NSFW what would you do if the so called prolifers were in fact (subconsciously) trying to push you over the edge.

[Insomniac]

most people kill themselves because they're afraid of not having the opportunity to do it when-if they need to. suicide, I believe, is mostly a preventive measure in that regards.

everything they do to make suicidal people feel better achieves exactly the opposite. and when there is an online community that actually help by providing a safe space for suicidal people to be themselves, the self-proclaimed suicide preventionits do everything they can to shut it down and demonise it. which has the effect of isolating suicidal people from each other and alienate them even more.

could it be that it's in fact their subconscious intention? I believe it is. I sincerely believe these people are subconsciously trying to get us to kill ourselves.

I'm not being cynical or extreme. I'm sorry but there's no way I could say something like that without sounding sulky.

I believe that most of the suicide rescue they do is only performative, but their real intentions can only be read in the actual consequences of their actions.

one thing is certain for me, if I knew without a doubt that I'd always have access to N no matter what, I would be able to tolerate a lot more suffering without feeling the need to end it.

 

[Julgran]

Haven't suicidal people - or people who have failed to live up to society's standards in any other way, for any reason - always been expendable, and not seen as desired? You might be right in what you have written, but my own guess is that society at large will continue to ignore us and expect us to die out - like dinosaurs.

We in this community are, sometimes, effectve enough in creating derision amongst ourselves, so I don't really think that any outiside source will need to do much in order for the community to dissolve eventually.

 

[FuneralCry]

I do see pro lifers as being pro suffering, by not respecting our right to die and stopping suicide attempts, they are prolonging our suffering. However I think many pro lifers are delusional, they live under a delusion that life is always worth living. They see suicide as always being irrational, and something that must always be prevented. I think many believe they are doing a good thing by preventing a suicide, but in many cases they likely do not care about the person, they just want to make themselves feel better.

 

[motel rooms]

most people kill themselves because they're afraid of not having the opportunity to do it when-if they need to. suicide, I believe, is mostly a preventive measure in that regards.

I don't think that this is correct.

I believe that most of the suicide rescue they do is only performative

I agree that this is often the case.

 

[cambrai33]

No I don't think that's happening to be honest, more they are looking for opportunities to spread mistrust and let us fight against each other.

They may or not be creating threads to present a narrative to provide the site helps minors to ctb or is full of incels.

I cannot confirm or deny any of this and could be within the grips of my own personal paranoia

 

[Manaaja]

I know what you mean when you say that having access to suicide makes it possible to postpone suicide. There have been so many times when I have thought "Relatives are coming back tomorrow, I have to ctb today!" and "This place has a good place to do full suspension, I have to ctb here!". One narcissistic bitch smiled and told me that I shouldn't go to a psych ward even for a few hours to calm down because I have asperger and they don't want aspergers there. I have also had people tell me straight into my face that I should kill myself.

I think some pro-lifers want to push people to ctb. And I think some pro-lifers want to "save" people but only suicidal normies and not gay transpeople with asperger etc..

Sigh, I really wish it was possible to be openly suicidal. Would be nice to be able to tell a psychologist something like "I want feel better, but nothing I do is working and so I feel suicidal" without fear of consequences.

 

[Zzzzz]

A lot of truth to what you say. Someone who really cares will not want to simply keep you alive but will want you to be happy and have a good life.such people are rare. Many if not most of those against suicide have no regard for the suicidal beyond forcing them to stay alive.

 

[cambrai33]

I know what you mean when you say that having access to suicide makes it possible to postpone suicide. There have been so many times when I have thought "Relatives are coming back tomorrow, I have to ctb today!" and "This place has a good place to do full suspension, I have to ctb here!". One narcissistic bitch smiled and told me that I shouldn't go to a psych ward even for a few hours to calm down because I have asperger and they don't want aspergers there. I have also had people tell me straight into my face that I should kill myself.

I think some pro-lifers want to push people to ctb. And I think some pro-lifers want to "save" people but only suicidal normies and not gay transpeople with asperger etc..

Sigh, I really wish it was possible to be openly suicidal. Would be nice to be able to tell a psychologist something like "I want feel better, but nothing I do is working and so I feel suicidal" without fear of consequences.

I'm lucky to have a place I can say those things, it's charity based. If I'm honest I wished nobody had to do it by ctb but I understand why it's the only viable option some are left with

 

[Manaaja]

I'm lucky to have a place I can say those things, it's charity based. If I'm honest I wished nobody had to do but I understand why it's the only viable option some are left with

Is it online or face-to-face? There's an online chat that I use (which uses trained volunteers), and while it should be fully anonymous, I never dare to tell them that I'm suicidal for fear of how they'll react.

 

[cambrai33]

It's face to face

I said to them, if I told you I am going to leave here and jump off of a bridge are you going to do anything about it? They said no unless you ask us to. I still run a ctb scenario to them each time and they always answer the same

 

[motel rooms]

could it be that it's in fact their subconscious intention? I believe it is. I sincerely believe these people are subconsciously trying to get us to kill ourselves.

I'm not being cynical or extreme. I'm sorry but there's no way I could say something like that without sounding sulky.

You're not being cynical nor sulky, you're being paranoid...

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

but their real intentions can only be read in the actual consequences of their actions.

Bruh moment.

 

[CrossroadsCurious]

You're not being cynical nor sulky, you're being paranoid...

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill you...

 

[motel rooms]

Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to kill you...

Just 'cause you feel it doesn't mean it's there...
-- Thom Yorke

They're out to torture people by keeping them alive no matter how much pain they're in & how badly they want to end their lives.

 

[CrossroadsCurious]

Just 'cause you feel it doesn't mean it's there...
-- Thom Yorke

That's such a tease :P

 

[Crazy4u]

I believe that most prolifers are narcissists, bullies, delusional, and stupid. I don't think they want to (save) suicidal people. When they do, the motivation is to benefit them or make them feel good about themselves.

 

[motel rooms]

I believe that most prolifers are narcissists, bullies, delusional, and stupid. I don't think they want to (save) suicidal people. When they do, the motivation is to benefit them or make them feel good about themselves.

Yes, pro-lifers are actually pro-deathers... They also sacrifice puppies & kittens to Satan while begging Jesus to destroy him...

 

[Insomniac]

Jesus

you and your dad jokes.

this is a serious thread

You're not being cynical nor sulky, you're being paranoid...

then what are they for thinking that we help people kill themselves? people here like to make excuses for these shitty people but that doesn't make them any less shitty. I was even nice enough to consider their behaviour as "unconscious" but they have no issue treating us like predators.

 

[motel rooms]

you and your dad jokes.

this is a serious thread

then what are they for thinking that we help people kill themselves? people here like to make excuses for these shitty people but that doesn't make them any less shitty. I was even nice enough to consider their behaviour as "unconscious" but they have no issue treating us like predators.

I give up. My feeble dad brain is too slow to follow your train of thought... Back in my day, basic logic still counted for something.

 

[Bleak]

I would laugh that it mattered so much to someone to want me dead.

 

[erdbeeren]

most people kill themselves because they're afraid of not having the opportunity to do it when-if they need to. suicide, I believe, is mostly a preventive measure in that regards.

everything they do to make suicidal people feel better achieves exactly the opposite. and when there is an online community that actually help by providing a safe space for suicidal people to be themselves, the self-proclaimed suicide preventionits do everything they can to shut it down and demonise it. which has the effect of isolating suicidal people from each other and alienate them even more.

could it be that it's in fact their subconscious intention? I believe it is. I sincerely believe these people are subconsciously trying to get us to kill ourselves.

I'm not being cynical or extreme. I'm sorry but there's no way I could say something like that without sounding sulky.

I believe that most of the suicide rescue they do is only performative, but their real intentions can only be read in the actual consequences of their actions.

one thing is certain for me, if I knew without a doubt that I'd always have access to N no matter what, I would be able to tolerate a lot more suffering without feeling the need to end it.

When you consider the fact that anti-choice people glorify and exalt psych hospitals (literal prisons), there is certainly malice.

 

[wCvML2]

I have a hard time wrapping my head around this theory. You could be right about some pro lifers but I don't think that all of them push people over the edge on purpose.

I agree a lot with @FuneralCry

 

[Dr Iron Arc]

What you're suggesting is possible, after all they have in the past implied that some of the longtime members are leading a manipulative hypocritical cult for not killing ourselves immediately upon joining. They tend to believe that the people who are here and still alive are only here to manipulate innocent children to their deaths so they sometimes use that to justify wanting us to just kill ourselves already. They've also celebrated when some members that they didn't like have CTB'd in the past (if I'm remembering the response to Rue's story correctly). This is why I have little sympathy for them.

In my case though I could care less if they want me to die. I want me to die too but I don't love myself because of it so why should I like them just because we happen to agree on one thing? If I die, I could blame them in my note because I hate what they're trying to do to this site but in the end, my CTB will be purely my decision and nothing they ever attempt to do can stop me.

Then again, they could also just be that mindlessly naive and hypocritical themselves, unable to see how their misguided efforts to silence the resources for the suicidal are amplifying their desires further and pushing some of them further into despair.

 

[KuriGohan&Kamehameha]

When the doxxing of suicidal people is cheered on and revered as some twisted act of help, it is made apparent that there absolutely no goodwill present in the hearts of the "do gooders" .

You can vocalise rationally how forced interventions and punishments only serve to further scar and damage you, yet the pleas fall on deaf ears. People would rather you be drugged to impotency and oblivion and suffering from ptsd than, God forbid, have the freedom to speak your mind on an internet forum, the only place that is free of this authortarian nonsense.

If these self proclaimed good samaratins truly cared about the welfare of suicidal individuals they would not be doxxing members all over social media, nor would they plaster our most vunerable moments across front page news publications for spicy clicks.

They would not gleefully send off their loved ones to prison like facilities where at best they will be forced into isolation, deprived of their belongings, and guarded while they use the bathroom- and at worst, they will be forcibly injected with potent drug cocktails, strip searched, violated, and abused.

When the harms of "help" are discussed, our legitimate perspectives are regarded as little more than the ramblings of madmen. I have no doubts that most of the feigned concern comes from fear of liability/virtue signalling rather than genuine regard for our welfare.

 

[Capsicum_Corral]

one thing is certain for me, if I knew without a doubt that I'd always have access to N no matter what, I would be able to tolerate a lot more suffering without feeling the need to end it.

Why is access to N so important? There are numerous free and effective ways to self-terminate.

 

[myopybyproxy]

Why is access to N so important? There are numerous free and effective ways to self-terminate.

Name one - curious. No effective methods are free.

 

[CrossroadsCurious]

Step in front of a truck on the highway doing 60+ mph. Effective & free. You're welcome.

 

[lonleycrowdedwest]

Nyt listed like 45 deaths linked to this website in their article. If this website was taken down with no warning and no other resource besides useless hotlines, I would imagine hundreds would kill themselves in the following weeks. They are so in their own heads they refuse to listen to us, but the whole time they act as if they are empathizing. I do agree it is sickening, but I doubt their intention is to kill us. They just don't care what happens to us after this is gone.

 

[Elegy]

Hard to say. Hypothetical question. I've never actually met these "pro-lifers" you speak of. But if ever I do... I will ask them about that.

 

[Insomniac]

Why is access to N so important? There are numerous free and effective ways to self-terminate.

yeah, hanging is my method. but N would still be ideal

Step in front of a truck on the highway doing 60+ mph. Effective & free. You're welcome.

I don't like these kinds of method because it directly involves others. the chance of hurting other in the process of "playing in traffics" is ridiculously high.

Name one - curious. No effective methods are free.

hanging is free tbh