Discussion USA election - a note from staff

[rainwillneverstop]

LBGTQ Crisis Line Reports Nearly 200% Increase in Election-Related Calls From Queer and Trans Youth

Staff understand that the election results have caused a lot of fear in people, and understand the valid reasons for distress.
No one knows at the moment, what is going to happen or what policies are going to be implemented, and exactly how people will be affected yet.

• Will people lose their rights?
• Will vulnerable people receive more abuse?
• Will people lose support which is keeping them holding on right now?

Uncertainty is scary.

One of the best things about SaSu is the compassion and empathy that members offer each other.
People are here for each other, and make each other feel seen and heard.
For anyone struggling; try not to process what you are feeling alone. Stay connected with supportive people on-site, irl and any support organizations that you use.
Finding community can help ease some of the loneliness and isolation that often follows distressing news like these.
There are obviously lots of horror stories of what "might" happen. Staff urge people to try to stay in the present whenever possible. And respond to what policies actually unfold, as they happen, instead of reacting to current assumptions and uncertainty of the future if you can.
We know it's hard.

The world survived Trump the first time, and there are only 2 years until mid-term elections where some of the power can change hands again.
SaSu intends to be a safe space for people affected by the recent results - feel free to vent, speak feelings with each other and hopefully some comradery can happen through the initial shock, and see whether anything can be problem-solved later.


Below are the names and numbers, of some organizations which might offer some extra support in the mean-time.

The Trevor Project 1-866-488-7386
Provides crisis intervention and suicide prevention services for LGBTQ youth (Mainly for those 24 and younger)

LGBT National Help Center 888-843-4564
Offers peer-support and can also help with information and local resources.

Aidaccess
Nonprofit that provides access to abortion via medication. All online, medicine will be sent via mail.
Discreet and they can offer funding if necessary.

Trans Lifeline (877) 565-8860
Peer support for transgender people. Hotline can be used if you need somebody to talk to, or in crisis.
They have a policy against non-concensual active rescue, meaning they will not call emergency services or law enforcement even if you express you're going to harm yourself or CTB.

Crisis Text Line 741741
Non-profit that provides text-based mental health and crisis support.

2-1-1 211
Can be called and redirected to resources in your local area - whether it's crisis hotlines, practical support or community groups.


Compilation of other recovery and crisis information:

Recovery and Crisis Resource Compilation

The following are resources for you to reach out for help and support. We encourage you to seek recovery and be happy. Different resources work for different people, so we encourage you try several until you find what you need. Your happiness comes first. The list has been created from...

sanctioned-suicide.net

...

"The Little Things Give You Away"

 

[FriendDeath]

i attempted ctb 5 times today unfortunately

 

[Dot]

i attempted ctb 5 times today unfortunately

Slf sw u talkng 2 sme1 abt ur emo outfts etc

Wld puttng 1 2gthr & xpressng urslf tht wy hlp 2 dstract u @ all

 

[FriendDeath]

Slf sw u talkng 2 sme1 abt ur emo outfts etc

Wld puttng 1 2gthr & xpressng urslf tht wy hlp 2 dstract u @ all ...all

idk wich one, also i feel like i just need to burn my house down to just end my life right now

 

[Deleted member 8119]

A suggestion, and my only intention here is helping, but if instead of asking if the future is uncertain, if people could see they won't get exterminated, or that things won't get significantly worse compared to now, many people would stop having anxiety.

I don't want to create discussion, but I literally never seen the people here worse and more anxious, and I'm genuinely just want some peace for them.

Like it seems this thread got some mod support: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/thre...ext-trump-administration.185102/#post-2733406

 

[Winterreise]

If God exist he has become a republican and he is in the gym with Joe Rogan

 

[maniac116]

LBGTQ Crisis Line Reports Nearly 200% Increase in Election-Related Calls From Queer and Trans Youth

Staff understand that the election results have caused a lot of fear in people, and understand the valid reasons for distress.
No one knows at the moment, what is going to happen or what policies are going to be implemented, and exactly how people will be affected yet.

• Will people lose their rights?
• Will vulnerable people receive more abuse?
• Will people lose support which is keeping them holding on right now?

Uncertainty is scary.

One of the best things about SaSu is the compassion and empathy that members offer each other.
People are here for each other, and make each other feel seen and heard.
For anyone struggling; try not to process what you are feeling alone. Stay connected with supportive people on-site, irl and any support organizations that you use.
Finding community can help ease some of the loneliness and isolation that often follows distressing news like these.
There are obviously lots of horror stories of what "might" happen. Staff urge people to try to stay in the present whenever possible. And respond to what policies actually unfold, as they happen, instead of reacting to current assumptions and uncertainty of the future if you can.
We know it's hard.

The world survived Trump the first time, and there are only 2 years until mid-term elections where some of the power can change hands again.
SaSu intends to be a safe space for people affected by the recent results - feel free to vent, speak feelings with each other and hopefully some comradery can happen through the initial shock, and see whether anything can be problem-solved later.


Below are the names and numbers, of some organizations which might offer some extra support in the mean-time.

The Trevor Project 1-866-488-7386
Provides crisis intervention and suicide prevention services for LGBTQ youth (Mainly for those 24 and younger)

LGBT National Help Center 888-843-4564
Offers peer-support and can also help with information and local resources.

Aidaccess
Nonprofit that provides access to abortion via medication. All online, medicine will be sent via mail.
Discreet and they can offer funding if necessary.

Trans Lifeline (877) 565-8860
Peer support for transgender people. Hotline can be used if you need somebody to talk to, or in crisis.
They have a policy against non-concensual active rescue, meaning they will not call emergency services or law enforcement even if you express you're going to harm yourself or CTB.

Crisis Text Line 741741
Non-profit that provides text-based mental health and crisis support.

2-1-1 211
Can be called and redirected to resources in your local area - whether it's crisis hotlines, practical support or community groups.


Compilation of other recovery and crisis information:

Recovery and Crisis Resource Compilation

The following are resources for you to reach out for help and support. We encourage you to seek recovery and be happy. Different resources work for different people, so we encourage you try several until you find what you need. Your happiness comes first. The list has been created from...

sanctioned-suicide.net

...

"The Little Things Give You Away"

That's inspiring!
There may be some challenges but we will all get thru this....together

 

[FriendDeath]

guys the trevor project promised that they will remain alive during this whole situation atleast, so theres atleast something

 

[asthedayends00]

guys the trevor project promised that they will remain alive during this whole situation atleast, so theres atleast something

Stop lying to people

 

[wren-briar]

I strongly encourage SaSu folks to call a "warm line" instead of any "suicide hotlines" or "crisis hotlines", as the later are more likely to call authorities on callers who are deemed a possible threat to themselves.

warmlines at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

 

[falling_snow]

to all the americans, hope is stronger than anything, don't lose it.

my strength and hope goes to all those that have to survive Trump. lgbt+, racial minorities, and all the most vulnerable classes to fascism, don't die because of trump. dont let him be a reason for your death. death is peace from OUR situations, and many have survived much longer. live to make their lives harder. live to not die for trump. live to resist against unfairness. everybody i know here is so resilient and deserve to die noble deaths.

dont die to trump

 

[J&L383]

i attempted ctb 5 times today unfortunately

I totally understand.

 

[FriendDeath]

I totally understand.

7 actually

 

[bluehawk]

ive thought bout ctb but when I get to the moment I always find away to just keep going somehow. but after the announcement of Trump winning, now I am strongly considering ctb

I remember all to well what it was like when he was in the whitehouse, and this time he seems more unhinged and with a vengance. I highly doubt he will ever leave the whitehouse now and our election process, democracy and the constitution will be gone.

Project 2025 is just the first step I think, and I believe they have plans to do even more to reset america. I have my tank and stuff but I really need to find SN. I keep saying that to myself "I need to find SN" but I honestly just dont know where to start.

And the places info ive found online bout it ive heard that it is difficult very difficult. The videos ive seen of SN consumption seems sooo much faster than the tank method. I really wish I could find a way to get SN ..... but yeah at my age I have nothing else left.

 

[Winterreise]

I hope Trump doesnt ban heart attacks.

 

[Sutter]

I strongly encourage SaSu folks to call a "warm line" instead of any "suicide hotlines" or "crisis hotlines", as the later are more likely to call authorities on callers who are deemed a possible threat to themselves.

warmlines at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

Thank you Wren.

Still just staring at your advice. So it was all a witch hunt, no real interest in hearing people or actually caring. Just a honeypot to being people in. Its days like these where I am more than grateful for someone like you. Now I know to never call those lines.

 

[bonbon]

I since I saw that Trump has won, I tried to kill myself, and yes, what the hell is the point of living?. Sure to live in fucking torment. Although crisis text lines exist, they do not help you at all. They always put you on hold. Therapy is also ineffective for those living in poorer cities like New Jersey, and psychologists always see you for insurance. I almost tried to suffocate when I saw the results this morning, but... luckily, I was saved, but I don't know why I live in this hellish world.

I don't know if they have help lines in Argentina. But, I have already decided.

I since I saw that Trump has won, I tried to kill myself, and yes, what the hell is the point of living?. Sure to live in fucking torment. Although crisis text lines exist, they do not help you at all. They always put you on hold. Therapy is also ineffective for those living in poorer cities like New Jersey, and psychologists always see you for insurance. I almost tried to suffocate when I saw the results this morning, but... luckily, I was saved, but I don't know why I live in this hellish world.

I don't know if they have help lines in Argentina. But, I have already decided.

For me, all politicians are a piece of crap. they claim to help mental health, but no, on the contrary, in Argentina with Alberto Fernandez, they did not help in the crisis text line, since I am from Ushuaia and the suicide prevention line is only in Buenos Aires City. The whole infrastructure sucks in Argentina. When I tried to call CASBuenosAires they increased my cell phone bill with charges and taxes, but man! this is a free line, what the hell are you putting me with f*cking taxes. the suicide prevention line in Argentina was never efficient, just like in other countries.

 

[wren-briar]

Thank you Wren.

I'm grateful to those that shared this info with me, and am glad to share it in turn.

Still just staring at your advice. So it was all a witch hunt, no real interest in hearing people or actually caring. Just a honeypot to being people in. Its days like these where I am more than grateful for someone like you. Now I know to never call those lines.

I wouldn't actually say that suicide and crisis hotlines were witch hunts.

Suicide and crisis hotlines have often times been created with the goal of "reducing suicides" when someone is in crisis. So, if "they" (whether "they" is the organization, funders, just the individual answering the phone, or some other key entity) think they can do it just by talking with a caller, great. However, if they think they haven't "saved" the caller via conversation, then "they" are likely to feel justified calling in the authorities to "save" the caller.

Warm lines were created with the goal of having "certified peers" (i.e. people who have actually personally lived with mental health or substance abuse challenges, gone through some basic training, and gotten certified) actually helping individual callers dealing with mental health or substance abuse challenges, ideally before they reach a crisis point.

Of course, individual hotlines and warmlines will have their own policies and procedures, but those policies and procedures tend to align with their goals. For example, a hotline is more likely to gather identity and location info because they believe they may need to send help to "save" a caller. Meanwhile, a warmline is more likely to have policies and procedures that explicitly limit the collection of such information precisely because they know that calling authorities on someone can disproportionately harm that caller (and frequently has).

Likewise, the individuals answering the calls are humans, who will each have their own reasons for being there and their own biases based on their personal experiences. (To be clear, we all have biases based on our experiences. But in certain contexts, knowledge, training, and even procedures can reduce the impact of an individual's biases.) For example, if a talking with a college age caller who is a crying and is then unexpectedly disconnected, a parent who lost a college age child to suicide is likely to respond very differently than a peer who themself had to have special accommodations during their own college years.

So basically, hotlines have a goal of "saving" people (and likely corresponding policies) and may or may not be manned by people who have any personal experience with mental health or substance abusr challenges while warmlines have a goal of "helping" callers (and again, likely to have corresponding policies) and are staffed by certified peers who have at least some personal experience with mental health or substance abuse challenges.

(To be clear, I am not a peer support specialist, but I spent a lot of time with about a dozen of them in early and mid September, and I have mad respect for them! How to Become a Peer Support Specialist)

 

[Can’tbearanything]

I strongly encourage SaSu folks to call a "warm line" instead of any "suicide hotlines" or "crisis hotlines", as the later are more likely to call authorities on callers who are deemed a possible threat to themselves.

warmlines at DuckDuckGo

DuckDuckGo. Privacy, Simplified.

duckduckgo.com

I might be missing something here but I am not sure this is true? At least here in the UK our main crisis line will not call anyone if you are feeling suicidal, they will just talk to you. I think the only case they would try to get someone else involved is if they thought that you were likely to harm a child or vulnerable adult.

I think we should be careful what we say about the policies of specific lines folks, and make sure we're giving accurate info & not potentially misleading anyone.

If we are dealing with people in crisis on here, it's important they get accurate info & aren't dissuaded from accessing a potentially life saving resource.

Not trying to fight with anyone here. Just thought it was something worth saying, considering the situation we are now in.

On a different note, I am also feeling terrible about what is going on right now. It's like I'm in a dream and can't really believe it is real.

 

[wren-briar]

I might be missing something here but I am not sure this is true? At least here in the UK our main crisis line will not call anyone if you are feeling suicidal, they will just talk to you. I think the only case they would try to get someone else involved is if they thought that you were likely to harm a child or vulnerable adult.

I think we should be careful what we say about the policies of specific lines folks, and make sure we're giving accurate info & not potentially misleading anyone.

If we are dealing with people in crisis on here, it's important they get accurate info & aren't dissuaded from accessing a potentially life saving resource.

Not trying to fight with anyone here. Just thought it was something worth saying, considering the situation we are now in.

On a different note, I am also feeling terrible about what is going on right now. It's like I'm in a dream and can't really believe it is real.

I'm in the USA and since this thread is about the "USA election", I feel justified in assuming that most people who would feel the desire to reach out to such services as a result of this thread would be Americans, so there is a clear bias toward the American help lines. (I try to put in caveats, such as 'here in America', but intentionally didn't here precisely because it's already a USA-focused thread.). That said, I clearly and unabashedly have a personal bias about some specific aspects that follow - but that bias really is undeniably obvious.

Over the years, I have read and personally heard horror stories about a call to a suicide or crisis line triggering a welfare check, which in turned resulted in coerced or forced psych ward imprisonment (or much, much worse in a couple of truly horrific incidents involving veterans).

My anecdotal information was semi-confirmed when I spent several weeks at a peer respite center, and several people mentioned that it was exactly such incidents which spawned the creation of "warmlines".

This is further supported by information and data shared during a marketing campaign by the leadership of the National Suicide and Crisis Lifeline. Specifically, Health and Human Services (HHS) deputy secretary Andrea Palm and U.S. Substance Abuse and Mental Health Services Administration (SAMHSA) assistant secretary Miriam Delphin-Rittmon did an interview with a "Time" reporter titled "We've Had The 988 Crisis Line For a Year. Here's What's Working and What Needs to Change"

In the introduction, the Time author writes,

Counselors are trained to de-escalate a crisis, and if they aren't able to do so, they have the ability to connect to the user's local emergency medical services, including mobile mental health teams and emergency departments, which the program is also expanding."

(emphasis added)

My understanding is that, in the vast majority of the United States, "mobile mental health team" is just the closest police officer(s) sent to do a welfare check. (Over the last decade or so, I think I've have heard 3 news briefs about specific police departments that actual had an alternative to whatever cop(s) were closest [and who likely only had an hour or so of training about welfare checks], and honestly, all three news briefs could have been about the exact same unit. This is for the entire country, a country where there are well over 10,000 police departments! So yeah, for more than 99.9% of us, "mobile mental health team" is absolutely just doublespeak for "welfare check" done by someone with a badge and loaded side-arm (do I need to explain how such situations might end particularly poorly when the citizen is a veteran or a POC? /s).

While I've read about and heard about many, many, many welfare checks, in every single one of them if the "patient" was taken to the ER they were -100% of the time- either forced or coerced into a psych prison. (I would be surprised if there weren't some very, very, very rare exceptions, somewhere, at some time; however, I'm willing to bet that, over the last decade, more than 99.9% of all individuals who were transported to the ER based on a "threat to self" welfare check were forced or coerced -with the clear threat that, if they didn't "volunteer" then they would be forced- into psych imprisonment.)

During the interview, Delphin-Rittmon specifically stated, "About 98% of people don't need a mobile crisis team or an emergency department." which means that, based on their own statistics, 2% of callers -i.e. 1 out of every 50 callers- is subjected to a mobile crisis team or the emergency department!

There is no mention whether this 2% was:

• genuinely offered and actually wanted these services of their own free will
• coerced with the blatant threat of being forcibly committed (along with all the legal implications of being formally "committed" here in the US) if they didn't "voluntarily" self-admit themselves to the psych prison (I've personally experienced coercion exactly like this, although in both my situations it wasn't triggered by a call to a crisis line; however, I'm actively suicidal now -even as I type this response- precisely because this was done to me when I sought exclusively needed medical care, i.e. I was made actively suicidal as a direct and explicit response to being subjected to exactly such coercion)
• outright forced, i.e. legally "committed" (I believe this is the equivalent of being "sanctioned" in the UK).

Regardless, based on their own, very public statement, 1 out of every 50 callers is subjected to a mobile crisis team or the emergency department!

(Delphin-Rittmon continued by stating, "Part of the next phase of the program is to expand and build out mobile crisis and support and to fund crisis stabilization centers.", which sounds to me an awful lot like "double-speak" for forcing even more welfare checks on people and imprisoning even more people to psych prisons! [Is my personal bias obvious enough? /s])

Furthermore, it is stated in the https://www.warmline.org/ "User FAQs":

What is a Warm Line and What Should I Expect When I Call One?

A warm line is an alternative to a crisis line that is run by "peers," generally those who have had their own experiences of trauma that they are willing to speak of and acknowledge. Unlike a crisis line, a warm line operator is unlikely to call the police or have someone locked up if they talk about suicidal or self-harming thoughts or behaviors. Most warm line operators have been through extreme challenges themselves and are there primarily to listen. A warm line has the purpose of reducing hospitalization and forced treatment, being a cost effective and non-intrusive, voluntary intervention.

(emphasis added)


Hope that clears up any ambiguity that you Brits might have about us Yanks and our trepidation about being imprisoned for calling a "suicide hotline" or "crisis hotline", as well as my reasons for specifically suggesting the use of warmlines by anyone on SaSu. (Also, was the focus of my personal bias obvious enough?)
(If you want to understand why WE, of SaSu in particular, shouldn't call suicide or crisis hotlines, read the comments on https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/denisemann/what-to-know-before-calling-988)

 

[ArteriesBindEveryon]

The world survived Trump the first time, and there are only 2 years until mid-term elections where some of the power can change hands again.

This is a super good point and the main piece of hope we can hold onto. We can survive this together. In two years from now, everyone will be freshly reminded of why we didn't like Trump in the white house the first time around so the house and senate can hopefully flip. Two years after that, he's gone for good. I worry about the damage that will be done while he's in office but I do believe that it can be undone.

 

[Winterreise]

I will neglect my communal duties,and no longer contribute to a world even more hostile. I will find creative ways to drain resources and cause disruptions. It will be bittersweet.

 

[wren-briar]

but I do believe that it can be undone.

Just remember, things that took years, decades, even centuries to fight for, build, create, revise, etc, they can be destroyed in an instant.

And just because something was created once, doesn't mean it can ever be created again. Trans kids who are bullied -simply because their bullies have been empowered by orange man and his cronies- and kill themselves as a result will be lost forever. Now throw in trans-kids who are actively denied hormone blockers by their policies. Or young transmen who are raped by empowered assailants and get pregnant with no access the abortion.

I'm going to stop by agreeing that yes -eventually and at the macro-level- much of the damage he and his cronies will cause is likely to be undone, but just logically following the probable impacts of actions that they have repeatedly threatened to do they will absolutely continue to harm kids -kids who aren't even born yet- for their entire lives, and some of those actions will likely shorten many lives (e.g. banning vaccinations will likely cause deadly outbreaks); so in the short-term and on the individual scale, people have every right to be very concerned, especially if they've already lived with the impacts of his and his cronies' previous time in office.

 

[ringo99]

Trump, Biden, Bernie, Harris, Obama, it doesn't matter. No politician gives a shit about the average American

 

[Dot]

I'm going to stop by agreeing that yes -eventually and at the macro-level- much of the damage he and his cronies will cause is likely to be undone, but just logically following the probable impacts of actions that they have repeatedly threatened to do they will absolutely continue to harm kids -kids who aren't even born yet- for their entire lives, and some of those actions will likely shorten many lives (e.g. banning vaccinations will likely cause deadly outbreaks); so in the short-term and on the individual scale, people have every right to be very concerned, especially if they've already lived with the impacts of his and his cronies' previous time in office.

Ppl hve rght 2 b cncernd bt thnk sme levl of reassrnce & spport = imprtnt s/ tht ppl d/ nt ctb impslvly & premturly whn nne of thse thngs hve actully happnd yt

I might be missing something here but I am not sure this is true? At least here in the UK our main crisis line will not call anyone if you are feeling suicidal, they will just talk to you. I think the only case they would try to get someone else involved is if they thought that you were likely to harm a child or vulnerable adult.

Yh Smaritns polcis r nt 2 nt cll EMS w/o permssn of th/ callr in UK - slf hve lernd snce b-ing on ste tht thy r in th/ minorty tho

(If you want to understand why WE, of SaSu in particular, shouldn't call suicide or crisis hotlines, read the comments on https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/denisemann/what-to-know-before-calling-988)

Slf wld nevr persnlly tll sme1 nt 2 cll a ht-lne bcse thy r thre 2 hlp wth emotnl criss & cn b sme1 2 tlk 2 whn ppl d/ nt hve n.e1 els bt agree tht = gd 2 hve an infrmd opinn of hw thy wrk s/ tht ppl cn mke an educ8td decsn abt wh/ thy r callng & undr wht circmstnces

 

[NoPoint2Life]

This is a super good point and the main piece of hope we can hold onto. We can survive this together. In two years from now, everyone will be freshly reminded of why we didn't like Trump in the white house the first time around so the house and senate can hopefully flip. Two years after that, he's gone for good. I worry about the damage that will be done while he's in office but I do believe that it can be undone.

I respectfully disagree . I see it as He's got two years to totally screw everything up for so many people. And he's going to have a lot of power because he has the Senate controlled by Republicans, possibly the house since we don't know yet, and the Supreme Court filled with judges that he appointed. I am no political expert by any means, but as far as I know, Roe versus Wade being overturned was solely the result of the Supreme Court and had nothing to do with Congress.It is going to take years and years to not have a Republican majority there since they stick around forever. Yes, Congress can overturn it, but who's to say there won't be another case that the Supreme Court will hear in the future that could overturn that. And this is assuming that the Democrats actually get some power in two years. He obviously has more supporters than many of us even realized. Who's to say they won't Stop supporting him.
A lot can happen in two years. Even more in four. But I think the lasting damage and amount of suffering for individuals can last way longer.
Believe me, I wish I could be as optimistic as you.

 

[wren-briar]

Slf wld nevr persnlly tll sme1 nt 2 cll a ht-lne bcse thy r thre 2 hlp wth emotnl criss & cn b sme1 2 tlk 2 whn ppl d/ nt hve n.e1 els bt agree tht = gd 2 hve an infrmd opinn of hw thy wrk s/ tht ppl cn mke an educ8td decsn abt wh/ thy r callng & undr wht circmstnces

I still have a hard time "reading" what you write, bit I think the gist of this block of text is something along the lines of (paraphrasing a lot, here) you wouldn't encourage someone whose suicidal from not calling a hotline, correct?

If so, I respectfully disagree when it comes to United States "hotlines", but I am agreeing that they absolutely should call one of the "warmlines" instead, because of everything I detailed above.

 

[FriendDeath]

could someone please make me an European Pride flag? I need a constant reminder on the fact I'm European just so whatever trump says doesn't hurt me

 

[egAbwkOofXrX]

to all the americans, hope is stronger than anything, don't lose it.

my strength and hope goes to all those that have to survive Trump. lgbt+, racial minorities, and all the most vulnerable classes to fascism, don't die because of trump. dont let him be a reason for your death. death is peace from OUR situations, and many have survived much longer. live to make their lives harder. live to not die for trump. live to resist against unfairness. everybody i know here is so resilient and deserve to die noble deaths.

dont die to trump

Resistance doesn't matter anymore, the billionaires have 100% of the power. Even voting is a farce, nothing matters anymore. Trump is going to be supreme leader for life now

 

[rainwillneverstop]

I still have a hard time "reading" what you write, bit I think the gist of this block of text is something along the lines of (paraphrasing a lot, here) you wouldn't encourage someone whose suicidal from not calling a hotline, correct?

If so, I respectfully disagree when it comes to United States "hotlines", but I am agreeing that they absolutely should call one of the "warmlines" instead, because of everything I detailed above.

Slf wld nevr persnlly tll sme1 nt 2 cll a ht-lne bcse thy r thre 2 hlp wth emotnl criss & cn b sme1 2 tlk 2 whn ppl d/ nt hve n.e1 els bt agree tht = gd 2 hve an infrmd opinn of hw thy wrk s/ tht ppl cn mke an educ8td decsn abt wh/ thy r callng & undr wht circmstnces
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I would never personally tell someone not to call a hotline, because they are there to help with emotional crisis and can be someone to talk to when people do not have anyone else.
But I agree that it's good to have an informed opinion of how they work, so people can make an educated decision about who they are calling and under what circumstances.


….

I personally just want to add I already have placed a hotline which do not report to emergency services or LE.