What will the US political landscape of 2084 be like?

[Blurry_Buildings]

In 1964 (60 years ago):

The Civil Rights act was passed after a 2 month filibuster, causing widespread unrest
Segregation was everywhere, and job opportunities for black people were limited

2 US ships were attacked by North Vietnamese torpedo boats in the Gulf of Tonkin, marking the beginning of the US' involvement in Vietnam
Only 2 years had passed since the cuban missile crisis
Calling yourself a socialist was social suicide

Women were socially expected to primarily care for children
Women had limited career opportunities
Banks could require a Woman to have a husband, and for that husband to cosign if they wanted a credit card
Feminist movements themselves were widely segregated

LGBTQ people were on the far fringes of society or were required to conform
Most common people thought of LGBTQ people as mentally ill, while to a few nationalists they were communist sympathizers

Marriage, Church, and the nuclear family were all sacred institutions expected to be upheld universally


Today much of that has changed drastically from what it was. How do you think our society, social norms, and political discourse will change from now in 2024 to 60 years from now in 2084?

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

I'd be 90 years old by then and I hope if I'm somehow still alive at that point then I've become a long bearded sage of some sort so that I don't have to engage or keep up with society at all.

 

[Agon321]

I have no fucking idea.
Anything could happen.

I think the United States will face some form of civil war (theoretically it already is).
Society is massively polarized.

Maybe some World War, which will change a lot.
It's hard for me to write anything more, because my predictions don't make sense.
History can go in any direction.

But in my opinion it's wrong to think that the world will definitely become more and more liberal.
It may be quite the opposite.
But as I wrote above, anything can happen.

 

[DarkRange55]

@noname223
I've been on a mountain biking/hiking/off-roading trip. I still need to respond to your president post.

I think making accurate predictions is extremely difficult but I can extrapolate and offer some possible directions. But have our German friend go first . He seems to have taken an interest in the dog and pony show that is US politics.

What do you think @Blurry_Buildings? You've had some good posts/comments.

 

[noname223]

I think it almost impossible to predict that. Making predictions is an extremely difficult business. And the smartest people on this planet are somewhat good in that. There are so many factors. I read there are super predictors. People who seem to be very unbiased in making predictions. There are some few individuals who can do that and I am certainly not among them.

Many scientists have good models on climate change and its effect on this planet. I know that Anton Zeilinger expressed that we cannot be certain though. Noone can predict how the world looks like in 30 years. I try to be agnostic on that. I seem to have a bias to anticipate answers in conversations. And I annoyed the shit out of the quantum scientist I met. So I am making predictions all the time. I once read the more predictions you do the better you become. However, I think in my case it is more of a cogntive bias.

I find the question interesting whether the models of climate change are convincing enough to massively change the way we live. How deep cuts are justifiable? Should de-growth be on the table as an option? Should we change our democracy for the sake of climate change? How certain are we about it?

I think such predictions are very hard to make. The political landscape of 2084 could be part of a sc-fi book. There were many good authors who were ahead of their time. But it is not something I am reading usually. Often it is either an apocalyptical or utopian scenario.

 

[Blurry_Buildings]

What do you think @Blurry_Buildings? You've had some good posts/comments.

Aw thanks...

These are just some shots in the dark as well, but here's my random predictions

-The ability to safely remove a pre-mature fetus and grow it seperately in a test tube will complicate the abortion debate. Proponents will say this process should be mandatory for all people seeking an abortion because it is like an abortion but also saves the fetus. Opponents will say the mother has a right to decide whether she wants a biological child to exist or not.

-The human connectome will be fully mapped, and a debate will begin around whether simulated human brains based off of connectomes count as people

-Virutal reality will advance to the point where some will attempt to live as much of their life as possible online. This will exist in the background but occassionally surface in political discourse, like how the dangers of social media and excessive screen time use is occassionally brought up by politicians today.

-A 4 year university education will still be very expensive, but an initiative will be started to make a free public four year university within virtual reality. This will be an ongoing subject of debate within the democratic party between those who want to start by funding the virtual university, operated by a government contracted tech company, and those who want universal free college education and scoff at VR classes as a substitute.

-Africa and the global south's population and economy will have exploded (some projections are saying 4 billion people in africa alone), causing tensions with the US, especially around the talk of reparations for the manipulation and crimes against humanity committed in the 20th and early 21st century. Some may use the ICJ or other bodies to demand payments similar to germany's state reparations to the nations it conquered, since the US often funded and supported extremist anti-communist rebels and dictators. Many US citizens will not want to pay any sort of reparations, especially to other nations, but will be under international pressure from a very powerful global south.

-Many more human settlements will exist in the Antarctic, and a debate over whether or not to support more colonization and resource extraction with tax payer dollars will be ongoing

-Organized religion as we know it will become close to obsolete, but some will continue to attend masses, which themselves will be simpler and with broader interpretations of the holy texts. Going to mass will be seen by the majority as something to do only during holidays, weddings, and funerals. Religion, or being overly religious will be met with suspicion

-Being gay or lesbian will be completely normal, meanwhile transgender individuals will still face severe stigma, with ongoing debate

-Within the US the republicans and democrats will both have close to similar racial demographics, but will still skew towards one gender or age bracket

-Race based politics will have begun to subside as the proportion of US born white and black people continue to decrease relative to the population of US born mixed people and newer immigrants

-Creating a clone of oneself to use for "spare parts" or even head transplantation will have just started to be practiced or planned by a few but widely criticized as a morally bankrupt thing to do

-Amtrak will still be financially insolvent, reliant on government subsidies, and routinely face uncertain funding, complicated further by self driving vehicles

-Driving yourself above a certain age will be illegal. Many older people will resist self-driving cars, while the younger generations will not bother learning how to drive themselves at all, as driverless taxis, rideshares, and driverless personal vehicles take over

 

[Imagined_Euphoria]

What makes you think there will be a world in 2084? I fully expect humanity will be extinct by then through climate change wars and/or nuclear wars.

 

[Steff1337]

What makes you think there will be a world in 2084? I fully expect humanity will be extinct by then through climate change wars and/or nuclear wars.

I agree.

 

[Deleted member 8119]

Yeah, this is what political weirdos and incels mean by "things were better in the past". They no longer can harm groups they don't like and they're butthurt lol.

That inflation ruined everything, that they forage to eat instead of celebrating they aren't on Vietnam or having 12 children. And besides there are places where the average house isn't a million dollars; hard to get yes, but not impossible as it's claimed.

Things will keep getting better. While humans were always tribal and violent, and it won't ever change, the positive changes happen regardless of people's opinion. Sure we all want to blame innovations and claim they'll doom us all, but fortunately we have no power to stop them. As it should. Laymen aren't qualified to have say on some complex matters.

 

[yellowjester]

Fallout: New Vegas. Rivaling factions competing for land and recources. It's not gonna be pretty.

 

[Plentiful_Despair]

Lol there will be no humanity in 2084

 

[WithTheFlow]

This place will inevitably provide answers tailored to destruction. The problem with predicting future social outcomes is that you're dealing with humans and their capability to receive new information, observe new problems, and be creative with their solutions. I can only hope for one thing: Americans recognize the parasitic nature of present American political institutions and work to de-legitimize or correct them.

 

[Davey40210]

I think it's hilarious that "political discourse" would even be part of the predictions. Keep in mind the so called political discourse is currently already mostly controlled by a small group of people.

Still within this generation, all communication channels will be fully controlled and you will not be able to effectively build a protest or militia. We will all live in our own little bubble doing what the overlords want and those too smart to believe it will be eliminated or discredited.

The only way this is slowed is if there remains war between the ruling factions, such as between elites in Russia and the US.

But by 2084 it is likely that the leaders will have consolidated control (if they didn't nuke our planet) and will come out and declare their power and plans for the enslaved rest of humanity. By then, they will have achieved biological immortality through advanced in science and we will go into centuries of uninterrupted rule by a ruling class and will slowly start colonizing other planets in our solar system.

Norms, discourse and society don't matter. Only power matters.

 

[Ferdinand Bardamu]

How do you think our society, social norms, and political discourse will change from now in 2024 to 60 years from now in 2084?

I'm unironically convinced that in 2084, Skibidi Toilet would run for president and the average IQ would be in the low 60's. Maybe not "literally" that, but basically the accelation of Mass-Politics would reach a point where Policy is dictated by memes, or something of the sort. I remember reading about how the average reading level of a presidential inarguration speech went from collegiate, to infantile. The coverage of Politics seems to have been the same. Throw in what appears to be decline of the average IQ (negative Flynn effect/Dysgenics) and, if current trends accelerate, idiocracy will be a real thing, as cliche as that sounds.

 

[JealousOfTheElderly]

I do not believe there will be a USA in 2084. This country will collapse before then much like the USSR and Prussia collapsed. The USA as we know it today will not exist in 2084. Most likely it will be divided into smaller countries much like what's happened in Europe the last few decades. It's been a long time coming.

 

[DarkRange55]

Aw thanks...

These are just some shots in the dark as well, but here's my random predictions

-The ability to safely remove a pre-mature fetus and grow it seperately in a test tube will complicate the abortion debate. Proponents will say this process should be mandatory for all people seeking an abortion because it is like an abortion but also saves the fetus. Opponents will say the mother has a right to decide whether she wants a biological child to exist or not.

-The human connectome will be fully mapped, and a debate will begin around whether simulated human brains based off of connectomes count as people

-Virutal reality will advance to the point where some will attempt to live as much of their life as possible online. This will exist in the background but occassionally surface in political discourse, like how the dangers of social media and excessive screen time use is occassionally brought up by politicians today.

-A 4 year university education will still be very expensive, but an initiative will be started to make a free public four year university within virtual reality. This will be an ongoing subject of debate within the democratic party between those who want to start by funding the virtual university, operated by a government contracted tech company, and those who want universal free college education and scoff at VR classes as a substitute.

-Africa and the global south's population and economy will have exploded (some projections are saying 4 billion people in africa alone), causing tensions with the US, especially around the talk of reparations for the manipulation and crimes against humanity committed in the 20th and early 21st century. Some may use the ICJ or other bodies to demand payments similar to germany's state reparations to the nations it conquered, since the US often funded and supported extremist anti-communist rebels and dictators. Many US citizens will not want to pay any sort of reparations, especially to other nations, but will be under international pressure from a very powerful global south.

-Many more human settlements will exist in the Antarctic, and a debate over whether or not to support more colonization and resource extraction with tax payer dollars will be ongoing

-Organized religion as we know it will become close to obsolete, but some will continue to attend masses, which themselves will be simpler and with broader interpretations of the holy texts. Going to mass will be seen by the majority as something to do only during holidays, weddings, and funerals. Religion, or being overly religious will be met with suspicion

-Being gay or lesbian will be completely normal, meanwhile transgender individuals will still face severe stigma, with ongoing debate

-Within the US the republicans and democrats will both have close to similar racial demographics, but will still skew towards one gender or age bracket

-Race based politics will have begun to subside as the proportion of US born white and black people continue to decrease relative to the population of US born mixed people and newer immigrants

-Creating a clone of oneself to use for "spare parts" or even head transplantation will have just started to be practiced or planned by a few but widely criticized as a morally bankrupt thing to do

-Amtrak will still be financially insolvent, reliant on government subsidies, and routinely face uncertain funding, complicated further by self driving vehicles

-Driving yourself above a certain age will be illegal. Many older people will resist self-driving cars, while the younger generations will not bother learning how to drive themselves at all, as driverless taxis, rideshares, and driverless personal vehicles take over

-The ability to safely remove a pre-mature fetus and grow it seperately in a test tube will complicate the abortion debate. Proponents will say this process should be mandatory for all people seeking an abortion because it is like an abortion but also saves the fetus. Opponents will say the mother has a right to decide whether she wants a biological child to exist or not.

WB84 (Well Before 2084)

-The human connectome will be fully mapped, and a debate will begin around whether simulated human brains based off of connectomes count as people

Reasonably likely

-Virutal reality will advance to the point where some will attempt to live as much of their life as possible online. This will exist in the background but occassionally surface in political discourse, like how the dangers of social media and excessive screen time use is occassionally brought up by politicians today.

WB84

-A 4 year university education will still be very expensive, but an initiative will be started to make a free public four year university within virtual reality. This will be an ongoing subject of debate within the democratic party between those who want to start by funding the virtual university, operated by a government contracted tech company, and those who want universal free college education and scoff at VR classes as a substitute.

WB84

-Africa and the global south's population and economy will have exploded (some projectionsare saying 4 billion people in africa alone), causing tensions with the US, especially around the talk of reparations for the manipulation and crimes against humanity committed in the

18th, 19th,

20th and early 21st century. Some may use the ICJ or other bodies to demand payments similar to germany's state reparations to the nations it conquered, since the US often funded and supported extremist anti-communist rebels and dictators. Many US citizens will not want to pay any sort of reparations, especially to other nations, but will be under international pressure from a very powerful global south.

WB84

-Many more human settlements will exist in the Antarctic, and a debate over whether or not to support more colonization and resource extraction with tax payer dollars will be ongoing

Disagree, unless you count research facilities as settlements.

-Organized religion as we know it will become close to obsolete,

Disagree - diminished, but far from obsolete (still a lot bigger than Amish/Mennonites today)

but some will continue to attend masses, which themselves will be simpler and with broader interpretations of the holy texts. Going to mass will be seen by the majority as something to do only during holidays, weddings, and funerals. Religion, or being overly religious will be met with suspicion

WB84

-Being gay or lesbian will be completely normal, meanwhile transgender individuals will still face severe stigma, with ongoing debate

Depends how 'pushy'. Personal transgenderism will be OK, but pushing anything on others will not.

-Within the US the republicans and democrats will both have close to similar racial demographics, but will still skew towards one gender or age bracket

Probably

-Race based politics will have begun to subside as the proportion of US born white and black people continue to decrease relative to the population of US born mixed people and newer immigrants

Yes

-Creating a clone of oneself to use for "spare parts" or even head transplantation will have just started to be practiced or planned by a few but widely criticized as a morally bankrupt thing to do

Regeneration research will make transplants rare.

-Amtrak will still be financially insolvent, reliant on government subsidies, and routinely face uncertain funding, complicated further by self driving vehicles

Reasonably likely

-Driving yourself above a certain age will be illegal. Many older people will resist self-driving cars, while the younger generations will not bother learning how to drive themselves at all, as driverless taxis, rideshares, and driverless personal vehicles take over

WB84