Venting this is what the occult says about suicide and it worries me

[dune7263]

"*
Unless they are very advanced souls or extremely evil souls, they will reincarnate. Suicides, however, suffer a very tragic fate.

So what happens to us when we die often depends on how we die but generally - for a period of up to 3 days we go through a review where we view our life backwards. During this time, our astral and spirit bodies are still somewhat connected to the physical body via the etheric body. It is best to avoid cremation, embalming during this time.

Then the etheric imprints on your astral body following the review your "karma" and your etheric detaches from your physical and astral body and starts to dissolve back into the cosmic ether.

After that, you start Kama Loka, which is a "purging" or purification process, what the Christians call purgatory.

This lasts about 1/3 of how long you lived. During this time your soul is purified of negative karma - if you are an extremely evil person far more evil than say even Nestle, then your astral body may not have anything to redeem and you would not reincarnate but instead, your spirit would return to Chaos to await a new epoch.

Most of us just reincarnate. If we are really advanced, we no longer reincarnate and instead, work from the astral world to advance humanity.

A suicide is different. When we see a suicide with clairvoyant vision, it is truly sad - immediately after, the astral body and spirit are trying to "flee" back into the astral world to start Kama Loka.

The etheric is still WAY TOO STRONG and so it keeps your astral body and spirit tied to the physical body and in extreme cases, we see the etheric trying desperately to put the physical body back together.

After a while, the astral body and spirit take control of the etheric body and they wonder around feeling completely hollow until the "clock" runs out. Basically we all have some set time we are going to live - which can be increased or decrease somewhat based on one's ability to tap into etheric substances (the force that gives life to the material world). After the time runs out the etheric body dissolves enough for the astral body to be released and begin Kama Loka.

But here's the kicker - the review is completely missed with most suicides, so NO KARMA lessons are imprinted on the astral body - you literally "learn nothing" from this life and so suicides are generally destined to forego Kama Loka and reincarnate very quickly ALMOST INTO IDENTICAL CIRCUMSTANCES to restart what they should have learned in this life.*"

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Is this what you believe?

 

[SilentSadness]

I don't believe in any of this, so no need to worry. In my view we are transported to a dream reality upon death, otherwise we just cease existing forever.

 

[escape_from_hell]

Can any of the spiritualist guru manbunners explain what the 'lessons' are for, what they mean, how they are applied?
All the lessons I learn in life are too little, too late. Is that different in the hereafter?
Just an example will do. Like "it was NECESSARY to come into a corporeal body and learn that you made a shitty choice when you said something mean to your friend. This could not have been understood without coming to earth with amnesia and making horrible mistakes and suffering for them if you were in your high-energy special vibration frequency enlightened special state."

Over and over with the lessunz stuff. Life is worth living, why? Lessunz! Okay, fair...lay out the mechanics, anyone, please? Earnest question. Because it's an earnest question, I'd really appreciate an earnest response beyond suggestions to open your mind/soul/heart/meditate on it for revelations. Just any sort of attempt at a coherent answer, please.

 

[dune7263]

Is this what you believe?

it says super detailed and my head is telling me it's believable

 

[Shadow_]

Look. What you believe is what you believe. But here's the scoop and I'm gonna tell you. Why would suicide be the exception to learning new things and be reincarnated? (Side note, why do YOU believe Nestle is so bad). Why is true evil even a thing, why can those people not be redeemed? Why are they amongst at all? Why would we continue on this earth, and how can that be possible while looking at a population chart? Who is in charge of new souls? Why do children die? Did they do something wrong in a previous life? They wouldn't be able to comprehend it. Why do infants get sick with diseases that will disfigure them? They didn't have a chance to do wrong. Even if a previous life did wrong, how can that be justified to the suffering of this one, if you can't understand how that happened?

 

[Hollowman]

We're all going nowhere for eternity..the end.

 

[divinemistress36]

Although I believe in some supernatural stuff. The teachings of the Occult can have some weird teachings. If our soul came here to learn and experience then we should be able to leave when we are done wanting to be in this Hell realm and if we do reincarnate it should be up to our own soul not as a punishment. Everyone learns something from this life even if they check out early

 

[pauly369]

"*
Unless they are very advanced souls or extremely evil souls, they will reincarnate. Suicides, however, suffer a very tragic fate.

So what happens to us when we die often depends on how we die but generally - for a period of up to 3 days we go through a review where we view our life backwards. During this time, our astral and spirit bodies are still somewhat connected to the physical body via the etheric body. It is best to avoid cremation, embalming during this time.

Then the etheric imprints on your astral body following the review your "karma" and your etheric detaches from your physical and astral body and starts to dissolve back into the cosmic ether.

After that, you start Kama Loka, which is a "purging" or purification process, what the Christians call purgatory.

This lasts about 1/3 of how long you lived. During this time your soul is purified of negative karma - if you are an extremely evil person far more evil than say even Nestle, then your astral body may not have anything to redeem and you would not reincarnate but instead, your spirit would return to Chaos to await a new epoch.

Most of us just reincarnate. If we are really advanced, we no longer reincarnate and instead, work from the astral world to advance humanity.

A suicide is different. When we see a suicide with clairvoyant vision, it is truly sad - immediately after, the astral body and spirit are trying to "flee" back into the astral world to start Kama Loka.

The etheric is still WAY TOO STRONG and so it keeps your astral body and spirit tied to the physical body and in extreme cases, we see the etheric trying desperately to put the physical body back together.

After a while, the astral body and spirit take control of the etheric body and they wonder around feeling completely hollow until the "clock" runs out. Basically we all have some set time we are going to live - which can be increased or decrease somewhat based on one's ability to tap into etheric substances (the force that gives life to the material world). After the time runs out the etheric body dissolves enough for the astral body to be released and begin Kama Loka.

But here's the kicker - the review is completely missed with most suicides, so NO KARMA lessons are imprinted on the astral body - you literally "learn nothing" from this life and so suicides are generally destined to forego Kama Loka and reincarnate very quickly ALMOST INTO IDENTICAL CIRCUMSTANCES to restart what they should have learned in this life.*"

Thich Quang Duch - A buddhist monk set himself on fire in the 1960s.
A friend of the Buddha ( cant remember his name ) also comitted suicide.
The buddha didnt judge the friend who commited suicide.
I remember reading the story in one of the suttas years ago , sorry cant remember which one it was.
I used to meditate a lot in the past until I had to stop because I triggered negative Kundalini energy, and I know things like the astral body exists.
But Im still very much in the dark as regards reincarnation.
I have always avoided the subject of reincarnation because such a thing to me is horrific.
One lifetime is more than enough for me thank you very much.

 

[lonergirl_26]

Do you truly believe in it? I fully believe that if you don't believe in something it just won't happened. I think all religions and belief systems have a "suicide is bad. If you do it you're going to hell" type thing. I think it's up to personal beliefs.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

it says super detailed and my head is telling me it's believable

I'm so glad my head tells me otherwise. But, you do you.

 

[Ligottian]

Some fundamentalist churches have their own versions of public haunted houses at Halloween. They have a Hell theme. I've never been to one, but I think the Big Three that are enjoying eternity in our loving God's basement are suicides, atheists, and women who have had abortions. Sometimes a mock version of the abortion procedure is present.

 

[Gustav Hartmann]

So suicides will commit suicide again and again. For masochistic suicides this would be a never ending heaven. Even more enjoyable than Christian hell.

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Not to be rude, but I don't get how people can believe in stuff like this. I mean, for one, where is your evidence for any of this even being true? Then again, I feel like my views generally tend to lean more in favour of materialism (though maybe I'm wrong. Philosophy is not one of my strong suits) so stuff like this just sounds like a whole load of horseshit to me.

 

[dune7263]

Do you truly believe in it? I fully believe that if you don't believe in something it just won't happened. I think all religions and belief systems have a "suicide is bad. If you do it you're going to hell" type thing. I think it's up to personal beliefs.

I am kind of mixed on it

 

[Blueberry Panic]

Sounds made up just like any other religion but thanks for the interesting read

 

[grapevoid]

Although I believe in some supernatural stuff. The teachings of the Occult can have some weird teachings. If our soul came here to learn and experience then we should be able to leave when we are done wanting to be in this Hell realm and if we do reincarnate it should be up to our own soul not as a punishment. Everyone learns something from this life even if they check out early

AND wouldn't the suicide in itself be a part of your learned experience? The pain and suffering that led you there and facing the decision, would all be useful lessons to have imprinted on your "soul" If reincarnation is a thing, I'd bet that's where most very empathetic people have become so.. going through hell and learning not only how it feels but how to truly connect, love, and guide their fellow beings in their future existences.

 

[divinemistress36]

AND wouldn't the suicide in itself be a part of your learned experience? The pain and suffering that led you there and facing the decision, would all be useful lessons to have imprinted on your "soul" If reincarnation is a thing, I'd bet that's where most very empathetic people have become so.. going through hell and learning not only how it feels but how to truly connect, love, and guide their fellow beings in their future existences.

True. If a soul comes here to learn lessons in multiple lifetimes. Suicide is bound to be in one of those lifetimes

 

[Whale_bones]

This belief system seems to mark every suicide the same- with words like "truly sad" and "hollow", it's assuming that every suicide is wrong, tragic and before their time.

But there are plenty of people with terminal illnesses who are soon to die anyways, and they go a couple months earlier through euthanasia. Do they still get this astral punishment? Most people in that position have already learned the "lesson" of nonstop physical pain.

The idea of learning lessons and being reincarnated because of your past choices means that all of us who have gotten terrible luck in this life must have been monsters in our past ones. But as another member mentioned, babies, toddlers and young kids are afflicted with terribly painful conditions, then die before they're old enough to even understand what's going on.

IMO the random, meaningless suffering of this world shows that humans aren't under some big supernatural system of learning lessons. You either learn the lessons of this life while you're in it, or you don't learn them at all.

 

[Life'sA6itch]

I don't believe in any of this, so no need to worry. In my view we are transported to a dream reality upon death, otherwise we just cease existing forever.

I don't believe any of this either

 

[thenamingofcats]

We have suffered enough. There is no reason suicide victims would need to be punished further.

 

[opheliaoveragain]

this was interesting to read, i've been in a certain practice for years, and this just doesn't feel right to me. call it bias, but i've been close to many that are gone now. sometimes the way out is hectic but ultimately I believe we achieve peace once off this plain, whatever that means to each person.

 

[Dr. Finklestein]

we humans always give ourselves so much credit…we're just not that smart. If we accumulated all our knowledge we just barely scratch a few splinters from the tree of existence. We just don't know.

 

[BeijaFlor]

it's kinda ironic how pretty much, if not all religious beliefs/doctrines chastises suicide...

just something to think about...

i mean, why would someone who chose to end their lives due to constant suffering would be punished in the afterlife? it sounds ridiculous...

if anything, n if there is such a afterlife, ones soul should be in a state of immediate care and attention by higher beings full of love and understanding, not the other way around

 

[bananaolympus]

Very interesting reading even though im completely open minded about this things i don't usually read about the occult beliefs after death, this is similar to samsara if you kill yourself you get negative karma and reincarnate having learned nothing in a similar or worse condition

 

[notreallybored]

ב''ה, one of those weird Roman inventions, though pulled vaguely from maybe Zoroastrianism or other traditions, is this divinely comedic idea of exchanging any concerns in this life (the guy named Savior in their story might do that) for an eternity of punishment later, for a game of telephone modified set of loosely-inspired-by-what-Israel-has laws that served Roman administrative interests and a different idea of ethics: e.g. Judaism has divorce, but the original recipe of C_____ianity doesn't because that goes against all the mandatory love they tautologically declare existing while the tradition exists is.

Judaism is extremely wacky, not without problems, and maybe only makes sense with the heritage or if incredibly drawn to it (though I've known people to go in for fetishistic reasons and G-d sure does stuff I guess), and yet for all the difficulty, there's some weird truth to the 'on the path between the creation of this fucked up universe and its perfection G-d sure doesn't make everyone happy all the time until the project is finished.'

I've ended up the cranky older guy on this, but oddly for staring into it, Judaism gives a functioning middle eastern theocentric state that's vaguely forgiving by middle eastern standards, and church stuff is kind of a transactional bordello of forgiveness/"love" with a subscription fee, albeit somewhat different than ancient Israeli taxes, wherein the offer is 'how do you feel about an afterlife of suffering?' compared to 'how about you get good ASAP before G-d curses us in life.'

Getting a few minutes of something bad NDE-like while questioning the traditions and leaning the wrong way for me.. took a while to realize that was an "is *that* what you really want to believe in?" answer.

That said I'm not digging this COVID and increasingly janky healthcare timeline either.

Time to go pray on it while I can.

 

[needthebus]

I feel like these ideas are made-up stuff that people wish were true.

It would be nice from most people's perspectives if after death people reincarnated and could live again. It would be nice, many would feel, if bad people suffered, but learned, in some purgatory. It would be nice, many would believe, if a few really bad people were occasionally totally obliterated, but only if fair.

Religions often seem to be consensuses of people's illogical hopes blended with a fictionalized narrative of those hopes being true.

There is no evidence to support any religions, any occult karmic stuff, and often believing in it is either a sign of brain damage, being fantasy prone, or being gullible, or perhaps just being among the many who use religion to try to feel better about the cruel realities of the world.

Also, many people are religious, so on some level perhaps life is so painful that when faced with reality people are more likely to die or commit suicide. In other words, religion may be "adaptive" evolutionarily because the world is so cruel.