hopeless but now it's like being kicked when I'm down. Like you I also don't care about politics but policy changes directly further ruins my already sad life so fast.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I kind of feel like it's the other way around and the world is becoming increasingly more left wing but that's likely because I only consume media instead of the news. I'm sure governments might be enacting increasingly right wing policies but I don't see it as a bad thing either way.

 

[Chinaski]

With regard to the US, UK and France the lurch to the right is a necessary function to shut out recent challenges to the political establishment (Sanders, Corbyn, Melenchon respectively) which gave it the biggest scare in decades and took a great deal of effort and pooling of power from the ruling classes to shut down and delegitimise. The pivot to the right is a necessary shift in order to narrow the confines of acceptable public discussion and reduce our electoral choices to a pick between a pinstriped neoliberal hawk and an outright fascist, both committed to maintaining the economic status quo and both committed to fend off an argument from the left. This does not mean those arguments disappear just because they fragment, the feeling of political apathy and helplessness is something the political class engineer in order to benefit but the shutting out of a democratic left will create dissent, people are still protesting the approval our govt is giving to an actual genocide, environmentalists are still engaging in extra-parliamentary politics, anti-poverty and anti-austerity campaigners will still be making a presence felt - in all three countries a leader will be elected reluctantly, as a least-worst option, and deepite their mandate they are already unpopular and the left will be seen taking their arguments to the streets in the absence of parliamentary and media legitimacy. The shift to the right we see at present is built on sand.

Israel is a different discussion tbf which will probably be had elsewhere but as a country it is not representative of a global shift, it is a US satellite state and a fundamentally racist, imperialist endeavour and acts accordingly, always has. Russia is similarly unrepresentative but it is worth noting that even within their sham democracy there have been candidates within the Russian Communist Party, itself a managed "opposition" headed by a horrible reactionary, who have used this joke party as a vehicle to engage in democracy as a means to establish a burgeoning, if stifled, left movement within Russia - the Russian left is probably stronger as a movement than those in the west would assume.

 

[unabletocope]

I kind of feel like it's the other way around and the world is becoming increasingly more left wing but that's likely because I only consume media instead of the news. I'm sure governments might be enacting increasingly right wing policies but I don't see it as a bad thing either way.

not seeing it. US elects Trump in november, UK is electing Starmer but deep down Farage is calling the shots hence his vote share going up so hard, France will eventually elect Le Pen, there will probably never be a Palestinian state and Russia will continue to call shots with Ukraine

With regard to the US, UK and France the lurch to the right is a necessary function to shut out recent challenges to the political establishment (Sanders, Corbyn, Melenchon respectively) which gave it the biggest scare in decades and took a great deal of effort and pooling of power from the ruling classes to shut down and delegitimise. The pivot to the right is a necessary shift in order to narrow the confines of acceptable public discussion and reduce our electoral choices to a pick between a pinstriped neoliberal hawk and an outright fascist, both committed to maintaining the economic status quo and both committed to fend off an argument from the left. This does not mean those arguments disappear just because they fragment, the feeling of political apathy and helplessness is something the political class engineer in order to benefit but the shutting out of a democratic left will create dissent, people are still protesting the approval our govt is giving to an actual genocide, environmentalists are still engaging in extra-parliamentary politics, anti-poverty and anti-austerity campaigners will still be making a presence felt - in all three countries a leader will be elected reluctantly, as a least-worst option, and deepite their mandate they are already unpopular and the left will be seen taking their arguments to the streets in the absence of parliamentary and media legitimacy. The shift to the right we see at present is built on sand.

Israel is a different discussion tbf which will probably be had elsewhere but as a country it is not representative of a global shift, it is a US satellite state and a fundamentally racist, imperialist endeavour and acts accordingly, always has. Russia is similarly unrepresentative but it is worth noting that even within their sham democracy there have been candidates within the Russian Communist Party, itself a managed "opposition" headed by a horrible reactionary, who have used this joke party as a vehicle to engage in democracy as a means to establish a burgeoning, if stifled, left movement within Russia - the Russian left is probably stronger as a movement than those in the west would assume.

i don't know what will happen but the extremes are mobilising, the US and the UK will go right wing quite hard by the end of the year

 

[Chinaski]

i don't know what will happen but the extremes are mobilising, the US and the UK will go right wing quite hard by the end of the year

The UK are going to elect a Labour government which will be the most right wing in the history of the party but Farage will not be PM. Biden may defeat Trump, but recent history tells us that neoliberal centrists prefer a fascist to a socialist, and this is the terrain they created, but just because the millions who supported Corbyn and Sanders are no longer part of the discussion by design does not mean they no longer exist.

 

[Onelegman]

And? We cannot live in a completely left-wing or right-wing world. What are you afraid of?

 

[enduringwinter]

^ That means it doesn't materially affect you.

Even if everything's the same and pendulum swings are temporary, the timing has always worked against me cruelly.

 

[unabletocope]

The UK are going to elect a Labour government which will be the most right wing in the history of the party but Farage will not be PM. Biden may defeat Trump, but recent history tells us that neoliberal centrists prefer a fascist to a socialist, and this is the terrain they created, but just because the millions who supported Corbyn and Sanders are no longer part of the discussion by design does not mean they no longer exist.

Farage is going to affect the way the UK goes pretty hard, he resonates with people and issues in ways that i think will lead to him being PM. already written off Trump v Biden, too many people are getting behind Trump

And? We cannot live in a completely left-wing or right-wing world. What are you afraid of?

sure, i just think we're all about to be caught up in a huge lurch to the right and i am quite nervous about it

 

[Chinaski]

Farage is going to affect the way the UK goes pretty hard, he resonates with people and issues in ways that i think will lead to him being PM. already written off Trump v Biden, too many people are getting behind Trump

I'm assuming from this you do not live in the uk, worth noting that for all the media attention Farage gets and the received wisdom that he is some icon to the docile, ignorant working class types he's stood for election as an MP seven times and never been elected to Parliament.

 

[avoid]

"things will continue to get more dangerous i guess"
"it's harming me directly"
"it affects us all"
"it's like being kicked when I'm down"

Can someone explain me the specifics, hopefully with a focus on European politics? For example, what kind of changes do you expect the (expected to be) elected right-wing officials to put into law that is dangerous and harms people?

 

[unabletocope]

I'm assuming from this you do not live in the uk, worth noting that for all the media attention Farage gets and the received wisdom that he is some icon to the docile, ignorant working class types he's stood for election as an MP seven times and never been elected to Parliament.

i live in the UK, he's going to win in Clacton.

"things will continue to get more dangerous i guess"
"it's harming me directly"
"it affects us all"
"it's like being kicked when I'm down"

Can someone explain me the specifics, hopefully with a focus on European politics? For example, what kind of changes do you expect the (expected to be) elected right-wing officials to put into law that is dangerous and harms people?

i think we're going to get very hard-line on things like immigration, in some ways i am not against that but i can see civil unrest breaking out in the future on the back of it. from what i know of France there is quite a strong anti-islam sentiment (i remember the 2015 attacks in Paris being quite a big deal)

 

[Chinaski]

Winning in clacton does not make him PM. Galloway won in Rochdale, he has no governmental power.

The fear of Reform is no different to the fear if UKIP before it, when those of us on the left were told that these hard right millionaires were the true Understanders of The Working Class. They had an absolutely disproportionate degree of sympathetic media coverage and won a total of 2 MPs. What is happening now is hard right Tories are switching from Tory to Reform. This does not detract from the fact that Corbyn won 40% of the vote in 2017 and lost, Starmer will win with much less, abd a significantly lower turnout. Hard right votes will switch from Tory to Reform, socialist voters will abstain or vote indy, soft tories and centrist hawks will vote Labour. What we're seeing is not a new thing, Farage is right wing populism just as Johnson was, just with a different party - the left have been deliberately disenfranchised from parliamentary politics but that does not mean we're going to get fascism by default, we haven't gone away.

 

[KillingPain267]

Another reason to ctb

 

[unabletocope]

Winning in clacton does not make him PM. Galloway won in Rochdale, he has no governmental power.

The fear of Reform is no different to the fear if UKIP before it, when those of us on the left were told that these hard right millionaires were the true Understanders of The Working Class. They had an absolutely disproportionate degree of sympathetic media coverage and won a total of 2 MPs. What is happening now is hard right Tories are switching from Tory to Reform. This does not detract from the fact that Corbyn won 40% of the vote in 2017 and lost, Starmer will win with much less, abd a significantly lower turnout. Hard right votes will switch from Tory to Reform, socialist voters will abstain or vote indy, soft tories and centrist hawks will vote Labour. What we're seeing is not a new thing, Farage is right wing populism just as Johnson was, just with a different party - the left have been deliberately disenfranchised from parliamentary politics but that does not mean we're going to get fascism by default, we haven't gone away.

i voted for Corbyn in 2017 and 19. i think the antisemitism smears and the way centrists refused to work with him screwed him over, very depressing situation. Boris to me is more of a centrist than a populist, he was never a firm Brexit supporter like Farage. all that being said, i think things are swinging in favour of the right, i take your point about Galloway but his party aren't hitting 24points in the polls over the Conservatives like Reform are. I also think when the Conservatives get crushed next month (let's put it like this, Sunak and Mordaunt will lose their seats) i think things will move quickly and Farage will defect, nothing is secure in the present and i think it's playing into the rights hands more than the lefts

 

[enduringwinter]

"things will continue to get more dangerous i guess"
"it's harming me directly"
"it affects us all"
"it's like being kicked when I'm down"

Can someone explain me the specifics, hopefully with a focus on European politics? For example, what kind of changes do you expect the (expected to be) elected right-wing officials to put into law that is dangerous and harms people?

For me it's quite simple. I do not have citizenship, I have tried to apply for one in the country I live in (a Western country) for many years and constant policy changes have invalidated all my applications. No, I do not have anywhere to go back to.

 

[Chinaski]

i voted for Corbyn in 2017 and 19. i think the antisemitism smears and the way centrists refused to work with him screwed him over, very depressing situation. Boris to me is more of a centrist than a populist, he was never a firm Brexit supporter like Farage. all that being said, i think things are swinging in favour of the right, i take your point about Galloway but his party aren't hitting 24points in the polls over the Conservatives like Reform are. I also think when the Conservatives get crushed next month (let's put it like this, Sunak and Mordaunt will lose their seats) i think things will move quickly and Farage will defect, nothing is secure in the present and i think it's playing into the rights hands more than the lefts

It is definitely playing more to the right than the left, l should be clearer here and say I'm not optimistic for the left given recent events, but l do believe the current right wing discourse is confected and engineered, rather than the natural order of things. We aren't moving to the right as a country, we always *were* right wing and are essentially governed by very right wing people and have been all of my life, l just think we're not *more* right wing, it just feels that way because of the engineered absence of the left as a player on the board - but people who supported Corbyn didn't die, and as Starmer tacks right to appease his Ml5 backers and racism is the national discourse, the discontent will begin and the left that is presently cowed will re-emerge, not necessarily in a powerful way but enough to expose the frailty of the current hard-right consensus which, without its media outriders, has a very soft underbelly imo

 

[Pessimist]

In certain parts of the world it is certainly the case. Communist states like China and Vietnam are still far-left tho.

 

[enduringwinter]

Communist states are not far left, they're far right and autocratic. Maybe they shouldn't be classified as far right and are just their own thing, sure but they certainly have nothing to do with the left, confused online people with hammer and sickle icons in their profile don't count, ignore them.

In similar veins, Trump is not right wing, it's the people who are. Politicians are all playing yo-yo with policies to garner votes.

People of the world are getting more hostile as a result of induced scarcity and other artificially enforced stuff in the past few years, this is nonconsequential for most except a few unlucky victims. It's like getting struck by lightning multiple times for me atp.

 

[Pessimist]

Communist states are not far left, they're far right and autocratic. Maybe they shouldn't be classified as far right and are just their own thing, sure but they certainly have nothing to do with the left, confused online people with hammer and sickle icons in their profile don't count, ignore them.

In similar veins, Trump is not right wing, it's the people who are. Politicians are all playing yo-yo with policies to garner votes.

People of the world are getting more hostile as a result of induced scarcity and other artificially enforced stuff in the past few years, this is nonconsequential for most except a few unlucky victims. It's like getting struck by lightning multiple times for me atp.

Communism is far-left, and authoritarianism isn't necessarily right-wing.

 

[T.W.O]

It's really complex, the world is currently fighting.

The wars definitely play a role in all of this, one things for sure, it's cyclical and things are ever-changing.

 

[unabletocope]

In certain parts of the world it is certainly the case. Communist states like China and Vietnam are still far-left tho.

China is authoritarian, since the 90s they have leaned more towards capitalism as well, i consider them a combination of communism and capitalism which is leaning more towards capitalism, the only true communist countries still around are Cuba and maybe Venezuela

In similar veins, Trump is not right wing, it's the people who are.

Trump is as right wing as it gets bar being libertarian

 

[Pessimist]

China is authoritarian, since the 90s they have leaned more towards capitalism as well, i consider them a combination of communism and capitalism which is leaning more towards capitalism, the only true communist countries still around are Cuba and maybe Venezuela

From Wikipedia: "A communist state, also known as a Marxist–Leninist state, is a one-party state that is administered and governed by a communist party guided by Marxism–Leninism". This would include China, which is a one-party state that is administered and governed by the far-left Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

 

[qw3rty259]

This would include China, which is a one-party state that is administered and governed by the far-left Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

Looks like you don't understand what communism is. The fact that there is one party in the country doesn't make it communist just because this party holds certain beliefs. For it to become communist they have to apply them in practice. But you won't see that as China is obviously using all fruits of the capitalist system. They maybe strive to become a communist state someday, but as of today it's faaar from it, lol. The absence of any opposition only makes it authoritarian.

 

[Artemisia]

These things are cyclic, to each more liberal phase follows a more repressive one and vice versa. When things start going too much to one extreme the other side of the spectrum starts fighting back, being more vocal and active. This wouldn't be a bad thing if humanity could find middle ground and stay there, but nope... Some people will push as far as they can and keep pushing until the other side starts pushing back again.
Europe has had a few years/decades of social liberalism that has come back to bite it. I can't really discuss what goes on in the USA or other parts of the world, but I think the rise of right wing parties here has mainly to do with the complete deregulation of immigration, the problems large numbers of people from very different cultures have caused and the draining of our social welfare institutions. In my country we pay and pay and pay to have access to "free" Healthcare, but any foreigner who has never paid a dime has access to it too. I had to go to the hospital last weekend and it's so bad I had to lie down on the floor as there were to available gurneys and I was in so much pain I couldn't stand or sit in a waiting room plastic chair (eventually they gave me a stuffed, office kind of chair). I think this is the main reason people are turning to the right here, unfortunetelly along with it go women's, lgbtq and minorities rights. For some reason all these issues end up bundled together.

 

[Pessimist]

Looks like you don't understand what communism is. The fact that there is one party in the country doesn't make it communist just because this party holds certain beliefs. For it to become communist they have to apply them in practice.

They are applying a lot of it in practice. That's enough to make it communist and far-left.

 

[qw3rty259]

They are applying a lot of it in practice. That's enough to make it communist and far-left.

Lol, I can tell you that I'm gay and then go sleep with women. Does it make me gay? It doesn't. If you want, fall for it and see them as they want themselves to be seen. You're understanding it yourself, that the "communist" prefix in this case doesn't mean (almost) anything on practice as they say it themselves.
Sweden, for example, is much closer to those socialist standards than any of the states listed to be "communist", and yet they don't call themselves like that.
In short, it's just a part of their propaganda

 

[unabletocope]

From Wikipedia: "A communist state, also known as a Marxist–Leninist state, is a one-party state that is administered and governed by a communist party guided by Marxism–Leninism". This would include China, which is a one-party state that is administered and governed by the far-left Chinese Communist Party (CCP).

i stand by my initial comment i am afraid, nothing i initially said is wrong and can easily be found on wikipedia if you can be bothered to read up on modern China in the last 30 years