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How does the police and prison guards treat their prisoners? I'd rather endure a 3 minute beheading than rotting 30 years in a prison.This is an insane comparison. Yes, any government is technically just the strongest gang in a marked territory, and the Mexican government may have problems, but it's far and beyond the absolute barbarism of cartels. The government has thousands of policies and a degree of ethics and democracy guides a lot of these policy decisions. Fundamentally, the point of a democratic government is that it takes a cut of people's wealth in order to fund and provide public services and protection that everyone can benefit from. Every government must use force in order to protect its citizens and maintain order.
The average cartel however is a system designed solely to take as much power as possible. There is absolutely no care involved in cartel life for human life, only ambition, and this pursuit of power and dominance over others is characterised solely by extreme expolitation and coercion. They will kill and torture people in the most horrifically brutal ways to instill fear and respect for them for the sole means of fulfilling their desire for dominance over everyone. They want this dominance solely to extract as much value from everyone and everything as possible.
It's so insensitive to the victims of cartels to characterise the extreme violence and eploitation from a cartel as a form of government. That's sick. And y'all know you would choose the Mexican government over a Mexican cartel anyday. Stop trying to be so edgy.
Firstly, why 30 years? What did you do lol? And why 3 minutes? They can make it much longer if they want to. Just very random numbers pulled out of nowhere lol.How does the police and prison guards treat their prisoners? I'd rather endure a 3 minute beheading than rotting 30 years in a prison.
3 minutes, based on cartel videos I've watched. The body doesn't last that long when cut and stabbed repeatedly. Sure, the victims are beaten beforehand as they get abducted, but so do suspects being arrested by Mexican pigs, and the beatings continue for your entire prison life. The pigs there even use forced confessions. That's why I see less and less differences.Firstly, why 30 years? What did you do lol? And why 3 minutes? They can make it much longer if they want to. Just very random numbers pulled out of nowhere lol.
I agree. I never said cartels were better. But study any dictatorship calling itself a government and they treated their enemies no different than cartels. Also, cartels rarely attack random citizens. Some cartels even condemn other cartels for doing so. But as long as you don't cross their paths, try to get in on the drug trade, be a member of a rival cartel, betray them or insult them, you're good. Same with living in a dictatorship or military state. But yeah, both are violent.I hate the prison system too. But living under a cartel IS a prison. There is no perfect system in the world but a country ran by a cartel is about as fucking dystopian as it gets.
I don't have the capacity to fully respond. You're making a lot of assumptions out of my statement. I'm not trying to be edgy, thank you very much.This is an insane comparison. Yes, any government is technically just the strongest gang in a marked territory, and the Mexican government may have problems, but it's far and beyond the absolute barbarism of cartels. The government has thousands of policies and a degree of ethics and democracy guides a lot of these policy decisions. Fundamentally, the point of a democratic government is that it takes a cut of people's wealth in order to fund and provide public services and protection that everyone can benefit from. Every government must use force in order to protect its citizens and maintain order.
The average cartel however is a system designed solely to take as much power as possible. There is absolutely no care involved in cartel life for human life, only ambition, and this pursuit of power and dominance over others is characterised solely by extreme expolitation and coercion. They will kill and torture people in the most horrifically brutal ways to instill fear and respect for them for the sole means of fulfilling their desire for dominance over everyone. They want this dominance solely to extract as much value from everyone and everything as possible.
It's so insensitive to the victims of cartels to characterise the extreme violence and eploitation from a cartel as a form of government. That's sick. And y'all know you would choose the Mexican government over a Mexican cartel anyday. Stop trying to be so edgy.
I'm dead serious. If you study the origin of these cartels, many of them started as community protection groups or vigilantes. They even brag about being good guys and condemn rival cartels as evil. Also, study the origin of every legitimate government; they all started as rebel groups, terrorist groups etc. using brutal torture on enemies. Case in point, Taliban in Afghanistan. In one day they went from terrorist group insurgents to legitimate government.this must be sarcastic post since the title is ironic. for once i thought someone ACTUALLY compared a cartel to a government but then i realized you're just trollin
please say that you're trollin' come onnnnnn
Indeed. It makes me think about the history of the development of the police in the US. They started from slave catchers in the South and strike busters in the North. Their current capacity follows in that tradition.I'm dead serious. If you study the origin of these cartels, many of them started as community protection groups or vigilantes. They even brag about being good guys and condemn rival cartels as evil. Also, study the origin of every legitimate government; they all started as rebel groups, terrorist groups etc. using brutal torture on enemies. Case in point, Taliban in Afghanistan. In one day they went from terrorist group insurgents to legitimate government.
I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to OP. How is it not offensive? Imagine if some barbarians murdered your family and someone tells you they're akin to any legitimate government.I don't have the capacity to fully respond. You're making a lot of assumptions out of my statement. I'm not trying to be edgy, thank you very much.
My statement was about the coverage that the legitimacy of State provides for abuse of power. I'm in no way saying cartels are a form of government. Saying it's offensive to victims of cartels is a huge jump. I could as easily say that your statements are offensive to the victims of "legitimate" police violence.
I disagree that the function of police in a State is to protect everyone. It's clear that their purpose is slanted to the wealthy and status quo, that is who they serve and protect.
Yes, and this frustrates me endlessly with libertarian-thinkers. They just seem naive to reality and history. A lot of the institutions they talk about as being ideal creatures of a free-market already exist. They just don't like them now because they perceive themselves to be victims. Abolish government and the free-market will recreate it.Indeed. It makes me think about the history of the development of the police in the US. They started from slave catchers in the South and strike busters in the North. Their current capacity follows in that tradition.
The Taliban is now legitimate government. Women burned as witches were under "legitimate" kings. People held as political prisoners are under "legitimate" government. Black people under Jim Crow, that was "legitimate" government. Black people TODAY are shot under "legitimate" government. Most "legitimate" government in the third world today call themselves democratic and legitimate but torture people with prison, beatings, forced confessions etc. And whatever brutality western governments don't do to their own citizens now, they do it in the third world with their imperialist wars and interventions. I never said each and every government is as bad as cartels, but coming from an anarcho-pacifist perspective, every group using violent force to enforce their will is a type of government. Also, prison in itself is torture. If I came to your home, handcuffed you and locked you inside my basement for 10 years because you forgot to pay me a "fee" and you smoked cigarettes, I would be called a monster rightly so. EVEN IF I never beat you and I fed you with filet mignon every night. And yet when the "legitimate" government wants to imprison someone for decades due to not paying taxes or possessing weed, then suddenly it's all righteous and barely anyone questions the violence of it. It may not be "cutting off limbs" level violence, but prison is still violence.I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to OP. How is it not offensive? Imagine if some barbarians murdered your family and someone tells you they're akin to any legitimate government.
I mean, there have been plenty of cases of the police murdering people's family members...I wasn't talking to you. I was talking to OP. How is it not offensive? Imagine if some barbarians murdered your family and someone tells you they're akin to any legitimate government.
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Both "govern" you by threatening violent force to get what they want.
I'm from the US, so I'll just use American cops as an example: yes, technically, on paper, cops have a standard of operation, code of ethics, yadda yadda.This is an insane comparison. Yes, any government is technically just the strongest gang in a marked territory, and the Mexican government may have problems, but it's far and beyond the absolute barbarism of cartels. The government has thousands of policies and a degree of ethics and democracy guides a lot of these policy decisions. Fundamentally, the point of a democratic government is that it takes a cut of people's wealth in order to fund and provide public services and protection that everyone can benefit from. Every government must use force in order to protect its citizens and maintain order.
The average cartel however is a system designed solely to take as much power as possible. There is absolutely no care involved in cartel life for human life, only ambition, and this pursuit of power and dominance over others is characterised solely by extreme expolitation and coercion. They will kill and torture people in the most horrifically brutal ways to instill fear and respect for them for the sole means of fulfilling their desire for dominance over everyone. They want this dominance solely to extract as much value from everyone and everything as possible.
It's so insensitive to the victims of cartels to characterise the extreme violence and eploitation from a cartel as a form of government. That's sick. And y'all know you would choose the Mexican government over a Mexican cartel anyday. Stop trying to be so edgy.
Exactly. Ideology (or rather, propaganda) does not align with practice. There may be a constitution and a bill of rights. But are we really supposed to believe an organisation with armed goons will automatically follow their own limitations?I'm from the US, so I'll just use American cops as an example: yes, technically, on paper, cops have a standard of operation, code of ethics, yadda yadda.
In practice?
Nobody says this. What the hell are you talking about?And yet y'all are like "yeah cartels should take over now."
Western governments are participating in and supporting genocide in Palestine as we speak.But comparing western governments to cartels is loony and can only come from a place of privilege where you haven't experienced the true horrors of the world, the horror and constant peril of the places that have no order.
It's ironic that, yes, weapons of war are dirt cheap (internet connections and computers) whilst necessities are out of reach for many in the "western democratic world": food and shelter. Some people still grow up hungry. Labour still gets beaten with truncheons for asking for better conditions. Politicians still threaten to send in militarized forces for swathes of people who don't comply with coercion. Again, all this material wealth is a byproduct of technological progress. It is not somehow a magical, more egalitarian way of governing from a more humane, sympathetic, enlightened intelligentsia. The social conditions are much the same as it had been before the world wars.Bro y'all are so cynical. Everyone everywhere was oppressed by their governments in the past. But the 20th century has seen a massive change in how society perceives war and oppression. We are now living in the time with the least amount of violence, crime, poverty, and non-education as well as noncriminal deaths. The change has been undeniably dramatic and how we live today, especially in the western democratic world, is well and far beyond how the average person and even kings in the past used to live. We discuss and dissect intersectional oppression within society in order to identify and eliminate it. We live in welfare states where we support and fund the lives of vulnerable people. You're probably talking on here from the comfort of your own home on a technological device that costs hundreds at least and you're doing all of this within relative safety because your government protects you. You're all super privileged without even realising it. And yet y'all are like "yeah cartels should take over now." I get complaining about the still existent problems within society as we should in order to get society to where it needs to be. But comparing western governments to cartels is loony and can only come from a place of privilege where you haven't experienced the true horrors of the world, the horror and constant peril of the places that have no order. A democratic government has checks and procedures in place to listen to and determine what people want and the government is often made up of local constituents whose job it is to literally listen to and campaign for what you want. They have been growing increasingly democratic, human rights concerned, and environment concerned. A cartel member will murder you for your boots. So yeah, there's quite the difference between the two.
That's a truly pseudointellectual take.Again, all this material wealth is a byproduct of technological progress. It is not somehow a magical, more egalitarian way of governing from a more humane, sympathetic, enlightened intelligentsia. The social conditions are much the same as it had been before the world wars.
you do make a point. have a nice day and thankyou for the clarificationI'm dead serious. If you study the origin of these cartels, many of them started as community protection groups or vigilantes. They even brag about being good guys and condemn rival cartels as evil. Also, study the origin of every legitimate government; they all started as rebel groups, terrorist groups etc. using brutal torture on enemies. Case in point, Taliban in Afghanistan. In one day they went from terrorist group insurgents to legitimate government.