Discussion Watching Gore Sites is Not Unethical.

[Giraffe]

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Watching gore sites is not unethical.

<sidenote>I find debating ChatGPT to be good practice for your arguments </sidenote>

'Well, what is your intentions while watching it?" - Some People gain actual pleasure from watching people die or be mutilated. We don't talk to those people. But some people are just morbidly curious about what death looks like, or just like being shocked, or simply want a truthful look at reality. In these cases, watching gore sites is completely ethical, because you are not hurting anyone.

'But the people! What if they don't consent to being treated as a fucked-up art gallery?' - A valid question. On one hand, people will watch gore sites regardless if people consent to being in them or not. Does the amount of people disregarding this problem justify your own disregard? No, it does not. Viewing the death of a person against their or their loved ones permission is wrong, regardless of how many people view it. Does this make gore sites unethical? Not specifically gore sites, but it is wrong to view a person against their permission regardless of the media medium. Nevertheless, you cannot distinguish those who wish their deaths to be viewed and those who do not. So, what are we to do? Well, I would suggest that if you feel like the death was not meant to be viewed, then watching it is unethical, and vice versa. Suicide Videos exist, and the people who film themselves(like Ronnie McNutt) want people to see their death. In this case, it is ethical.

I see it like telling people your fetishes. Sure, it's kind of a taboo topic and a stranger would like to take a few steps away from you, but it's not illegal or unethical.

What do you think? Am I making sense or am I off my rocker here?

 

[EvisceratedJester]

Telling people your fetishes isn't comparable to watching gore. Also, just because something isn't legal doesn't make it ethically or morally okay. The arguments you made regarding consent also aren't very good. People doing something doesn't change the ethics behind it so there isn't any point in even bringing that up. Also, not being able to distinguish those who want their deaths to be viewed from those who don't honestly just further supports the idea of it being unethical. If you can't distinguish between those who are fine with their or their loved ones' death being shown and those who aren't, then why even engage in that content in the first place? Consent is something that generally needs to be clearly given. You can't just engage in something without clear consent and then claim that it was fine later on, after finding out that no consent was given. Consent is something that needs to be clearly communicated. To add onto this, who is to even say that the person who died was even in a state to probably consent to have their video plastered online and watched by others?

Also, you can't discuss the ethics of watching gore without addressing the issue of people watching it for the sake of pleasure. Saying "We don't talk about those people" is just a poor way to cop out from having to address what is a very glaring issue. A lot of people watch these videos because they gain pleasure from them, which is very concerning for many obvious reasons. You can't just ignore that.

Along with that, there is harm done by these sites. For example, the issue that you brought up about consent from loved ones. There are cases of people who end up going into severe emotional distress as a result of finding out that their loved ones' deaths have been posted on these types of sites.

I honestly feel like if you have to spend your time fretting over whether or not what you are doing is ethical, then maybe you should actually take a step back and think about it more carefully instead of trying to justify and rationalize it.


Anyway, I don't plan on responding to this thread, mostly because I don't feel like it. I originally was planning to respond, but I couldn't help myself after reading your arguments. Time to go back to procrastinating on my schoolwork despite having an exam coming up soon.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I agree with a lot of your points. Someone who actively sets up a situation where their death is filmed and knows where that footage is going to end up is in full compliance. It may seem strange to people. It's not my thing- definitely not if it's actually gory. But there- no one is being taken advantage of, or their memory defiled. They chose for that to happen.

I'd also argue that- simply allowing your death to be filmed- adding a preference that it is only used for 'educational' purposes, not to end up on some dodgy website is a bit naive. This is the internet- some 'perverted' people will take videos like that and share them with their 'perverted' friends.

It's a bit like the Madeleine McCann case. Assuming their parents weren't involved in the abduction itself, regardless, were they acting entirely responsibly? It would be nice to think you could leave your (very) young children alone and sleeping in an apartment while you go off and have a nice meal. This isn't a nice world though! You shouldn't just assume everyone will respect your wishes or your life!

Same goes for allowing footage to be made of your death. You simply have no control where that will end up. If it disturbs someone to think of it being posted somewhere like a gore site, they probably shouldn't allow it to be filmed in the first place.

That's not trying to victim blame. I'm just trying to say- I think people need to be realistic aboit the world they're living in and not go looking for trouble. It's still not their 'fault' if the worse happens but- with a bit more consideration, they probably could have avoided that situation. Of course, if the person isn't consenting to it being filmed- that's wrong on every level.

As for watching it, I agree with you. I suppose it's about ascertaining whether it was consensual. I've not really gone in for all that so- I don't know how possible that is. I've seen a few assisted suicides being filmed in the clinics and they were obviously consensual.

 

[noname223]

A young, sophisticated and (I heard of it not sure if it is true) good looking man once posted a different opinion in this forum.
I heard for some this thread was life changing and eye opening. These are just rumors though. I cannot verify it. (some also said he had an 9 inch penis.)

Is watching (real life) gore immoral?

Yeah it is time again for an unpopular opinion of mine. I think some/many(?) of you watch gore. When I was a teenager I also watched gore sometimes. I know how this started. I have experienced violence and abuse as a child. When I saw someone in a movie pulling off his skin I had the thought...

sanctioned-suicide.net

 

[Spike Spiegel]

would be curious how some of you feel about combat footage. Now more then ever there is active combat footage in relative easy access from dozens of active conflicts. Often in the footage soldiers are shot, executed, blown up, burned etc. In theory its documentation of war, potential war crimes, tactical use, historical record purposes. But how would the average civilian benefit from viewing these videos and images? Is it journalism to publish them to the public ? In terms of gore some of these videos are up there with any other gore topic.

 

[nattys5thtoenail]

I disagree, don't half of those videos come from cartels or trafficking rings? Also it's really easy to get addicted and to become desensitized to violence which isn't good and can make you a psychopath aka leading to more depression.