Method Zopiclone: onset time and strength?

[Michi_Violeta]

Hey everyone!

Zopiclone is the only sedative I've been able to get my hands on, benzodiazepine is out of my reach and so is SN apparently. I'm planning on ctb with a chloroquine overdose, as per the PPH, but while researching this method I found something troubling on another thread and that got me thinking if zopiclone would be adequate with certain adjustments to the protocol or if it will flat out not work.

"In the WOZZ book, the use of zopiclone as a sleeping pill, a modern sleeping pill from the group of so-called Z-drugs, which act similarly to benzodiazepines, but are supposed to have a lesser influence on sleep architecture, is also reported in the context of the documented cases: "5 persons took zopiclone as a sleeping pill; 2 of them took 300mg. Sleep aid; 2 of them took 300mg. In the others, the dose was unknown. In 2 subjects taking zopiclone, it took longer than half an hour for them to fall asleep. One of them experienced painful muscle contractions triggered by chloroquine while fully conscious. For the relatives present, this was an extremely upsetting experience. The authors therefore plead against the use of zopiclone" (quoted from Admiraal, Chabot, Ogden, Loenen, van, Pennings: Wege zu einem humanen, selbstbestimmten Sterben, Amsterdam, 2008, p.88)."

Yikes, yeah, I don't want that. But I wonder, what if I take the zopiclone 50 minutes or so before the chloroquine drink, allowing the sedative more time to work? What if I combine it with amitriptyline to amplify the effects of the chloroquine and to further induce sleep? Does anybody have any experience with this drug? Is it strong enough for me to sleep through cardiac arrest and die in my sleep? Please, everyone, I don't have a set date, but I want to make sure I have a proper, effective, and peaceful method ready so I can die when I deem fit dying.

 

[Michi_Violeta]

BUMP

Please guys, anyone with experience taking zopiclone!? Time is running out for me and the possibility of zopiclone not being strong enough for a relatively peaceful death is scaring me :c

 

[Mayonaise]

Z-drugs are not suited for this kind of lethal drugs. They are designed to induce sleep, not to maintain it. In my experience, their effect wears off pretty fast, which means you may wake up 1 or 2 hours later - but everybody's different. You need a heavy dose of long-acting benzo like diazepam to fall and stay asleep while your heart gives up. The PPeH suggests unregulated benzos which could purportedly be bought legally, but it depends on your country's regulations.

Amitriptyline is also discussed in the PPeH. It is lethal on its own and yes, it is sedating, but I know nothing about mixing it with chloroquine. People have died with an Ami OD alone but unfortunately we don't know whether they regained consciousness or slept trought it all, whether it was painful or not, etc. The end-of-life protocols involving Ami also use Diazepam (and possibly morphine) to induce and maintain sleep. Ami + digoxin is much more reliable but benzos are still recommended

 

[Michi_Violeta]

Z-drugs are not suited for this kind of lethal drugs. They are designed to induce sleep, not to maintain it. In my experience, their effect wears off pretty fast, which means you may wake up 1 or 2 hours later - but everybody's different. You need a heavy dose of long-acting benzo like diazepam to fall and stay asleep while your heart gives up. The PPeH suggests unregulated benzos which could purportedly be bought legally, but it depends on your country's regulations.

Amitriptyline is also discussed in the PPeH. It is lethal on its own and yes, it is sedating, but I know nothing about mixing it with chloroquine. People have died with an Ami OD alone but unfortunately we don't know whether they regained consciousness or slept trought it all, whether it was painful or not, etc. The end-of-life protocols involving Ami also use Diazepam (and possibly morphine) to induce and maintain sleep. Ami + digoxin is much more reliable but benzos are still recommended

Thank you very much for the detailed and informative reply! I'll have to try and ask somewhere else for benzos, but they're sadly a regulated medication in my country and it's the only piece of the puzzle I haven't been able to find a loophole for.

I've changed my mind about the method I'll use and think SN will be more likely. Maybe amitriptyline and zopiclone could be used together as sedatives for this method? Think it could work instead of benzos?

 

[Mayonaise]

If you can't obtain a benzo prescription from a doctor (i.e. complaining about insomnia) you can try the Dark Web or clearnet research chemicals websites. They sell chemicals which are unregulated in the vendor's country so the seller isn't breaking the law. You can find legit benzos or other similar research substances which are not intended for human consumption because they are not approved nor tested on humans. I'm not suggesting you to become a guinea pig, just remember this might be a way to get what you want if you're willing to research these chemicals and take a bit of risk.
Also, there are a lot of scams in the clearnet so you must check if the webshop is legit. It's a bit more complicated than this but it should give you an idea.

I honestly don't know about amitriptyline and zopiclone for the SN protocol - I never read about somebody doing that so you'd be going into uncharted territories. I think a heavy dose of Zopiclone + SN wouldn't be a problem, but adding amitriptyline may be counterproductive. It may increase nausea/vomiting or induce other nasty side-effects.
Do you take Ami on the regular? Are you familiar with the dose you need to achieve sedation? Did you ever experience side-effects?

 

[Michi_Violeta]

If you can't obtain a benzo prescription from a doctor (i.e. complaining about insomnia) you can try the Dark Web or clearnet research chemicals websites. They sell chemicals which are unregulated in the vendor's country so the seller isn't breaking the law. You can find legit benzos or other similar research substances which are not intended for human consumption because they are not approved nor tested on humans. I'm not suggesting you to become a guinea pig, just remember this might be a way to get what you want if you're willing to research these chemicals and take a bit of risk.
Also, there are a lot of scams in the clearnet so you must check if the webshop is legit. It's a bit more complicated than this but it should give you an idea.

I honestly don't know about amitriptyline and zopiclone for the SN protocol - I never read about somebody doing that so you'd be going into uncharted territories. I think a heavy dose of Zopiclone + SN wouldn't be a problem, but adding amitriptyline may be counterproductive. It may increase nausea/vomiting or induce other nasty side-effects.
Do you take Ami on the regular? Are you familiar with the dose you need to achieve sedation? Did you ever experience side-effects?

Can't thank you enough for your advice, thanks a bunch! It's always a pain in the ass getting things delivered to my country and the international postal service sucks, plus —stereotypes aside— Colombian customs are particularly strict. There's not much research going on here so that'd be a no go too. I think I could simply ask in a small neighborhood drugstore and ask for a blister of benzo saying a friend said it helped her sleep.

I have 225mg of zopiclone (30 x 7.5 tablets) and not sure if that'd be enough, I'm unsure about a lot of stuff and it's very hard coming up with alternatives when there's little information (for obvious reasons) that's why I appreciate your input so much. I think the ami would be a relatively small dose, definitely not enough to be the main cause of the OD, but no idea about the interaction with zopiclone. I've only taken ami once, like half a tablet to help me sleep early on New Year's Eve and it took an hour or so until I could feel the effect. Never taken zopiclone, just bought it because it's sadly the only sedative I've been able to buy without a prescription.

 

[Mayonaise]

I appreciate your kind words, muchas gracias. My advice is to avoid using Ami with SN - you're not very experienced with the drug and we have no first-hand accounts of people mixing the two. On the other hand, 9/10 grams of Ami alone is potentially very lethal, but time to death may be pretty long - many hours, so you have to make sure you're alone. And long-acting benzos are recommended anyway.

Regarding zopiclone, I only took it a few times so I'm not familiar with the dosages. My advice is doing a test run with a standard dose to see how it affects you and how long it takes to kick in. Then you can time your SN drink accordingly.

This may sound ridiculous to you, but have you considered pentobarbital? Looks like some people were able to obtain it in Colombia

 

[askmeifimatree]

Hey, I hope you are okay. My psychiatrist gave me Zopiclone as a short-term solution to my insomnia. If you've never used it before it works really quickly and it's quite effective, 225mg of Zopiclone is overkill for what you're trying to achieve. If you fail you will just end up in hospital. I have been on both benzos (diazepam 10mg) and zopiclone (7.5mg but started at 3.75mg) at the same time and found zopiclone more effective in knocking me out. I'm not sure about the overdose method you are using, but I am using SN so I'm not using my Zopiclone as sedative because I feel like I will just fall asleep an throw up.

 

[Michi_Violeta]

Thank you both for your replies, you've been quite helpful so far!

I appreciate your kind words, muchas gracias. My advice is to avoid using Ami with SN - you're not very experienced with the drug and we have no first-hand accounts of people mixing the two. On the other hand, 9/10 grams of Ami alone is potentially very lethal, but time to death may be pretty long - many hours, so you have to make sure you're alone. And long-acting benzos are recommended anyway.

Regarding zopiclone, I only took it a few times so I'm not familiar with the dosages. My advice is doing a test run with a standard dose to see how it affects you and how long it takes to kick in. Then you can time your SN drink accordingly.

This may sound ridiculous to you, but have you considered pentobarbital? Looks like some people were able to obtain it in Colombia

I'll avoid using ami then and I've settled on SN as my preferred method so it won't be an lengthy and probably unreliable overdose. I'm trying a test run these couple of nights going with the information in this thread and will update in case someone else is considering zopiclone + SN due to a lack of access to benzos. Thanks again for your input! Oh, and about pentobarbital: the thing is that it's perfectly legal for anyone with a vet's license, so it'll probably require some quite shady contacts to get because it's really a niche market (most suicides here involve jumping, hanging, or murder-suicide in the most violent cases). Here's hoping SN will suffice.

Hey, I hope you are okay. My psychiatrist gave me Zopiclone as a short-term solution to my insomnia. If you've never used it before it works really quickly and it's quite effective, 225mg of Zopiclone is overkill for what you're trying to achieve. If you fail you will just end up in hospital. I have been on both benzos (diazepam 10mg) and zopiclone (7.5mg but started at 3.75mg) at the same time and found zopiclone more effective in knocking me out. I'm not sure about the overdose method you are using, but I am using SN so I'm not using my Zopiclone as sedative because I feel like I will just fall asleep an throw up.

I was thinking on taking the whole 225mg because the PPH protocol for SN mentions taking a whole blister of Oxazepam. I wouldn't be using the zopiclone as the main method, just as a sedative so I'm not sure if an overkill would be good or bad in this scenario. Thanks for your input, I appreciate it a lot, tried yesterday with a 3.75 mg initial dose and didn't feel like it didn't do much of anything, I just fell asleep normally after around 50 minutes. Tonight I'll try with a 7.5 mg dose and tomorrow with a 10 mg one and see how it goes. Here's hoping I can feel the knock out effect you mention.

Oh, and I've given up on the idea of an amitryptiline or chloroquine overdose going by the information I've gathered. I'll be using SN too, but I'm scared that zopiclone and SN won't be a good match. It's so fucking ironic and stupid: getting SN turned out to be a breeze, but benzos are nigh impossible to find!

 

[Mayonaise]

If you search the forum you might find people willing to travel to Colombia or South America to find pento. If you're not familiar with forum slang, many people still call it "N" (Nembutal), even though it's a brand name which is not manufactured anymore.
Sorry, didn't mean to derail your post, it was just an idea