Bernie is a socialist and Trump is an anti-socialist; their supporters are fundamentally different imo. Maybe the people you're talking about are ex-socialists.
He describes himself as a Democratic Socialist. "Democratic socialism is defined as having a socialist economy in which the means of production are socially and collectively owned or controlled alongside a democratic political system of government. Democratic socialists reject most self-described socialist states, which followed Marxism–Leninism."
Socialism and democratic socialism are two political ideologies that are often misunderstood or confused with each other. Here is a brief comparison of the two:
1. Socialism:
- Socialism is an
economic and political system where the means of production, such as factories and farms, are owned and controlled by the state or by the workers themselves.
- In a socialist society, the goal is to achieve economic equality and eliminate class distinctions.
- Socialism advocates for a centralized government that plans and controls the economy, redistributes wealth, and provides social services such as healthcare and education.
- Examples of countries that have implemented socialist policies include Cuba, North Korea, and the former Soviet Union.
2. Democratic Socialism:
- Democratic socialism is a political ideology that combines elements of socialism and democracy.
- In a democratic socialist system, the means of production can be owned and controlled by the state, the workers, or through cooperative enterprises.
- Democratic socialists believe in using democratic processes to achieve socialist goals, such as reducing income inequality, providing universal healthcare, and implementing progressive taxation.
- Democratic socialism advocates for a mixed economy where there is a balance between government intervention and market forces.
- Examples of countries with democratic socialist parties or policies include Sweden, Denmark, and Norway.
In summary, while both socialism and democratic socialism aim to address economic inequality and provide social welfare, they differ in their approach to government control, ownership of the means of production, and the role of democracy in achieving their goals.
The Democratic Party has continued to throw Bernie under the bus. Both parties work for the same oligarchy.
Oh forgot to mention: Bernie's own campaign manager Briahna Joy Gray
says stuff like
"Biden can be ten times better than Trump, let's concede that for the sake of argument, I'm not voting for him." Repeatedly argued with Chomsky on it. Not hard to find people going a little further, actually voting Trump out of seething disgust with the liberal elite
Like
Cassandra Fairbanks. Staunch Bernie supporter, then went Trump because Clinton was unacceptable. Felt betrayed by Bernie's support for Clinton — especially as the buffoonish Clinton treated Bernie with extreme contempt. No doubt she refused to concede defeat to the liberal horde out to tear Bernie supporters apart. Must've been a high, triggering the libtards
(Voting is a fundamentally antagonistic decisionmaking process, as opposed to consensus & fiat. It's a powderkeg if 49% of the nation feels like losers. And disrespect makes implacable enemies willing to die on that hill)
But we're looking at a tiny percentage of Bernie voters. Dunno about Biden, but they voted
Clinton in droves. More than previous Obama voters
How to deal with such people? Build real movements that ignore the heroic pageantry of lying politicians. Note that Bernie & Trump have a charisma based on not being sleazy career politicians. Everyone knows Trump is sleazy, but at least he revels in buying sleazy politicians. Electoral politics isn't real politics. Real politics is where people team up & solve mutual problems
Third parties may have been well-intentioned in the first place but at this point they've all been corrupted from the outside. Look at the Libertarian Party now, it's not even true Libertarianism.
