Discussion What if God really exists and won't be forgiving?

[Imhopeless]

This is the only thing that makes me hesitate, what if God exists and will punish me for trying to take away the precious life he gave me in the first place?

I'm not catholic, my family isn't strongly catholic either and I dont know where this fear came from. I'm not only talking about christian God, it can be any. What if there is a higher entity(honesty no idea if I spelled it right) and it will punish those who dare to commit such a sin?

I know I'm not the only one who's scared of such outcome. I wonder why people believe in this after becoming atheist or even when they are born into atheist families. Its really interesting how some can't find comfort in any religion but at the same time their fear is strong enough to make them hesitant

 

[Forever Sleep]

I agree, it's a nagging fear for me also- even though I lean more towards atheism now. Still- what makes people believe they've done enough to get into heaven after natural death? I don't think I've lived a terrible life but I've more than likely already done enough to piss God off! Maybe the worst sin of all- the 'unforgiveable sin' to denounce or at least- strongly question the existence of God. Weird priorities though huh? That the gravest sin is not to be part of the fan club. Nevermind about murder, theft, adultery, rape- you say you're sorry, you're sound.

The other way I look at it though is- in my personal experience, I've much prefered the atheists I've come across in life. Not to say this is a general thing but in my life anyhow- they've been a lot kinder. A lot more caring towards others. I've known some fairly unpleasant (in my opinion) religious people. So- sometimes, I comfort myself with that. Why would I want to go to heaven anyway? It will be full of religious people! Not trying to insult the religious members here. I'm sure you're all very decent people. It isn't fair to generalise I realise. That's just been my own personal experience.

I kind of loved that interview by Freddy Mercury where he said he actually wanted to go to hell! Lol. I also really used to love 'dark rides' (indoor rollercoasters that travel through scenes.) There was once a proposal for such an attraction in a shopping centre in the UK which would have been called 'The Ride of Life.' They proposed an additional charge of 30p to see hell! They reckoned that would be more popular. Lol.

Personally, I hope there's neither a heaven or a hell now. I'm done with living full stop.

 

[ZeroM24]

I dont understand how anyone can even think God exists. Where does this fear come from? For me its like someone telling me he talks to people who are not there, its schizo behaviour. Religion is a mental illness.

 

[kuchenn1238]

This is the only thing that makes me hesitate, what if God exists and will punish me for trying to take away the precious life he gave me in the first place?

I'm not catholic, my family isn't strongly catholic either and I dont know where this fear came from. I'm not only talking about christian God, it can be any. What if there is a higher entity(honesty no idea if I spelled it right) and it will punish those who dare to commit such a sin?

I know I'm not the only one who's scared of such outcome. I wonder why people believe in this after becoming atheist or even when they are born into atheist families. Its really interesting how some can't find comfort in any religion but at the same time their fear is strong enough to make them hesitant

I personally believe that if God actually exists, he would never punish someone who had to take the own life just to end their suffering, God isn't the one pastors tell you about.

 

[ElVato]

Arguably, god is not very forgiving when living is a torture on its own.

!!!What Is written next is not a fact and I'm not trying to get people to believe it is; this is just what I think/believe!!!

Due to our level of consciousness, we humans inevitably start wondering about two big questions: Why are we here and is there something else/after this. It's pretty sad to think that such great minds and souls just disappear into nothingness when we die; I think some intellects should be allowed to continue existing. However, the evidence seems to point that there is really nothing there.

This triggers a very powerful fear, the fear of trying to imagine what is like to not exist, because it's so abstract and alien that it feels like it burns your very soul just from thinking about it. This very fear is what has stopped me from ctb in previous attempts. This existential fear, I think, has lead humans to create a mythology of what might or even must be after all this. Why would there be suffering in this life if not because there is something greater afterwards, why wouldn't I, a sentient, sapient being deserve that.

Mythology and belief eventually becomes dogma a system, and it becomes a tool of control. Of course the church won't tell you ctb is fine: they need to keep the believers together and alive. Even ancient, more "primal" religions like, say, shinto, don't exactly bat an eye to this. As far as I've read, the most "positive" attitude you will find towards this will be stuff like "it's unfortunate but it was the person's destiny/free will".

For me, the greatest despair comes from the promise that life is eternal and that you will live again/forever. I really think that's horrible.

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

I dont understand how anyone can even think God exists. Where does this fear come from? For me its like someone telling me he talks to people who are not there, its schizo behaviour. Religion is a mental illness.

I don't see how anyone could believe in something there is no evidence for.

I think if someone really reads a book about molecular cell biology. you can see where life originated. how it all fits together. it's just a piece of chemistry.

Also add to that a book about the Brain one can see how it all fits together works and has to be true. the more you read the more certain it becomes this is what i am a brain , cells , how life started etc.

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

Then he's an idiot for making me.

 

[vitbar]

Nobody has managed to convince me we can know what god wants from us. Maybe she hates blind faith for being unreasonable, maybe she only created us as somewhere interesting for bacteria to live, maybe anything. This all asuming there is god. I can only really do what seems right, or at least acceptable to me, while being open to changing my mind. Trying to please one of the possible forms of the fundamentally incomprehensible seems mental.

 

[Wonhun]

Do enough research and you will find there is no god. Knowledge conquer fear.

 

[passer-by]

Then he's an idiot for making me.

This made me laugh, in a good way. Such a simple argument to throw into its face.
Also since it's supposedly an almighty all knowing being who created us(otherwise what would give it a right to judge us in the end right), it should have seen it coming. All of it I mean. Ctb included.

Do enough research and you will find there is no god. Knowledge conquer fear.

I think this is the best approach. Based solely on observation of the matter in this world, we can't really know death, but we know it's an opposite of life. So by extension that would mean it's also an opposite of everything one experiences during life, which includes judgment and punishment. This is a logic I go by and it brings me peace. Truth is simple, falsity ever complex.

 

[theolivanderroach]

Then so be it.

 

[lachrymost]

What if God punishes everyone who doesn't kill themselves?

 

[pthnrdnojvsc]

For me it's the opposite. I don't see how someone cannot have a concept of God. Everything that exists comes from something in a material level.

But, more fundamentally, the concepts of love. Since this place is such a survival hellscape and we are "programmed" to bond so intensely with others, why? If it was truly about survival we would die. That makes the most sense. Instead we form maladaptive behaviors to tolerate this unnatural existence that disturbs everyone. We form intense bonds with each other. Parental bonds are the most basic trauma bonds. Being born is highly traumatic yet you form this intense bond with the person who put you through that trauma.

Tribal people have intense and extreme coming of age rituals to break us into adulthood for this reason. To me it is so obvious something else is going on because planet earth is one big trauma mill. And that's also why I think ctb itself can be a survival instinct.

I don't love any other human. It's easy to defeat that love addiction.everything is how u see it. Why do I have to love another human or believe in a god?

There is no god. Why r they and souls hiding? Because they don't exist

 

[ijustwishtodie]

Thankfully there's no god. I say this as an ex muslim who is now an atheist. People get so uncertain about the existence of god yet they don't get uncertain about the existence of superman or spiderman or batman or whatever. This is because we know for a fact that the heroes I've listed are fiction and were made up by human imagination. Why don't people apply the same logic to god? God is obviously also made by human imagination and we (or at least I) can see this based on how obvious the religions are made by humans for humans. Each of the main religions caters to humans specifically and have a god that is conveniently dormant and also has human like emotions. The religions also have laws and regulations which reflect people's views back in history. If you're uncertain that god exists, you should similarly be uncertain that thanos or the joker exists because god isn't really less fictional.

I dont understand how anyone can even think God exists. Where does this fear come from? For me its like someone telling me he talks to people who are not there, its schizo behaviour. Religion is a mental illness.

It comes from childhood indoctrination as well as the fear of suffering through hell if you disagree with what the religion states. Pro lifers and religious people act like their views about life are the ultimate truth but their views are just biased by their own indoctrination and emotions. It goes to show just how illogical of a species humans actually are

 

[Valhala]

Don't worry, God, if he exists in some form, he certainly does not deal with such trivialities. What is certain is that there is a certain harmony in the Universe whose laws work synchronously, objectively and completely independently of our subjective notions of good and evil.

 

[maniac116]

I couldn't agree more! I tend to think there is a God, but I don't believe in a "hell" unless this life is hell. That's something I think of when I'm suicidal.
If there is God then maybe theres a lot more hope than I can see.

 

[ItsyBitsyWeetard]

This is the only thing that makes me hesitate, what if God exists and will punish me for trying to take away the precious life he gave me in the first place?

I'm not catholic, my family isn't strongly catholic either and I dont know where this fear came from. I'm not only talking about christian God, it can be any. What if there is a higher entity(honesty no idea if I spelled it right) and it will punish those who dare to commit such a sin?

I know I'm not the only one who's scared of such outcome. I wonder why people believe in this after becoming atheist or even when they are born into atheist families. Its really interesting how some can't find comfort in any religion but at the same time their fear is strong enough to make them hesitant

when it comes to christianity atleast the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the holy spirit suicide is a sin but sins can be forgiven idk bout other religions

 

[3/4Dead]

I've said it before in other threads but if god is a total jackass and he's not a forgiving then it's a god i really want nothing to do with lmfao and there's truly nothing i can do to satisfy said god

 

[Dusk till dawn]

Eternal existence can only lead to eternal suffering, it doesn't matter if it's hell or heaven, so long as you are immortal you will be miserable for the rest of your life whether be it in hell or heaven

In the case a god exists and we are condemned to hell for eternity, i imagine at some point we will develop some mental tolerance towards the intense physical pain, it might take centuries but i can't see how we won't develop mental resistance towards the intense physical pain unless divine intervention, we are screwed anyways since it'll be eternity

Either way, we will definitely be better off in heaven rather than hell, but we are still damned for eternity regardless of wherever we end up


However keep in mind that god is merely an idea created by men, realistically, it's outrageous to even suggest an entity such as god can be real because of how delusional and irrational the idea of a god let alone religions with concepts like hell and heaven and afterlife

 

[AJC]

God is a complete douchebag if he's as described in the bible. I don't want his forgiveness anyway

 

[Unleashtherain]

What irks me about God and Christianity as a whole is, the whole "to suffer in Christ" methodology. I see no reason why anyone Christian or not should embrace such a thought. Also, with so many people that claim God healed them there's millions that continue to suffer. Good Christian people far better than most. I don't fear Hell, as I believe as most people here do. That we are already living in it.

 

[OldManOfTheLake]

God is a complete douchebag if he's as described in the bible. I don't want his forgiveness anyway

100% agree.

You don't want to be friends with that guy.

 

[Flippintogo]

when it comes to christianity atleast the only unforgivable sin is blasphemy of the holy spirit suicide is a sin but sins can be forgiven idk bout other religions

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit can be taken to mean that we don't obey God's movement in our lives. That we don't surrender to His holy Will.

I'm Catholic and I struggle with this. Suicide is acting in defiance of God's Will for us to live and fulfill what we were intended to.

 

[BlockHammer]

Im just gonna be honest, even if god exsist and gave me a punishment for taking my own life it would not make my pain in this world easier, it's like choosing between getting poisoned and burned alived, both of them were painful but it doesn't make the other suffering better. Im not gonna talk about wheater god exsist or not because i don't have any strong argument about that but if we're talking about pain comparassion, nothing would change the struggle i had now

 

[ItsyBitsyWeetard]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit can be taken to mean that we don't obey God's movement in our lives. That we don't surrender to His holy Will.

I'm Catholic and I struggle with this. Suicide is acting in defiance of God's Will for us to live and fulfill what we were intended to.

Thats not exactly accurate id say that would imply that everytime we sin we're blaspheming the holy spirit not to mention when it comes to suicide there are plenty of things that come into play such as mental illness chronic illness circumstances etc does that mean suicide isn't a sin? No but God understands circumstances and everyone's gonna be judged fairly

 

[axab43]

Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit can be taken to mean that we don't obey God's movement in our lives. That we don't surrender to His holy Will.

I'm Catholic and I struggle with this. Suicide is acting in defiance of God's Will for us to live and fulfill what we were intended to.

Blasphemy of the Holy SPirit can't be taken to mean that. Otherwise we would all be guilty of it all the time, as none of us "obey God's movement in our lives" all the time, even devout Christians.

100% agree.

You don't want to be friends with that guy.

Thankfully there's no god. I say this as an ex muslim who is now an atheist. People get so uncertain about the existence of god yet they don't get uncertain about the existence of superman or spiderman or batmioan or whatever. This is because we know for a fact that the heroes I've listed are fiction and were made up by human imagination. Why don't people apply the same logic to god? God is obvusly also made by human imagination and we (or at least I) can see this based on how obvious the religions are made by humans for humans. Each of the main religions caters to humans specifically and have a god that is conveniently dormant and also has human like emotions. The religions also have laws and regulations which reflect people's views back in history. If you're uncertain that god exists, you should similarly be uncertain that thanos or the joker exists because god isn't really less fictional.

It comes from childhood indoctrination as well as the fear of suffering through hell if you disagree with what the religion states. Pro lifers and religious people act like their views about life are the ultimate truth but their views are just biased by their own indoctrination and emotions. It goes to show just how illogical of a species humans actually are

My belief in God and in Jesus as God did not come from childhood indoctrination or fear. My views are not "biased by my own indoctrination" as when I became a CHristian, I did not know one other Christian! Pretty hard to explain that away to atheists who just want to write the whole thing off as indoctrination and fear. (I wasn't afraid of "hell" either as I was an atheist before I became a CHristian, on my own in my living room at 14 years old.

And someone above said "you wouldn't want to know that guy" (as described in the Bible.) People just concentrate on the Old Testament and don't talk about the New, with a God (Jesus) who says we should love our neighbour as much as we love ourself, help those in need, die for your friends, even love your enemies, don't harm anyone, do good to all. The New Testament (Jesus) even said the religious elite of the day who tried to control others with rules and regulations were not right and were called out for it. (Some of the religious elite of today sometimes miss that part out or don't see it as applying to them when it is there for all to see!) That is kind of God I believe in... who wouldn't want to be friends with a guy who tells you to love even your enemies, to give to those in need and help anyone in trouble?

So why am I here, given all that? As I've made stupid decisions and wound up in a place, through my own doing, that means I want to "go home" early. Not anyone else's fault but mine but I would have gone a long time ago without my faith.

 

[Reflection]

If there's a god then there's no reason to believe he would actually punish us for that, only existing religions (which are false) preach that suicide leads to hell, and I suppose that it was put in place only as a way to stop the numbers of followers from decreasing.

 

[TragedyBornCrimson]

That's why I have reached a point where I accept either outcome. If I was screwed from the start so be it

 

[rozeske]

Then we are all fucked no matter what we do aren't we? Might as well do what feels right and face what's waiting.

 

[Csmith8827]

I know there is a higher power/entity. Is it God necessarily? Probably so...Is this being or entity/evil? That's what i'm debating. Basically yes, I do believe that this being/entity is basically evil. I've been through enough to know...and theres no forgiveness for the evil that i've gone through due to it. I'm just ready to get out of this place. Yall need to come up with some super-genius stuff so we can seriously leave here without having to vomit and throw up and feel like shit. I don't know what happens but as the above poster stated, i think its best to do what you feel is right and face whatever comes after. Fuck this shitshow and all the bullshit that there making life into. I didn't sign up for the Truman show and that's not what life is. Life is supposed to be about protecting the Orphans, Widows, And the Oppressed. The imprionsoned, downtrodden, and lonely...the hurting people of this world. It's not some fucking glamour show and if that's what the fuck your God is or is about, some superficial superstar then fuck Him/Her and I want out of existence. I'm deeper/more than that...Humanity is more than that...