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Darkover

Darkover

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Our lives are the only things we truly own. We did not choose to be born, yet from the moment we arrive, we are subjected to rules, expectations, and obligations imposed by society and the state. Governments claim authority over our bodies and choices, dictating what we can do with our own existence—whether it's where we live, how we work, or even whether we are allowed to exit life on our own terms.

But autonomy is the foundation of true freedom. If we do not have sovereignty over our own existence, then what freedom do we really have? The government does not experience our pain, our suffering, or our burdens—yet it presumes the right to tell us that we must endure them. Laws against assisted suicide, for example, are not about protecting individuals; they are about maintaining control, ensuring that people remain functional cogs in the system, regardless of their personal suffering.

To say "these are our lives" is not just a statement of belief—it is a fact. No government, no institution, no ideology should have the right to dictate what a person must endure. The ultimate act of self-ownership is the ability to decide whether to continue existing. Anything less is forced servitude to a system that sees people not as individuals, but as resources to be managed.

The idea of "human rights" is often framed as a universal truth, but in reality, they exist only as privileges granted by those in power. If rights were inherent, they wouldn't need enforcement, nor could they be revoked, ignored, or manipulated by governments. What we call "rights" are, in practice, permissions—given conditionally, often in ways that serve economic and political interests rather than individual well-being.

The most glaring hypocrisy is the so-called "right to life." Governments use it to justify restricting euthanasia and assisted suicide, yet they have no problem sending people to war, allowing poverty to destroy lives, or letting medical systems fail those who are suffering. If life is a right, then shouldn't it belong entirely to the individual? If we are forced to endure suffering with no way out, then what we have is not a right to life but a mandate to exist—whether we want to or not.

A true right to life would include the right to end it, free from interference. Otherwise, "human rights" are just another form of control, dressed up in moral language to keep people obedient.

If human rights were truly about dignity and autonomy, they would prioritize individual choice above all else. The fact that governments enforce a "duty to live" rather than a genuine right to self-determination exposes the illusion. A right that cannot be freely exercised is not a right at all—it is a condition imposed by those in power. Until the right to exit life is recognized as fundamental, "human rights" will remain what they have always been: a carefully constructed illusion designed to keep people in line, not to set them free.
 
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Damn that's good. Very well said.
 
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Forever Sleep

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It's actually pretty surprising how recently (comparitively speaking) the act of suicide was legalised in the UK. (1961.)

It's a tricky subject really. Ok- they don't make it easy for us. They do make the most peaceful methods illegal. Obviously, I would prefer it if they would provide assisted suicide in order that they could regulate it. However, it wouldn't just be our governments who would oppose it being available to the majority of people, it would likely be our families too. Likely, the majority of the population would oppose that.

Really though- discreet and sadly, risky suicide, they can't do an awful lot to stop. The police officers didn't confiscate my SN during the welfare check. Presumably because I didn't give them enough concern that I should be sectioned. Plus, suicide isn't illegal.

It's problematic though because, presumably some people do commit it during a psychotic episode so presumably- they do have some duty to figure out whether a person is of sound mind- if they are given the opportunity to intervene in an attempt.
 
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You write so eloquently! Unfortunately the price of participating in society and reaping its benefits (eg., infrastructure, technology, conveniences) is the sacrifice of some freedoms and forced adherence to rules, but even if there was a situation w absolutely no government interference, we still wouldn't be truly free bc we're prisoners to biological needs. We'd still need to procure food and water, heal from diseases/injuries, shelter from the elements, etc. Just existing in a tangible form means by default, true freedom will never be a thing. Yes I hate the government too, but physical existence is the root of us feeling powerless.
 
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You write so eloquently! Unfortunately the price of participating in society and reaping its benefits (eg., infrastructure, technology, conveniences) is the sacrifice of some freedoms and forced adherence to rules, but even if there was a situation w absolutely no government interference, we still wouldn't be truly free bc we're prisoners to biological needs. We'd still need to procure food and water, heal from diseases/injuries, shelter from the elements, etc. Just existing in a tangible form means by default, true freedom will never be a thing. Yes I hate the government too, but physical existence is the root of us feeling powerless.
Governments claim ownership over our lives, but even if they didn't, nature itself would. We don't get to choose whether we have needs, and we don't get to opt out of suffering—it's built into the system at the most fundamental level. Life itself is the problem, not just the institutions that claim authority over it. This is why "freedom" is, at best, a spectrum rather than an absolute. The only true escape from powerlessness would be nonexistence, yet that, too, is controlled—not just by governments but by the biological drive to survive, which keeps us trapped in a cycle of suffering even when we desperately want out.
 
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Governments claim ownership over our lives, but even if they didn't, nature itself would. We don't get to choose whether we have needs, and we don't get to opt out of suffering—it's built into the system at the most fundamental level. Life itself is the problem, not just the institutions that claim authority over it. This is why "freedom" is, at best, a spectrum rather than an absolute. The only true escape from powerlessness would be nonexistence, yet that, too, is controlled—not just by governments but by the biological drive to survive, which keeps us trapped in a cycle of suffering even when we desperately want out.
Yes you have the perfect words to materialize the thoughts that so many of us have! I made my comment before learning that you'd actually already addressed exactly what I said in another of your posts, and you elaborated on it so much more gracefully and with far better precision. I hope you continue writing bc your posts are thoughtful and wonderful to read.
 
SilentSadness

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Like everything in this society, human rights are unfortunately negotiable. They are just a bargaining chip. You have a "right to food" but that doesn't stop retailers charging you a considerable portion of your income for basic necessities. You have a "right to education" but the education system is a waste of time and teaches nothing. You have a "right to life" but you can't choose to do anything with it, instead you have been born as a cog in the machine and you can never say no, because you have a "right to not be held in slavery or subjected to torture" but of course living in this world and being forced to pay people to mistreat you is the worst torture. As long as people can't even choose to die to escape the extreme torture of life, I find it laughable and not serious that we have human rights.
 
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Like everything in this society, human rights are unfortunately negotiable. They are just a bargaining chip. You have a "right to food" but that doesn't stop retailers charging you a considerable portion of your income for basic necessities. You have a "right to education" but the education system is a waste of time and teaches nothing. You have a "right to life" but you can't choose to do anything with it, instead you have been born as a cog in the machine and you can never say no, because you have a "right to not be held in slavery or subjected to torture" but of course living in this world and being forced to pay people to mistreat you is the worst torture. As long as people can't even choose to die to escape the extreme torture of life, I find it laughable and not serious that we have human rights.
Human rights, as they exist in practice, are just another illusion—something governments and institutions dangle in front of people to maintain the appearance of fairness while ensuring the system stays intact. They aren't absolute protections; they're privileges, granted or revoked based on economic and political convenience.

The so-called "right to food" doesn't mean you get food—it means you have the opportunity to struggle for it, and if you can't afford it, too bad. The "right to education" ensures you sit in a classroom for years, but it doesn't guarantee you learn anything meaningful or gain skills that actually help you in life. The "right to life" isn't about living freely; it's about keeping you alive just enough to remain a productive cog in the system, whether you want to or not.
 
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I live in the US. Whenever I hear "America is a free country", I start thinking, Yeah, free to do what the government allows you to do... Here is a quote from philosopher Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860). There is obviously nothing in the world over which every person has such an indisputable right as their own person and life.
 
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Governments claim ownership over our lives, but even if they didn't, nature itself would. We don't get to choose whether we have needs, and we don't get to opt out of suffering—it's built into the system at the most fundamental level. Life itself is the problem, not just the institutions that claim authority over it. This is why "freedom" is, at best, a spectrum rather than an absolute. The only true escape from powerlessness would be nonexistence, yet that, too, is controlled—not just by governments but by the biological drive to survive, which keeps us trapped in a cycle of suffering even when we desperately want out.
Yeah, and that's exactly what is keeping me alive until now and making me writing this reply possible, lol. The worst is that yesterday I felt such a strong will to ctb or something like that because, you know, I was at college (idk if it's used in, on or at in this case :/), in my matter inscription (tried to translate "inscrição de disciplinas" lol) and all that speech of need to get involved with the students and get networks, and I was seeing no more sense in all that shit, I just felt non belonged to the world, and even that way I wasn't be able to ctb so could just finnish this craziness because..... i dont rlly know why i didnt do that, and i hate it, cause being alive it's being a shit
 
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Our lives are the only things we truly own. We did not choose to be born, yet from the moment we arrive, we are subjected to rules, expectations, and obligations imposed by society and the state. Governments claim authority over our bodies and choices, dictating what we can do with our own existence—whether it's where we live, how we work, or even whether we are allowed to exit life on our own terms.

But autonomy is the foundation of true freedom. If we do not have sovereignty over our own existence, then what freedom do we really have? The government does not experience our pain, our suffering, or our burdens—yet it presumes the right to tell us that we must endure them. Laws against assisted suicide, for example, are not about protecting individuals; they are about maintaining control, ensuring that people remain functional cogs in the system, regardless of their personal suffering.

To say "these are our lives" is not just a statement of belief—it is a fact. No government, no institution, no ideology should have the right to dictate what a person must endure. The ultimate act of self-ownership is the ability to decide whether to continue existing. Anything less is forced servitude to a system that sees people not as individuals, but as resources to be managed.

The idea of "human rights" is often framed as a universal truth, but in reality, they exist only as privileges granted by those in power. If rights were inherent, they wouldn't need enforcement, nor could they be revoked, ignored, or manipulated by governments. What we call "rights" are, in practice, permissions—given conditionally, often in ways that serve economic and political interests rather than individual well-being.

The most glaring hypocrisy is the so-called "right to life." Governments use it to justify restricting euthanasia and assisted suicide, yet they have no problem sending people to war, allowing poverty to destroy lives, or letting medical systems fail those who are suffering. If life is a right, then shouldn't it belong entirely to the individual? If we are forced to endure suffering with no way out, then what we have is not a right to life but a mandate to exist—whether we want to or not.

A true right to life would include the right to end it, free from interference. Otherwise, "human rights" are just another form of control, dressed up in moral language to keep people obedient.

If human rights were truly about dignity and autonomy, they would prioritize individual choice above all else. The fact that governments enforce a "duty to live" rather than a genuine right to self-determination exposes the illusion. A right that cannot be freely exercised is not a right at all—it is a condition imposed by those in power. Until the right to exit life is recognized as fundamental, "human rights" will remain what they have always been: a carefully constructed illusion designed to keep people in line, not to set them free.
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Our lives are the only things we truly own. We did not choose to be born, yet from the moment we arrive, we are subjected to rules, expectations, and obligations imposed by society and the state. Governments claim authority over our bodies and choices, dictating what we can do with our own existence—whether it's where we live, how we work, or even whether we are allowed to exit life on our own terms.

But autonomy is the foundation of true freedom. If we do not have sovereignty over our own existence, then what freedom do we really have? The government does not experience our pain, our suffering, or our burdens—yet it presumes the right to tell us that we must endure them. Laws against assisted suicide, for example, are not about protecting individuals; they are about maintaining control, ensuring that people remain functional cogs in the system, regardless of their personal suffering.

To say "these are our lives" is not just a statement of belief—it is a fact. No government, no institution, no ideology should have the right to dictate what a person must endure. The ultimate act of self-ownership is the ability to decide whether to continue existing. Anything less is forced servitude to a system that sees people not as individuals, but as resources to be managed.

The idea of "human rights" is often framed as a universal truth, but in reality, they exist only as privileges granted by those in power. If rights were inherent, they wouldn't need enforcement, nor could they be revoked, ignored, or manipulated by governments. What we call "rights" are, in practice, permissions—given conditionally, often in ways that serve economic and political interests rather than individual well-being.

The most glaring hypocrisy is the so-called "right to life." Governments use it to justify restricting euthanasia and assisted suicide, yet they have no problem sending people to war, allowing poverty to destroy lives, or letting medical systems fail those who are suffering. If life is a right, then shouldn't it belong entirely to the individual? If we are forced to endure suffering with no way out, then what we have is not a right to life but a mandate to exist—whether we want to or not.

A true right to life would include the right to end it, free from interference. Otherwise, "human rights" are just another form of control, dressed up in moral language to keep people obedient.

If human rights were truly about dignity and autonomy, they would prioritize individual choice above all else. The fact that governments enforce a "duty to live" rather than a genuine right to self-determination exposes the illusion. A right that cannot be freely exercised is not a right at all—it is a condition imposed by those in power. Until the right to exit life is recognized as fundamental, "human rights" will remain what they have always been: a carefully constructed illusion designed to keep people in line, not to set them free.
but at the same time you expect your goverment to protect you from all danger, provide everything you need, but they cant require anything from you because its your life, not theirs huh? Looks like you want your goverment to be your slave.

If goverment already invested in you, by providing you stuff then its logical that they dont want you just simply die, but instead you need to work to repay society for what it gave you. Goverment simply doesnt have any interest in keeping you happy by providing you a comfy and easy way to end your life - it would be literally against goverment interest. You already have freedom to end your life and nobody is taking it from you. What you don't have is actual service to do it more easly for which other people would need to pay with their taxes. Would that be fair to them? To pay their money just to provide you with easier ways to kill youself? I know it may be hard for many people to understand that goverment dont create money from the sky, but that is the truth - other people would need to pay for your easy way out
 
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but at the same time you expect your goverment to protect you from all danger, provide everything you need, but they cant require anything from you because its your life, not theirs huh? Looks like you want your goverment to be your slave.

If goverment already invested in you, by providing you stuff then its logical that they dont want you just simply die, but instead you need to work to repay society for what it gave you. Goverment simply doesnt have any interest in keeping you happy by providing you a comfy and easy way to end your life - it would be literally against goverment interest. You already have freedom to end your life and nobody is taking it from you. What you don't have is actual service to do it more easly for which other people would need to pay with their taxes. Would that be fair to them? To pay their money just to provide you with easier ways to kill youself? I know it may be hard for many people to understand that goverment dont create money from the sky, but that is the truth - other people would need to pay for your easy way out
If the state claims ownership over people's lives because of the services it provides, then we are not free citizens—we are property. That perspective essentially justifies forced labor under the guise of "repaying society." But true freedom means having the ability to opt out, not just the illusion of choice within state-approved boundaries.


As for the economic argument—assisted suicide would likely save money. Prolonging suffering is expensive. Medical costs for terminal patients, mental health treatments, and emergency interventions cost taxpayers far more than a simple, humane exit. Countries that allow assisted dying (like Switzerland and Canada) have shown that it's not an economic drain—it actually reduces strain on healthcare systems.


And let's be clear: the argument that "you already have the freedom to end your life" ignores the reality that governments actively criminalize and obstruct rational suicide. They interfere by restricting access to painless methods, forcing people into violent and traumatic means, or even reviving people against their will. If people truly had this freedom, we wouldn't see institutions trying so hard to prevent it.


So, no—expecting basic autonomy isn't the same as expecting the government to be a "slave." It's demanding that the state recognize individuals as more than just economic units to be exploited.
 
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Lights out please
Oct 29, 2023
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Our lives are the only things we truly own. We did not choose to be born, yet from the moment we arrive, we are subjected to rules, expectations, and obligations imposed by society and the state. Governments claim authority over our bodies and choices, dictating what we can do with our own existence—whether it's where we live, how we work, or even whether we are allowed to exit life on our own terms.

But autonomy is the foundation of true freedom. If we do not have sovereignty over our own existence, then what freedom do we really have? The government does not experience our pain, our suffering, or our burdens—yet it presumes the right to tell us that we must endure them. Laws against assisted suicide, for example, are not about protecting individuals; they are about maintaining control, ensuring that people remain functional cogs in the system, regardless of their personal suffering.

To say "these are our lives" is not just a statement of belief—it is a fact. No government, no institution, no ideology should have the right to dictate what a person must endure. The ultimate act of self-ownership is the ability to decide whether to continue existing. Anything less is forced servitude to a system that sees people not as individuals, but as resources to be managed.

The idea of "human rights" is often framed as a universal truth, but in reality, they exist only as privileges granted by those in power. If rights were inherent, they wouldn't need enforcement, nor could they be revoked, ignored, or manipulated by governments. What we call "rights" are, in practice, permissions—given conditionally, often in ways that serve economic and political interests rather than individual well-being.

The most glaring hypocrisy is the so-called "right to life." Governments use it to justify restricting euthanasia and assisted suicide, yet they have no problem sending people to war, allowing poverty to destroy lives, or letting medical systems fail those who are suffering. If life is a right, then shouldn't it belong entirely to the individual? If we are forced to endure suffering with no way out, then what we have is not a right to life but a mandate to exist—whether we want to or not.

A true right to life would include the right to end it, free from interference. Otherwise, "human rights" are just another form of control, dressed up in moral language to keep people obedient.

If human rights were truly about dignity and autonomy, they would prioritize individual choice above all else. The fact that governments enforce a "duty to live" rather than a genuine right to self-determination exposes the illusion. A right that cannot be freely exercised is not a right at all—it is a condition imposed by those in power. Until the right to exit life is recognized as fundamental, "human rights" will remain what they have always been: a carefully constructed illusion designed to keep people in line, not to set them free.
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Our lives are the only things we truly own. We did not choose to be born, yet from the moment we arrive, we are subjected to rules, expectations, and obligations imposed by society and the state. Governments claim authority over our bodies and choices, dictating what we can do with our own existence—whether it's where we live, how we work, or even whether we are allowed to exit life on our own terms.

But autonomy is the foundation of true freedom. If we do not have sovereignty over our own existence, then what freedom do we really have? The government does not experience our pain, our suffering, or our burdens—yet it presumes the right to tell us that we must endure them. Laws against assisted suicide, for example, are not about protecting individuals; they are about maintaining control, ensuring that people remain functional cogs in the system, regardless of their personal suffering.

To say "these are our lives" is not just a statement of belief—it is a fact. No government, no institution, no ideology should have the right to dictate what a person must endure. The ultimate act of self-ownership is the ability to decide whether to continue existing. Anything less is forced servitude to a system that sees people not as individuals, but as resources to be managed.

The idea of "human rights" is often framed as a universal truth, but in reality, they exist only as privileges granted by those in power. If rights were inherent, they wouldn't need enforcement, nor could they be revoked, ignored, or manipulated by governments. What we call "rights" are, in practice, permissions—given conditionally, often in ways that serve economic and political interests rather than individual well-being.

The most glaring hypocrisy is the so-called "right to life." Governments use it to justify restricting euthanasia and assisted suicide, yet they have no problem sending people to war, allowing poverty to destroy lives, or letting medical systems fail those who are suffering. If life is a right, then shouldn't it belong entirely to the individual? If we are forced to endure suffering with no way out, then what we have is not a right to life but a mandate to exist—whether we want to or not.

A true right to life would include the right to end it, free from interference. Otherwise, "human rights" are just another form of control, dressed up in moral language to keep people obedient.

If human rights were truly about dignity and autonomy, they would prioritize individual choice above all else. The fact that governments enforce a "duty to live" rather than a genuine right to self-determination exposes the illusion. A right that cannot be freely exercised is not a right at all—it is a condition imposed by those in power. Until the right to exit life is recognized as fundamental, "human rights" will remain what they have always been: a carefully constructed illusion designed to keep people in line, not to set them free.

"Our lives are the only things we truly own".
Agree 💯!

Also, I believe that Trumps attack on DEI (Diversity, Equality, Inclusion) hides his real goal, which is to give corporations more power.
 
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