Method why don’t people here usually consider CTB by carbon monoxide (co)?

[pinkiemuffinpop]

i spent some time researching methods and looking for people with the same idea as mine. in my opinion, suicide by carbon monoxide (co) is the "easiest," least violent, and most painless method. it can be done in a way that causes less suffering, both psychologically and physically. but then, why don't i see many people considering it?


low chances of survival, no pain, less psychological suffering because it's not violent. to me, it seems perfect. can anyone explain? /gen

 

[Dejected 55]

I think because it is not as easy to do as many of the other methods. Once cars became too safe, that took the easy way to generate a lot of CO out of the hands of most people. Components are readily available to get to make CO, but it's not just easy to do without starting an unintended fire or not generating enough and so forth. Experts will know more than I , but that's what I've gathered reading online accounts.

 

[pinkiemuffinpop]

I think because it is not as easy to do as many of the other methods. Once cars became too safe, that took the easy way to generate a lot of CO out of the hands of most people. Components are readily available to get to make CO, but it's not just easy to do without starting an unintended fire or not generating enough and so forth. Experts will know more than I , but that's what I've gathered reading online accounts.

i was thinking about doing it in a bathroom, sealing off all the air vents, and using two charcoal grills. what do you think? does this method carry the same risks of going wrong?

 

[imOK]

It's dangerous to other people. Carbon monoxide isn't only very deadly, it's also flammable. If you plan this method, please leave a warning to other people what you did. You could kill somebody.

Lots of people also fuck the charcoal burning part up, smoke themselves and then have to abort the attempt. Not a problem if you study correctly but reading this forum for a bit now I get the feeling careful preperation is not a given.

 

[catfriend]

i was thinking about doing it in a bathroom, sealing off all the air vents, and using two charcoal grills. what do you think? does this method carry the same risks of going wrong?

it carries the same risks of going wrong, yes -- for you, and others who find you. would advise against doing it in a bathroom.

 

[sevennn]

i dont live alone+its flammable too. why not inert gas. its supposed to be better

 

[pinkiemuffinpop]

Eu não moro sozinho + ele também é inflamável. Por que não gás inerte? Dizem que é melhor

Eu mal tenho dinheiro para comida, então gás inerte não é uma opção para mim, infelizmente.

 

[Dejected 55]

I live alone in a house, so there would be no danger to anyone else while I'm doing it... but as noted, even if I got it all right there is the potential danger to whomever eventually finds me and I wouldn't want to hurt anyone else, even if I wouldn't be there to ever know about it. It would have been so much easier 30+ years ago when all you needed was an older car and either a garage or a hose and good tape to seal yourself inside.

 

[cloperti3345]

Because CO is flammable, and safer alternatives like nitrogen exist.

 

[TemporaryToTesting]

Lots of people here are on the younger side so might not have any easy source of CO (e.g car, lots of charcoal or other sooty items) nor a place for it to accumulate in.

CO is also considerably more difficult to set up than the typical sources.

It's also possible that you harm others in the process which is unlikely with solid substances.

Also, as mentioned by most other people, it's generally more dangerous than, say, nitrogen, due to flammability.

 

[dreadingthesharpnel]

it carries the same risks of going wrong, yes -- for you, and others who find you. would advise against doing it in a bathroom.

been wanting to try this aswell - where do you suggest I do this? it is the only accessible non painful method for me.

 

[HJKLM@1458]

Personally, i have absolutely no way of acquiring gas or chemicals : it's the good old fashioned rope. But if i could acquire CO and knew how to use it safely to not put other people's lives at risk then yeah, i would definitely use CO.

 

[NegevChina]

The charcoal generated CO method is rather a gamble, its very hard to pull off and requires pretesting for the amount of CO generated and how long it can be maintained. If it fails it is likely to leave permanent damage to organs and prolonged suffering. Unlike inert gas, the CO remains in the blood for days or more. So if someone attempts and fails, he remains in suffering for a long time and very likely suffer from permanent damage.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

It's been used for decades effectively. There have been multiple ctb with it here on SaSu without incident. You're making way more concern of potential flammability than there actually is. If so concerned about it, burn some charcoal in a small, sealed container and see if anything happens. It's a perfectly legit method and quite effective if done correctly. Certainly, it's easier and much less expensive than inert gas, more peaceful than hanging or drowning, and more attainable than firearms for most. With N all but impossible to obtain, and SN not far behind, there aren't too many methods remaining that produce a "relatively" peaceful, quick death. So, you get to take your pick of the least "evil" options still available, and I think CO ranks right up there at the top.

 

[kagebunshin]

It's been used for decades effectively. There have been multiple ctb with it here on SaSu without incident. You're making way more concern of potential flammability than there actually is. If so concerned about it, burn some charcoal in a small, sealed container and see if anything happens. It's a perfectly legit method and quite effective if done correctly. Certainly, it's easier and much less expensive than inert gas, more peaceful than hanging or drowning, and more attainable than firearms for most. With N all but impossible to obtain, and SN not far behind, there aren't too many methods remaining that produce a "relatively" peaceful, quick death. So, you get to take your pick of the least "evil" options still available, and I think CO ranks right up there at the top.

Agreed, I've been considering CO for a while now and also wonder why it isn't more popular. My personal issue is location as I live in an apartment building and don't own a car. I've thought about renting a cabin or a car to do it in, but I'm afraid of causing smoke damage to rental property. A tent is one option I've considered but I'm not sure how to seal it so that the CO doesn't leak out. For those reasons, I've chosen to go with SN over CO. I still think CO is a very good option though.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Agreed, I've been considering CO for a while now and also wonder why it isn't more popular. My personal issue is location as I live in an apartment building and don't own a car. I've thought about renting a cabin or a car to do it in, but I'm afraid of causing smoke damage to rental property. A tent is one option I've considered but I'm not sure how to seal it so that the CO doesn't leak out. For those reasons, I've chosen to go with SN over CO. I still think CO is a very good option though.

Right, the apartment thing is a bad deal. Tents are good. That's what I'll be using. Not too much sealing involved really. Mine has 1 entrance, a "window/screen, vent-type of opening, and a groundsheet that is attached. None of those roof vents. Either some plastic sheeting or even some of that rubberized paintable coating, will take care of the window. SN is fine, too. Nothing wrong with that. CO was just simpler for me than obtaining all the necessary meds.

 

[wham311]

It's been used for decades effectively. There have been multiple ctb with it here on SaSu without incident. You're making way more concern of potential flammability than there actually is. If so concerned about it, burn some charcoal in a small, sealed container and see if anything happens. It's a perfectly legit method and quite effective if done correctly. Certainly, it's easier and much less expensive than inert gas, more peaceful than hanging or drowning, and more attainable than firearms for most. With N all but impossible to obtain, and SN not far behind, there aren't too many methods remaining that produce a "relatively" peaceful, quick death. So, you get to take your pick of the least "evil" options still available, and I think CO ranks right up there at the top.

Do you have protocol that youve written up Somewhere?

 

[locked*n*loaded]

Do you have protocol that youve written up Somewhere?

Protocol? Not much to it really. Measure your space - height, width, and length. Multiply the measurements together to come up with the volume. If you measure in inches, convert to meters (m). Take your m³ volume and multiply it by 0.135 kg/m³. That will give you the minimum amount of charcoal to use in kilogram. If you want pounds, just use an online converter. Multiply the amount you calculated by at least 3 just to be safe. You can certainly use more with no issues.

Light charcoal outside and get it burning red-hot. Chimney starters work well for that. Once red-hot, transfer charcoal to metal pails and take into your space and set them on something that doesn't conduct heat well, such as bricks. Close up space and let CO build up for around 20 minutes. Next step is to go into space, close opening quickly, and take a few deep breaths.

A tent works good for a space. So does a small room. A vehicle could work, also. The smaller the better. Seal up any vents or windows. You can use plastic sheeting and tape. Don't use a room if it's attached to another person's home (apartment), or if people are in your own home.

Use good quality charcoal. Lump type seems to be preferred. That's what I have. 100% carbon if you can get it.

If you can afford it, buy a CO analyzer that is capable of measuring CO levels up to 10,000 ppm (parts per million). They run around $300 US. With this device, you are able to conduct a "test run" to make sure you can get the CO level up to a very high amount, and, if not, make changes (seal better, more charcoal) to your plan. 10,000 ppm, or more, is what you should be shooting for. It allows for a very quick time to unconsciousness, followed by death, shortly thereafter. Lower amounts will certainly kill you, but you will remain conscious longer, and *may* have to deal with, and suffer, some of the effects of CO poisoning until you breath in enough to render you unconscious.

 

[Amber1974!!]

i spent some time researching methods and looking for people with the same idea as mine. in my opinion, suicide by carbon monoxide (co) is the "easiest," least violent, and most painless method. it can be done in a way that causes less suffering, both psychologically and physically. but then, why don't i see many people considering it?


low chances of survival, no pain, less psychological suffering because it's not violent. to me, it seems perfect. can anyone explain? /gen

I tried this some years ago. Brought a burning charcoal grill into my bathroom and put it in the tub, put up warning signs for whoever found me, moved my cat into bedroom. I think I didn't wait long enough for coals to burn down, I couldn't handle the smoke and caved. If I had held out I should have been able to perish of smoke inhalation at least

 

[kagebunshin]

Right, the apartment thing is a bad deal. Tents are good. That's what I'll be using. Not too much sealing involved really. Mine has 1 entrance, a "window/screen, vent-type of opening, and a groundsheet that is attached. None of those roof vents. Either some plastic sheeting or even some of that rubberized paintable coating, will take care of the window. SN is fine, too. Nothing wrong with that. CO was just simpler for me than obtaining all the necessary meds.

With tents, is there any way to ascertain in advance if it's sealed enough to gather the CO? Sorry I know I should look this stuff up in the megathread but I'll ask in case you know. I'm inherently doubtful about tents because I think that if the oxygen etc we breathe filters through, why shouldn't the CO? We sleep in tents and can breathe just fine even though it's a supposedly closed, small space, which means there is airflow. Otherwise suffocation in tents would be an issue, no?

 

[thot88]

One of the reasons why this method is not more popular is that there is a lot of incorrect information about this method on this site.

 

[gottacheckout]

Red hot coals in a nylon tent, what can go wrong there?

CO is a definitely a viable option to ctb. While newer cars with catalytic converters won't work there are a lot of other options that don't have them.

 

[gojidoge]

One of the reasons why this method is not more popular is that there is a lot of incorrect information about this method on this site.

Can you elaborate please?

 

[lookingglassinsect]

I find this method to be peaceful as well, and it is quite common in East Asia.

 

[locked*n*loaded]

With tents, is there any way to ascertain in advance if it's sealed enough to gather the CO? Sorry I know I should look this stuff up in the megathread but I'll ask in case you know. I'm inherently doubtful about tents because I think that if the oxygen etc we breathe filters through, why shouldn't the CO? We sleep in tents and can breathe just fine even though it's a supposedly closed, small space, which means there is airflow. Otherwise suffocation in tents would be an issue, no?

In advance? Sure. By using a CO analyzer to measure if the CO generated can reach desired levels. I'm sure there's going to be some leakage. To build-up CO, the amount generated has to be more than what will be lost. It may not be an issue. Others have successfully ctb in tents without going to extreme measures to seal up the fabric. There was even a story (not here) about a woman who successfully ctb using CO by means of burning only wood and using a small tarp just large enough to capture the CO and stick her head under. I've thought about rolling on a rubberized coating of some sort on the tent's inner surface, but I won't take that step unless it becomes clear that I can't get the CO level high enough without doing that. But, I do have the benefit of actually measuring the CO level with an analyzer, also.

 

[kagebunshin]

In advance? Sure. By using a CO analyzer to measure if the CO generated can reach desired levels. I'm sure there's going to be some leakage. To build-up CO, the amount generated has to be more than what will be lost. It may not be an issue. Others have successfully ctb in tents without going to extreme measures to seal up the fabric. There was even a story (not here) about a woman who successfully ctb using CO by means of burning only wood and using a small tarp just large enough to capture the CO and stick her head under. I've thought about rolling on a rubberized coating of some sort on the tent's inner surface, but I won't take that step unless it becomes clear that I can't get the CO level high enough without doing that. But, I do have the benefit of actually measuring the CO level with an analyzer, also.

I suppose draping the entire tent with a plastic tarpaulin would work, and lining the hem with rocks or something to keep it down. I read that CO isn't heavier than air so it shouldn't leak so quickly from small gaps in the bottom anyway. An analyser would be perfect but wow what a price tag!

 

[locked*n*loaded]

I suppose draping the entire tent with a plastic tarpaulin would work, and lining the hem with rocks or something to keep it down. I read that CO isn't heavier than air so it shouldn't leak so quickly from small gaps in the bottom anyway. An analyser would be perfect but wow what a price tag!

Yeah, I think adding another layer over the top, like a tarp, could help. For the bottom, make sure the tent has an attached ground sheet.

 

[iLikeFrogs]

it'd be way too easy to f it up or kill the rest of my family if I tried. my apartament is ventilated too so I surely would fail

 

[TheLastGreySky]

i spent some time researching methods and looking for people with the same idea as mine. in my opinion, suicide by carbon monoxide (co) is the "easiest," least violent, and most painless method. it can be done in a way that causes less suffering, both psychologically and physically. but then, why don't i see many people considering it?


low chances of survival, no pain, less psychological suffering because it's not violent. to me, it seems perfect. can anyone explain? /gen

I think the main reason is it's kind of obvious unless your garage is completely sealed. Now I know that other people do it with like charcoal burners in their car and that's been reported as very successful, I actually don't know why more people don't consider it so I'm following this post

 

[Cakeisalie]

It has always been my preferred method, I will use it in conjunction with SN so that it becomes an "anti-failure" mechanism, the important thing is to use it in a place where it does not harm other people or animals nearby, family members or rescue teams.