What will happen after we die

[Edrudd]

I wasn't always a good person during my short lifetime. What you guys think will happen? Can it be worse than being alive? I already bought the SN and can buy meto and Tagamet straight from the pharmacy. I plan to do it next Friday night I can't stand this torture anymore. I'm scared but also. A little bit relieved. I ask why all these things happened to me but I can't undestand why. I guess it was supossed to be like this I guess suicide was already planned in my life. I'm feeling different now that I'm going to die . I'm sad for ending a possible future but I'm glad I won't have to suffer anymore

 

[GeorgeJL]

I wasn't always a good person during my short lifetime. What you guys think will happen? Can it be worse than being alive? I already bought the SN and can buy meto and Tagamet straight from the pharmacy. I plan to do it next Friday night I can't stand this torture anymore. I'm scared but also. A little bit relieved. I ask why all these things happened to me but I can't undestand why. I guess it was supossed to be like this I guess suicide was already planned in my life. I'm feeling different now that I'm going to die . I'm sad for ending a possible future but I'm glad I won't have to suffer anymore

Personally I believe in reincarnation. This is pretty convincing.

Expert investigates 10-year-old's reincarnation claims
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[Edrudd]

But if you believe In reencarnation you need to believe in what they tell about what happen with suicidals and it's awful.

 

[John Smith]

I wasn't always a good person during my short lifetime. What you guys think will happen? Can it be worse than being alive? I already bought the SN and can buy meto and Tagamet straight from the pharmacy. I plan to do it next Friday night I can't stand this torture anymore. I'm scared but also. A little bit relieved. I ask why all these things happened to me but I can't undestand why. I guess it was supossed to be like this I guess suicide was already planned in my life. I'm feeling different now that I'm going to die . I'm sad for ending a possible future but I'm glad I won't have to suffer anymore

I also believe in reincarnation. Just look into verified past lives studied by Dr. Ian Stephenson and Jim Tucker. Then there are also near death experiences where people are outside of their body when their brain and heart have stopped.

 

[GeorgeJL]

But if you believe In reencarnation you need to believe in what they tell about what happen with suicidals and it's awful.

What are you talking about? Not everyone that believes in reincarnation also agrees that suicide is bad.

 

[Edrudd]

A part of the people believe In some awful thing I can't talk about but I guess it's not everyone then

 

[GeorgeJL]

What are you talking about? Not everyone that believes in reincarnation also agrees that suicide is bad.

Well I do believe that if you have a bad death that you risk going to a hellish realm. But it would have to be a really bad death. This is what meditational religions teach. And if you study psychedelics you can see the link between body chemistry and feelings with your state of mind. So there is some truth to it.

A part of the people believe In some awful thing I can't talk about but I guess it's not everyone then

Did you even see the video?

 

[Edrudd]

Sorry I will watch now

 

[Redrock]

I think after our death we just cease to exist. God, heaven and hell do not exist.

 

[fisil]

The is already a thread in off topic and nobody knows anyway.

 

[GeorgeJL]

The is already a thread in off topic and nobody knows anyway.

I have personally had ghostly encounters that make me believe beyond a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Quinlor]

"I knew that someday I was gonna die, and I knew before I died Two things would happen to me. That number one I would regret my entire life, and number two I would want to live my life over again."

Manics - Of Walking Abortion

 

[alizee]

Theoretically the universe is infinite and expands & retracts. So all the variables needed for our universe, can realign again to create the exact same order of events for our world & life as you experienced it. Basically the same exact life for infinity after death is physically possible. Similar the universe could theoretically create the same starting point for your existence but have altered events and making your life different at different times as you age. I'm a determinist who thinks this is more likely than nothingness because humans are like the stars and only follow the rules of physics. There is no conclusive science for soul or anything making you special or to cease completely. Your thoughts are outside your control as free will is an illusion. The thing you consider "you" is chained to the events you were forced to experience. When you stare into a mirror you're exactly the same as your reflection (you have no control & similar to the reflection for every movement). We're only socially conditioned to think otherwise.

 

[Goldentwenty]

Death is the end. You are buried ir burned. Thats it. Theres nothing after.

 

[Ch92921]

Death is the end. You are buried ir burned. Thats it. Theres nothing after.

body burnt to ashes

 

[ManWithNoName]

Personally I believe in reincarnation. This is pretty convincing.

Expert investigates 10-year-old's reincarnation claims
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Cannot one opt out of reincarnation and instead opt for a reality to his or her liking?

 

[Ch92921]

anyway meaning of life?

to be happy! if you arent happy, meaning of life is not fullfilled!

 

[TAW122]

I believe it will be just like before I was born/conceived in the womb, just no conscious and no perception of anything. I am an atheist and I don't believe in an afterlife.

 

[throwaway123]

Nothing.

 

[Ch92921]

I believe it will be just like before I was born/conceived in the womb, just no conscious and no perception of anything. I am an atheist and I don't believe in an afterlife.

Yes

 

[GeorgeJL]

Cannot one opt out of reincarnation and instead opt for a reality to his or her liking?

Yes if you overcome and shown yourself to be competent enough to handle it. Your works follow you. So the effects you create here will follow you into your next life.

 

[Hennessy]

I am an atheist; I believe there is no God. But I wish I was wrong.

I wish there was an all powerful God filled with love and that he cared for us humans and everything.

And very important: that he didn't hide from us. I wish we could have definite proof that he exists and that we were able to communicate with him whenever we needed and he would help us and comfort us.

 

[deflagrat]

This is probably a simulation and we are like robots inside a complex videogame. Intelligence doesn't mean we exist or that we have souls. Let's be real, we have been dealt a pretty shitty card. Nothingness awaits.

 

[Hennessy]

This is probably a simulation and we are like robots inside a complex videogame. Intelligence doesn't mean we exist or that we have souls. Let's be real, we have been dealt a pretty shitty card. Nothingness awaits.

I think you're right. We all live our shitty lives and then we die. And then we seize to exist.

 

[Your Own Ghost]

To dust we shall return.

 

[ManWithNoName]

Yes if you overcome and shown yourself to be competent enough to handle it. Your works follow you. So the effects you create here will follow you into your next life.

I certainly hope so. Can you be a bit more specific, and maybe provide a hypothetical example?

 

[GeorgeJL]

I certainly hope so. Can you be a bit more specific, and maybe provide a hypothetical example?

Yes so basically, if you are competent in this life then that same karma set will follow you into the afterlife and determine your next reincarnation. The best way to show your competence is to lead other people away from suffering and into meaningful productive lives. The currency that the masters look for is love. And what is love? Love is not only a feeling, but an action, a way of life, it's the ability to take a little and turn it into a lot. It's the ability to create something meaningful from scratch. It's the ability to think outside the box. To make a path and foundation strong enough to withstand all the bullshit in life. So when I talk about being competent I am not only talking about taking care of yourself, I am talking about helping others. Because almost anyone can do that. The thing that really makes progress is each of us helping each other. And that is what gets you brownie points when your next reincarnation is chosen. Think of the opposite. What if someone leads others astray into suffering. Do you think that those people will have a better reincarnation next time? Hell no.

As far as proof to what I am saying. Well just check out Near Death Experiences, these are people that have been on the verge of death and come back to tell what they experienced on the other side in the afterlife. Many of them talk about reincarnation.

Now the trick is to find out what leads to suffering and how to stop it, then find out what leads to meaningful life and focus on that. And that is done in part by science. The driving motivation being a strong curiosity for life and the driving impulse control being doubt.

 

[Jean Améry]

Since consciousness and any sort of mental activity is clearly tied to the brain (destroy a part of the brain and certain functions like speech will vanish aswell) I don't see how it can survive physical death.

Reincarnation and an afterlife are religious concepts for which there is not a single shred of conclusive, reliable evidence. Near death experiences do not imply that the subject actually died (if they actually died irrevocably they wouldn't have been able to return) and at the moment of death a cocktail of chemicals is released in the brain so obviously you're going to hallucinate all sorts of things. Might aswell believe whatever one sees under the influence of psychedelics is real.

Logically there are only two possibilities: either we survive death or we don't. If we don't there's no problem since we won't be able to experience anything at all including pain and any sort of discomfort. If we do survive death there are a myriad of possibilities but frankly the stories of heaven and hell are so obviously man-made I don't see why anyone should put any stock into it.

Personally I don't think I'm a bad person so why fear any judgement? When I die I'll see (or not see) whatever it will be. No need to fuss about it now.

The religious doctrines against suicide obviously serve political and social purposes. Suicide wasn't even considered a sin in the christian religion until Augustine decided to make it so since some christian sects were a little too eager to get into paradise early by doing themselves in. It's pretty difficult to exert political influence if the numbers of your religion keep dwindeling.

I've read in Buddhism suicide is not allowed since it would lead to a negative rebirth. Yet there are three stories in the Pali canon of monks who killed themselves yet Buddha did not condemn them. They were considered arhants or perfect ones who realized awakening. If you believe in that sort of thing it makes sense to strive to become an arhant before CTB-ing.

If you're worried try to dedicate the rest of your life (however long or short it may be) to doing good deeds and being kind to people. Nobody is good all the time so I wouldn't hold myself up to an impossible standard.

 

[GeorgeJL]

Since consciousness and any sort of mental activity is clearly tied to the brain (destroy a part of the brain and certain functions like speech will vanish aswell) I don't see how it can survive physical death.

Reincarnation and an afterlife are religious concepts for which there is not a single shred of conclusive, reliable evidence. Near death experiences do not imply that the subject actually died (if they actually died irrevocably they wouldn't have been able to return) and at the moment of death a cocktail of chemicals is released in the brain so obviously you're going to hallucinate all sorts of things. Might aswell believe whatever one sees under the influence of psychedelics is real.

Logically there are only two possibilities: either we survive death or we don't. If we don't there's no problem since we won't be able to experience anything at all including pain and any sort of discomfort. If we do survive death there are a myriad of possibilities but frankly the stories of heaven and hell are so obviously man-made I don't see why anyone should put any stock into it.

Personally I don't think I'm a bad person so why fear any judgement? When I die I'll see (or not see) whatever it will be. No need to fuss about it now.

I want to see you smoke some DMT and then we'll see how confident you are in your position.

The religious doctrines against suicide obviously serve political and social purposes. Suicide wasn't even considered a sin in the christian religion until Augustine decided to make it so since some christian sects were a little too eager to get into paradise early by doing themselves in. It's pretty difficult to exert political influence if the numbers of your religion keep dwindeling.

Yeah sounds about right.

I've read in Buddhism suicide is not allowed since it would lead to a negative rebirth. Yet there are three stories in the Pali canon of monks who killed themselves yet Buddha did not condemn them. They were considered arhants or perfect ones who realized awakening. If you believe in that sort of thing it makes sense to strive to become an arhant before CTB-ing.

In Jainism a meditational religion Sallekhana It is the religious practice of voluntarily fasting to death by gradually reducing the intake of food and liquids until one starves to death. This is typically done at the end of ones life. This is also done in Hinduism.

It's also believed in meditational religions that if one suffers a terrible painful death that they risk going to a hellish dimension. And that you can burn off a lot of your bad karma by fasting at the end of your life with Sallekhana as your wasting away. So that would be a benefit of waiting for death.



Atheists Read This
Atheisms biggest conundrums isn't so much religion anymore in westernized countries. People are moving away from organized religion. Atheisms biggest fight is now against psychedelics, near death experiences, ghostly experiences, astral projection, and even meditation because these things defy the materialistic paradigm. And yet many of these things don't prove god, except maybe some near death experiences. Like neurosurgeons Eben Alexanders book. Also none of these things are centralized. All of these can be had and found anywhere. Which is why Atheism won't win this fight against the spiritual.

Try convincing a child that saw a ghost that there is no spiritual. (Like me, when I was a child. Heck I even saw a ghost with my two brothers when I was an adult.)
Try telling a teenager that consciousness is all in the brain when he took DMT and went to anther world with consciousness increase that was beyond any anything chemical could create by itself.
Try telling someone that has astral projected their whole life that it's all in there head when they have seen shit that would blow your mind.
Try telling a young adult that meditation doesn't do anything other than relax you when they read about Buddhist monks achieving inner states of peaceful consciousness that is beyond imagination to us in the west.
Try telling someone that had a heart attack in the hospital and they came out of their body and saw the doctors working on them, then they are resuscitated that they are delusional.

Look don't get me wrong I think atheism has served it's goal to fight back against belief without reason. And for that I am grateful for atheism role in the west, but really I think this is a fight you will ultimately loose especially once the general public can smoke DMT. It was nice while it lasted, but don't think the general public will never quit believing in the spiritual. And yet I think we still need you to help fight religious extremism. In the meantime that is the thing that still unites us.