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Darkover

Darkover

Archangel
Jul 29, 2021
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We are all "slaves" in the sense that we are bound by forces beyond our control—biological, societal, and economic constraints that dictate our existence. Here's why we lack the choice to truly "leave" or opt out.

Biologically, we are born without consent into a body that has needs: food, water, sleep, shelter, and social interaction. These needs force us into a constant cycle of seeking fulfillment just to survive. Aging, illness, and death are inescapable. We must endure suffering, pain, and decay whether we want to or not.

Psychologically, our minds are shaped by evolution to crave pleasure and avoid pain, making us chase fleeting moments of happiness while being haunted by suffering. Fear of death, suffering, and the unknown keeps many from even considering escape. Society conditions us with narratives of purpose, meaning, and obligations, making us feel guilty for wanting out.

Modern society forces participation in labor just to secure basic survival. Even those who inherit wealth are still bound by legal and social expectations. Laws against suicide and the lack of accessible, painless exit options trap people in life against their will. Capitalism thrives on keeping people working and consuming. If opting out were easy, the system would collapse.

Even if someone avoids economic slavery (by being wealthy or self-sufficient), they are still bound by the inescapable structure of reality: suffering, entropy, and the need for purpose. Non-existence is seen as unnatural or wrong by most societies, further reinforcing the idea that life must continue no matter what.

If life were truly a choice, there would be a widely available, painless way to leave. Instead, society ensures that leaving is either painful, traumatic, or illegal. Even if someone manages to exit, they had no choice in entering existence in the first place.

Ultimately, we are all born into a game we never agreed to play, yet we are expected to keep playing until nature or circumstance decides we can stop. True freedom would include the ability to opt out peacefully, but as it stands, we are all prisoners of life with no easy way out.
 
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Michelstaedter

Michelstaedter

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Feb 25, 2025
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I have long thought that we are tools for others. We are the base of the pyramid and that is why things like CBT are negative because they prefer to have sleeping slaves than to be the ones who have to suffer and fight for survival.
"Life is will-to-live, will is a lack, lack is pain, all life is pain."
Carlo Michelstaedter
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
3,059
I have long thought that we are tools for others. We are the base of the pyramid and that is why things like CBT are negative because they prefer to have sleeping slaves than to be the ones who have to suffer and fight for survival.
"Life is will-to-live, will is a lack, lack is pain, all life is pain."
Carlo Michelstaedter
From what book is that I downloaded one of his thesis. Michelstaedter shot himself with a gun when young age after publishing his thesis

Reposted cause of Typo. edited meant to type he committed suicide shot himself Autocorrect
 
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Crematoryy

Crematoryy

Wandering endlessly
Feb 12, 2025
40
It is contradictory to defend anti-existence as something natural. The concept of "naturalness" apodictically presents a preliminary existence. A structure of arrangements that determine causal norms. It is natural for things to exist -- whether we like them or not -- and it would be unnatural for them not to exist.

There is no way to rewind the universe and make it go back to before its beginning. We must accept that things happen, and will continue to happen regardless of us being here.
 
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JesiBel

JesiBel

4rp14
Dec 5, 2024
241
I love reading your posts, you always have the right words to express what many of us feel and the reality in which we live.
 
Michelstaedter

Michelstaedter

Member
Feb 25, 2025
25
From what book is that I downloaded one of his thesis. Michelstaedter shot himself with a gun when young age after publishing his thesis

Reposted cause of Typo. edited meant to type he committed suicide shot himself Autocorrect
"Persuasion and rhetoric" is the name he gave to his thesis. However, the quote I made comes from one of his writings that he called "la melodia del giovane divino". I have not seen it in English, I have only seen it in its original language, Italian and in Spanish.
 
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vitbar

vitbar

Escaped Lunatic
Jun 4, 2023
414
As you say we don't all lack the choice to leave, it is just very difficult. Are we more free than the unborn in their ceaseless inability to choose?
 

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