Yet another reason I'm for voluntary euthanasia

[TAW122]

As you all know, I'm pro-choice and I support people's right and freedom to decide whether they should live life or end their lives. Voluntary euthanasia allows people to be able to decide whether they wish to continue living or not. So with that said, here is an additional reason of why I'm for voluntary euthanasia. Before I begin, I will discuss a bit about the status of prostitution and sex work, so please bear with me.

Currently, prostitution and sex work is illegal in most parts of the world (including the US, barring one state, which is Nevada) and just in case anyone is wondering, I'm pro-sex work, as long as is done responsibly, safely (with protection and done with both parties' consent - no 3rd party nor government should decide what two consenting parties do as long as it doesn't harm others.). However, let's suppose that if sex work (buying and selling of such services) were legal now, it still doesn't solve all the people's problems (some people will still get turned down from sex workers - after all, if it is legal, regulated, it is still technically a free market). I know that before I lost my virginity, I went to a place where buying/selling sexual services is legal (The Netherlands, Amsterdam) and had I not been successful, I would have CTB'd in 2019 and not seen 2020. Therefore, I can somewhat relate to the less fortunate people, the people who are so sexually undesirable that even escorts, sex workers, and the like reject them.

Ok, tangent done and back to my main point. So since there will always be people who suffer regardless of legalizations of certain things and vices, they will always endure the emotional and psychological pain of lacking it, thus by legalizing voluntary euthanasia, it allows them a way out of their miserable existence. I would say that also, there will always be miserable people and those that regardless of the amount of things that are available for them, it doesn't help them, therefore, death is as big as it gets in the grand scheme of things (a person's life). In other words, these people who aren't able to fulfill their urges and desires and would suffer thoroughout their entire life should be given the option to peacefully end their lives. While being a permanent virgin isn't a reason alone (that would even qualify medically), that could lead to other reasons like chronic emotional suffering and treatment resistant depression or stuff like that (basically permanent ailments). I recall a Belgian woman was euthanized for mental health reasons as well as a Dutch woman in her late 20's (29) in the Netherlands. I believe if someone is suffering long enough and has exhausted all (reasonable and legitimate) avenues for relief, then he/she deserves a dignified exit to end his/her suffering.

 

[deadalready1969]

I am here because there is no option for me to die with dignity, which I would prefer for myself and loved ones who watch me suffer daily with treatment-resistant depression and PTSD. It's not as if I don't try to get well. I was in inpatient and outpatient programs again this year, I go to therapy every week, I see my psychiatrist regularly though no medications are helpful, I get ketamine infusions every few weeks to dampen the suicidal ideation. My illness will bankrupt me before I die of natural causes. So I am left to take matters into my own hands in order to find peace. That won't leave those I leave behind at peace, but we aren't given the option to make end-of-life decisions for ourselves in thoughtful ways. I believe more people are capable of doing so than given credit simply because they may have been diagnosed with a mental illness rather than a physical one.

 

[MeltingHeart]

The only gray area I can see with euthanasia for mental health issues (which I am generally pro - yet know it's never gonna really happen- except in those exceptional cases where it has been) is at what point would they be able to decide that someone can't recover - as SOME people do- like how many months or years would someone have to be suffering from ptsd or severe depression before it was deemed untreatable & therefore chronic- like how many meds/ treatments should need to be tried or tested before everyone would accept that this person will not be able to "get better" and therefore would be suffering from mental anguish for the rest of their lives. There are no easy answers & I can see how it could be difficult to regulate. Though I personally think it def should be allowed in many cases. Myself included! (I wish) There was one story that broke my heart in the US that was of a youngish man who's mental disorder meant he actuallly felt pain constantly - even though nothing was wrong with his body- the pain 'centers' in his brain (not sure of clinical name) made him feel it. If it wasn't for that he would not have wanted to die - he had to tried to campaign for his right to die for years but was denied - even his family that loved him dearly could understand it- because they had seen him suffering for so long. He had to sneak off in the middle of the night, to a motel, alone to ctb. He couldn't tell or be around his family or of course they would have been implicated in his death. :(

 

[I’vehadenough]

I agree. I'm on here bc I lost my good looks overnight, so I know the hell you are going through, especially since I have my old life to compare myself with. But I was denied euthenasia bc they need medical documentation. Wtf lol. What md is gonna sign that you're looks are gone and this is incurable? I live in the US. Disney culture. We like to sugar coat everyone's pain and think there is a solution to everything

 

[MeltingHeart]

I agree. I'm on here bc I lost my good looks overnight, so I know the hell you are going through, especially since I have my old life to compare myself with. But I was denied euthenasia bc they need medical documentation. Wtf lol. What md is gonna sign that you're looks are gone and this is incurable? I live in the US. Disney culture. We like to sugar coat everyone's pain and think there is a solution to everything

how did u lose yr looks overngt if u dont mind me asking? Mine have most certainly declined since having a breakdown- but it is not why I want to ctb. Is it yr main reason for wanting to ctb? cant imagine a time when a legislation would be passed to allow that as a reason for euthanasia - do you think is should be (theoretically speaking?)

 

[WhiteDespair]

Let's have everyone do a trial run. You go out. You come back. Still want to go through with it?

I agree. I'm on here bc I lost my good looks overnight, so I know the hell you are going through, especially since I have my old life to compare myself with. But I was denied euthenasia bc they need medical documentation. Wtf lol. What md is gonna sign that you're looks are gone and this is incurable? I live in the US. Disney culture. We like to sugar coat everyone's pain and think there is a solution to everything

Literally overnight?

 

[I’vehadenough]

how did u lose yr looks overngt if u dont mind me asking? Mine have most certainly declined since having a breakdown- but it is not why I want to ctb. Is it yr main reason for wanting to ctb? cant imagine a time when a legislation would be passed to allow that as a reason for euthanasia - do you think is should be (theoretically speaking?)

A doctor permanently Disfigured me. Its DEF a good reason.

 

[WhiteDespair]

You weren't kidding. That is literal. That sucks.

 

[MeltingHeart]

A doctor permanently Disfigured me. Its DEF a good reason.

Im sorry to hear that. That is sad- was it plastic surgery? I think they have alot to answer for! its insane how many things can go wrong - or even in cases when people may have body dysmorphia originally (not saying you do/ did btw) and they go to have an extreme amount of plastic surgery that fcks them up- when really it was their underlying disorder that needed treating- these surgeries & types of 'doctors' should be far move heavily regulated in my opinion.

Let's have everyone do a trial run. You go out. You come back. Still want to go through with it?



Literally overnight?

@WhiteDespair what do you mean 'go out'? as in die and come back?!! not sure I get it, yr just jokng or im missing somethin?

 

[WhiteDespair]

Im sorry to hear that. That is sad- was it plastic surgery? I think they have alot to answer for! its insane how many things can go wrong - or even in cases when people may have body dysmorphia originally (not saying you do/ did btw) and they go to have an extreme amount of plastic surgery that fcks them up- when really it was their underlying disorder that needed treating- these surgeries & types of 'doctors' should be far move heavily regulated in my opinion.

@WhiteDespair what do you mean 'go out'? as in die and come back?!! not sure I get it, yr just jokng or im missing somethin?

Yes. You die but are brought back under controlled conditions. Or, at least, be rendered unconscious. It could be dragged out, combined with an intervention, etc. to make sure. Try before you buy.

 

[Life sucks]

I'm with it and freedom of choice, there are many problems that we suffer from and sometimes the problems are inherent in life itself. For example, some people would live a cool life but when they age, it'll be terrible experience and they couldn't withstand it. That's the problem of time that make everything deteriorates and ends.

I think voluntary euthanasia will force humans to think about their wrongs and improve life instead of continuing the shit. Understanding how those problems made people quit life by their choice. However, I don't know how it will be applied effectively without problems.

 

[MeltingHeart]

Yes. You die but are brought back under controlled conditions. Or, at least, be rendered unconscious. It could be dragged out, combined with an intervention, etc. to make sure. Try before you buy.

wow- thats a pretty out there concept! reminds me of a 90's film called Flatliners- where medical students explore the afterlife by allowing themselves to die & then being resuscitated- if you like cult sci-fi psychological horror films, id recommend it (original not remake!) Key quote: "today is a good day to die"

 

[I’vehadenough]

Im sorry to hear that. That is sad- was it plastic surgery? I think they have alot to answer for! its insane how many things can go wrong - or even in cases when people may have body dysmorphia originally (not saying you do/ did btw) and they go to have an extreme amount of plastic surgery that fcks them up- when really it was their underlying disorder that needed treating- these surgeries & types of 'doctors' should be far move heavily regulated in my opinion.

@WhiteDespair what do you mean 'go out'? as in die and come back?!! not sure I get it, yr just jokng or im missing somethin?

it was the drugs for the surgery that disfigured my face badly. They caused my face to decay so bad, I look worse than the people on faces of meth. Imagine going the rest of your life looking like an ugly junkie. I'd rather have my face burned off then look like this.
Although it was a type of plastic surgery, it was a surgery because I was assaulted by somebody who broke my face. If I had to choose between a broken face and what those drugs did to my face, I would choose the broken face in a heartbeat. I still wanted to live with a broken face

 

[MeltingHeart]

it was the drugs for the surgery that disfigured my face badly. They caused my face to decay so bad, I look worse than the people on faces of meth. Imagine going the rest of your life looking like an ugly junkie. I'd rather have my face burned off then look like this.
Although it was a type of plastic surgery, it was a surgery because I was assaulted by somebody who broke my face. If I had to choose between a broken face and what those drugs did to my face, I would choose the broken face in a heartbeat. I still wanted to live with a broken face

youd rather have yr face burned off?!! yr distraught, angry and upset but thats a pretty bold statement- but i will go with the thght that we all use hyperbole to make a point, esp. when we are very emotional. Either way I am sorry for what you have been through.

 

[Reyki6667]

Good reason, allow them to be euthanasied to harvest the organs and give them to the people who want to live.
win win.

 

[deadalready1969]

Good reason, allow them to be euthanasied to harvest the organs and give them to the people who want to live.
win win.

I've often thought that by leaving I'd be helping someone who has much joy in their life and a strong will to live, live.

I wonder though if I would pass along stored trauma, as trauma changes us at a cellular level and that becomes part of our DNA and is even passed down through generations.

 

[I’vehadenough]

youd rather have yr face burned off?!! yr distraught, angry and upset but thats a pretty bold statement- but i will go with the thght that we all use hyperbole to make a point, esp. when we are very emotional. Either way I am sorry for what you have been through.

You don't know how bad this is. Burn victems still have a part of their face that they recognize, whether it's an eye or whatever. My whole face is decayed. My eyes look all deformed too. It's beyond fucked up

 

[MeltingHeart]

You don't know how bad this is. Burn victems still have a part of their face that they recognize, whether it's an eye or whatever. My whole face is decayed. My eyes look all deformed too. It's beyond fucked up

That is simply not strictly true- sometimes they r injured beyond all recognition-this happens alot! some blind, unable to smell or eat properly etc.- and the pain they endured whilst it was happening would have been beyond words- but anyway, I dont think it needs to be about comparing to other people (least of all ones also in pain) in whatever state or situation you are in. We all have our kind of pain; mental, physical or whatever it is- there is no point and nothing to be gained in measuring yr own plight against others- in order to highlight how bad ones own situation is- in the same way I would not want others to tell me about people that are 'worst off' than me in life in order to try and make me 'feel better' - as if it would automatically bestow me with a sense of how lucky I am to be alive - I know it doesnt work like, its not that easy. I feel awful for anyone that is suffering, on what ever level it might be & for which ever reason.

 

[I’vehadenough]

That is simply not strictly true- sometimes they r injured beyond all recognition-this happens alot! some blind, unable to smell or eat properly etc.- and the pain they endured whilst it was happening would have been beyond words- but anyway, I dont think it needs to be about comparing to other people (least of all ones also in pain) in whatever state or situation you are in. We all have our kind of pain; mental, physical or whatever it is- there is no point and nothing to be gained in measuring yr own plight against others- in order to highlight how bad ones own situation is- in the same way I would not want others to tell me about people that are 'worst off' than me in life in order to try and make me 'feel better' - as if it would automatically bestow me with a sense of how lucky I am to be alive - I know it doesnt work like, its not that easy. I feel awful for anyone that is suffering, on what ever level it might be & for which ever reason.

some people can live through disfigurements, some people can't. I think it's about fifty-fifty. I've read about disfigured soldiers from wars will come back and shoot themselves, and I read about some that don't. It depends on the person, their background, a lot of factors. I'm not the type of person who can live with it, not with my background and everything. It depends on the disfigurement to. Like I said, if half my face were burned off but I could still recognize my other half, I would still want to live through it. I wouldn't care what people said. But this is something so grotesque that I doubt many people would want to live through it. it's also a cover up from drug companies, because I know of two guys this happened to and they both killed themselves. And those are men.

 

[MeltingHeart]

some people can live through disfigurements, some people can't. I think it's about fifty-fifty. I've read about disfigured soldiers from wars will come back and shoot themselves, and I read about some that don't. It depends on the person, their background, a lot of factors. I'm not the type of person who can live with it, not with my background and everything. It depends on the disfigurement to. Like I said, if half my face were burned off but I could still recognize my other half, I would still want to live through it. I wouldn't care what people said. But this is something so grotesque that I doubt many people would want to live through it. it's also a cover up from drug companies, because I know of two guys this happened to and they both killed themselves. And those are men.

I'm sorry you went through this - the medical professionals should be held accountable - as should the drug companies! It was not something I knew about - I'd never heard of a drug having such bad effects -except in the cases of as u mentioned long term drug addicts. How is it if even still legal?! Same with the Oxy epidemic in the states-that drug should be banned imo.

I've often thought that by leaving I'd be helping someone who has much joy in their life and a strong will to live, live.

I wonder though if I would pass along stored trauma, as trauma changes us at a cellular level and that becomes part of our DNA and is even passed down through generations.

Woah that's an interesting theory - I'm not sure DNA works like that though- I think it would have to be a whole lot of yr genetic make up- not just one organ- I could be wrong thou @deadalready

 

[I’vehadenough]

I'm sorry you went through this - the medical professionals should be held accountable - as should the drug companies! It was not something I knew about - I'd never heard of a drug having such bad effects -except in the cases of as u mentioned long term drug addicts. How is it if even still legal?! Same with the Oxy epidemic in the states-that drug should be banned imo.

Woah that's an interesting theory - I'm not sure DNA works like that though- I think it would have to be a whole lot of yr genetic make up- not just one organ- I could be wrong thou

The pharmecuetical companies ever being responsible for anything?? Hahahaha that'll be the day. I trust street dealers more than doctors, at least they don't lie about the side effects

 

[WhiteDespair]

The pharmecuetical companies ever being responsible for anything?? Hahahaha that'll be the day. I trust street dealers more than doctors, at least they don't lie about the side effects

My condolences. To have that taken away from you. That's heartbreaking.

 

[I’vehadenough]

My condolences. To have that taken away from you. That's heartbreaking.

Thank you

 

[MeltingHeart]

The pharmecuetical companies ever being responsible for anything?? Hahahaha that'll be the day. I trust street dealers more than doctors, at least they don't lie about the side effects

whats the drug even called they gave you?!

 

[FTL.Wanderer]

So since there will always be people who suffer regardless of legalizations of certain things and vices, they will always endure the emotional and psychological pain of lacking it, thus by legalizing voluntary euthanasia, it allows them a way out of their miserable existence.

Wholly agree. Sadly, even many suicidal people strongly disagree. :/

 

[Not_Quite_Dead_Yet]

it was the drugs for the surgery that disfigured my face badly. They caused my face to decay so bad, I look worse than the people on faces of meth. Imagine going the rest of your life looking like an ugly junkie. I'd rather have my face burned off then look like this.
Although it was a type of plastic surgery, it was a surgery because I was assaulted by somebody who broke my face. If I had to choose between a broken face and what those drugs did to my face, I would choose the broken face in a heartbeat. I still wanted to live with a broken face

Oh, good grief! That is a terrible story from start to finish. I am so sorry for what you went though with the assault and then the disaster the surgery caused.

 

[I’vehadenough]

whats the drug even called they gave you?!

Prednisone. But any drug can do this to someone. It's a chemical reaction. Doctors will deny it, but they work with drug companies.

Oh, good grief! That is a terrible story from start to finish. I am so sorry for what you went though with the assault and then the disaster the surgery caused.

Thank you. It's been pure hell since then. Just the way people look at me, especially teenage girls...they look discusted by me like they don't ever want to look like this. Before this happened, they were wishing to look like me when they got older

 

[MaybeMaybeKnot]

I was reading Pegasos's literature on their website. They allow anyone who wants to CTB. For any reason. It's pretty interesting. It's 10,000 euros but they claim to take pride in not turning people away for financial reasons.

Prednisone. But any drug can do this to someone. It's a chemical reaction. Doctors will deny it, but they work with drug companies.

Thank you. It's been pure hell since then. Just the way people look at me, especially teenage girls...they look discusted by me like they don't ever want to look like this. Before this happened, they were wishing to look like me when they got older

Oh, prednisone can have such awful side effects. I'm so sorry that you have to endure them still. It's terrifying how much they still use it and just hope for the best. Have you considered any legal recourse?

 

[MeltingHeart]

The pharmecuetical companies ever being responsible for anything?? Hahahaha that'll be the day. I trust street dealers more than doctors, at least they don't lie about the side effects

I was reading Pegasos's literature on their website. They allow anyone who wants to CTB. For any reason. It's pretty interesting. It's 10,000 euros but they claim to take pride in not turning people away for financial reasons.

Oh, prednisone can have such awful side effects. I'm so sorry that you have to endure them still. It's terrifying how much they still use it and just hope for the best. Have you considered any legal recourse?

crazy how expensive it is-just to go somewhere for someone to give you a small dose of something to ctb!

 

[I’vehadenough]

I was reading Pegasos's literature on their website. They allow anyone who wants to CTB. For any reason. It's pretty interesting. It's 10,000 euros but they claim to take pride in not turning people away for financial reasons.

Oh, prednisone can have such awful side effects. I'm so sorry that you have to endure them still. It's terrifying how much they still use it and just hope for the best. Have you considered any legal recourse?

What's pegasos literature and where can I find it?