Venting We are being denied our birthright whether to choose to stay or leave based on individual circumstance

[Darkover]

It's a complex issue because, in many ways, society values life as a universal good—something everyone should cherish, regardless of their personal suffering. But it seems unfair to deny someone the right to choose to leave if their life has become unbearable, especially when their suffering isn't something they've brought upon themselves or could easily escape from. This often ties back to societal, cultural, or even religious beliefs that place a high moral value on life, often without acknowledging how painful life can be for some individuals.

In a way, we're denied our birthright because we don't have full autonomy over our own existence. We didn't ask to be born, and we certainly don't always have the chance to control the circumstances we're born into or how our lives unfold. Many of us are born into environments where suffering—physical, emotional, or mental—becomes a part of daily life. Yet, despite how intense that suffering can be, we're expected to endure it, often in silence.

The idea of choosing when to leave seems like a basic human right that should be up for discussion, but society doesn't always treat it that way. Instead, there's this prevailing idea that life is inherently valuable and should be preserved at all costs, which can make anyone wanting to exit feel like they're going against the natural order or betraying some unwritten moral code. The fact that we can't openly talk about or make choices about death without facing judgment, legal barriers, or stigma just reinforces this lack of control we have over our own lives.

But the argument for choice isn't just about the right to end one's life—it's about recognizing that suffering isn't universal. People experience pain, trauma, and mental anguish in different ways, and their circumstances matter. In a world where the suffering is immense for some and almost unmanageable, the denial of the option to choose, based on individual needs or desires, becomes a deeper injustice.

If we were to shift the conversation to one where autonomy over our lives—including our exit—was more normalized, it would involve deep cultural and systemic changes. We would need to question the moral frameworks that have been built around life and death, including how healthcare, mental health services, and end-of-life care are structured, and whether they truly reflect the needs and wants of individuals rather than societal expectations. It's not about making it easy to give up, but about allowing people who feel there's no other choice the agency to make that decision without facing an overwhelming mountain of barriers.

 

[NoMoreSanity]

at this point, after reading through so many posts and view points, I feel like suicide is more of an obligation now. At least on a personal level. It's not our right, it's our duty. A dark but honest truth imo

 

[Forever Sleep]

Sometimes I feel like the idea of choice is an illusion humans have created to make themselves feel free and powerful. Whereas in reality- in nature even, we are heavily influenced/ restricted by our biology, instincts and the societal expectations placed on us.

I'd probably agree that that is immoral or at least- it isn't fair. We do seem to be born into some degree of slavery where we will have to comply to a great many things. I think most would agree that slavery is bad so- it seems reasonable we should have the right to refuse/ reject it.

Ultimately though- we are all free to make the decision to die. We could all potentially make a suicide attempt today. Granted, people will make an effort to stop us if we make it obvious we are about to attempt though.

There though, I feel like we fall into the trappings of mental illness and mental capacity. Seeing as it likely is possible someone could kill themselves during psychosis or without full mental capacity, it seems inevitable they will try to prevent all suicides in order to assess people. It doesn't help that many people with ideation do seem to have mental illness plus, medical professionals won't seem to conceed that some people seem treatment resistant.

Ultimately though- we're not actually fighting for the right to choose to die. We do have that right. We could choose to act on it if we wanted. You're actually requiring assistance in dying though- to ensure it works. What we're actually asking for is for dying to be made easy, accessible, cheap, fast and painless.

So- we're asking for our societies to spend money in helping us to die. That we are owed a peaceful death because of the inconvenience of being born. We're asking for people who may be happy to be alive, grateful to be born to buy the nembutal for us, pay the rent of the clinics, pay the salay of the staff working there to kill us.

Would you donate to a cause you didn't believe in? That you might actually be offended by? While I do obviously support the right to die, I also feel like the reality is more complicated. We're effectively asking for both strangers and our families for a wip round to fund a way to kill us. So- it isn't just the right to choose we're asking for. We're asking for people to fund our deaths. They likely won't do that if they don't see life the way we do.

 

[J&L383]

Maybe someday society will have this all figured out. A peaceful exit, that's all I ask.