A Press Release and Commenting on Recent Events

[raindrops]

Wow I can't believe that they actually made a whole Petition for this and got almost 10,000 signatures.
Imagine if they invested all this time in actually helping depressed and suicidal people, but all they have been doing is just trying to take down suicidal peoples freedom of speech in a forum.
Isn't that very ironic?
Damn. Must be our bad that your child which was a minor had access to our site that is clearly 18+. Wanna go take down pornhub next?

exactly that, why don't they focus on parents using those things that stops minors going on websites they shouldnt!
i remember being in middle school and a friend of mine had a personal computer in her room, but her mum had this protection thing on so her children couldn't access websites for adults, im sure this included things like Bebo & Myspace at the time!! i remember it being sensitive to most websites.
what happened to those child protection online things i dont know the name off.
if you dont want your kids on certain website get a child lock thing ffs.

 

[Scotty]

Wow I can't believe that they actually made a whole Petition for this and got almost 10,000 signatures.
Imagine if they invested all this time in actually helping depressed and suicidal people, but all they have been doing is just trying to take down suicidal peoples freedom of speech in a forum.
Isn't that very ironic?
Damn. Must be our bad that your child which was a minor had access to our site that is clearly 18+. Wanna go take down pornhub next?

I know. I know that this is horrible, but God forbid that they blame themselves. They should have had better control over what their kids were doing on-line. They should have gotten better therapy. They should have listened more. They should have stayed home for dinner every night instead of trying to make more money to buy that better car or house or instead of having that affair. This is just a deflection for them. They feel tremendous guilt and they are choosing to blame us instead of the real systemic problem of bad mental health care and apoathetic parenting. They also blame teachers in our society for all of their kids problems as well. Most people should not have kids. Sorry for my rant. Let me know if I'm too harsh.

 

[Avyn]

exactly that, why don't they focus on parents using those things that stops minors going on websites they shouldnt!
i remember being in middle school and a friend of mine had a personal computer in her room, but her mum had this protection thing on so her children couldn't access websites for adults, im sure this included things like Bebo & Myspace at the time!! i remember it being sensitive to most websites.
what happened to those child protection online things i dont know the name off.
if you dont want your kids on certain website get a child lock thing ffs.

Exactly, if you want to register and view this site you have to be 18+, that is in our rules.
You can't blame us because you as a parent failed to monitor your child properly, and then on F26 they try to make us look like we encourage MINORS to kill themselves. That's wrong on so many levels.
If someone is really ready to suicide, they will do it anyway regardless if they have seen our forum or not. There has to be a big reason why they decided to take their own lives. And if you as a parent don't have better things to do than blame us for things that are not our fault, and for us having freedom of speech, then I can honestly understand why your child has left you. As harsh as it sounds..

I know. I know that this is horrible, but God forbid that they blame themselves. They should have had better control over what their kids were doing on-line. They should have gotten better therapy. They should have listened more. They should have stayed home for dinner every night instead of trying to make more money to buy that better car or house or instead of having that affair. This is just a deflection for them. They feel tremendous guilt and they are choosing to blame us instead of the real systemic problem of bad mental health care and apoathetic parenting. They also blame teachers in our society for all of their kids problems as well. Most people should not have kids. Sorry for my rant. Let me know if I'm too harsh.

Every child deserves a parent but not every parent deserves a child.. I can tell from personal experience and from what I have seen from teenagers online and irl, that some parents don't take mental illnesses very serious. Once they lose their child they are so surprised - how could this possibly happen, everything was so normal and fine :(( I could have never imagined my poor child to do this to themselves! It must have been THAT DAMN PHONE!!

They will never blame themselves for it and understand their mistakes.

 

[Cherry Crumpet]

What a lot of these people don't understand that while this is a space that allows discussion and methods for suicide, it also provides a refuge for people that have suicidal ideation where they can talk about their thoughts without being constantly shut down. It's comforting to be around other people that I know I can relate to on some small level. This forum and suicide in general are a safety net for me. A lot of people here might feel similar.

Thank you mods for all your hard work. We all appreciate you.

 

[Meretlein]

Not quite true. FT26, Jackie and some relatives attacked and harassed Philip Nitschke and his organization Exit International over Twitter, just a few weeks ago. Jackie said it's evil to offer peaceful methods to terminally ill people and the elderly. I think it's an act of mercy to provide them a peaceful and dignified way out in their final moments. Others even went so far and told him to kill himself. If you still believe they're not as malicious as portrayed, take a look at their activities on social media. They act like complete thugs.

Fixthe26 likes to say how they are not against the right to die, just SS having the conversation. Their tweets contradict this. They will only be happy if there is no information on how to peacefully end one's life. At best they believe someone should beg and grovel at a doctor's feet to end their suffering.

Kelli also said in an interview that she believes that reddit shouldn't be able to have platforms like r/suicidewatch. She wants to kill confidential support for suicidal thoughts. Her most recent tweets involve making the internet less anonymous. All of her proposed policies will effect the internet in a profound way. Utilizing those idea to shut down SS is like using a cannon to kill a mosquito. We are seeing a common theme play out here, using the guise of "protecting people" as a trojan horse to erode privacy and liberty.

 

[melancholy_lily]

I discovered this site almost 1 year ago, when the covid lockdown (thanks CA leadership) led me to start seriously considering suicide for the first time. Obviously I am still alive, and I still come here when I feel the need to talk with others without judgment. I was worried today as the old site was down but I found you again. Thank you for keeping this forum around.

 

[Green Destiny]

Christ I haven't been able to reach this site for days. Good thing I found one of the backup links. Just wanted to say thank you for keeping this place going, even at the threat of people trying to tear it down. I hope this place doesn't go away, I don't want it to go away... but I'm unfortunately prepared for that scenario.

 

[angelfeather]

I'm so grateful for this site. Although I am sorry for the those who have lost love ones, parents need to take responsibility of those under 18. I'm an adult and I'm only here because my local mental health services tell me I have capacity and so it's my choice whether I kill myself. I'm in the Uk and even just yesterday tried the SHOUT text service. It didn't benefit me in anyway whatsoever with helping with my thoughts. So time and time again, I choose to come on here for support and to be listened to instead of the places that I thought were supposed to help when we are struggling. Thanks SS.

 

[Isitmytime]

You're right. Even most abusive parents would probably say that they are, in some way or another, good people. It's called cognitive dissonance. Most parents simply don't want to realize that they're bad parents - and I know that first hand from my own parents, they were absolutely horrible. And there are so many signs that these young people that died, which made it into the news, didn't have such a romantic relationship to their parents as their parents claim to have had. For example, Joe said in this forum that he received "no family love", which is one of the reasons why he was ready to leave, according to his own words. This completely contradicts the story of his mother. Jackie knew about the struggles of her daughter for many years, Shawn even said on several occassions, according to the articles I've read that she doesn't want to live - repeatedly. That's a clear expression for suicide ideation but it doesn't seem that these remarks were taken seriously. If they were, I'm sure the parents would have been more careful with Shawns internet activity and what she received via mail. Furthermore, I also found a Youtube account of Jr, Kellys son, with a playlist that contains videos about abusive, narcissistic parents - oddly specific for someone who committed suicide. All of these signs hint to very difficult parent-children relationships behind closed doors. And maybe that's where we should put our focus on, parenting - not on a forum dedicated to struggles of autonomous, consenting adults. And it would make sense - happy people don't kill themselves. These young people were obviously struggling, probably felt alone in their suffering, didn't receive the support they needed and as a result, committed suicide. SS played no role in these development because ALL of them registered in the forum when they were already very confident about their intention to leave. They were sincerely suicidal. The decision was already made before the registered and most of these young people weren't active for a very long time in this forum. Joe and Shawn only wrote a few posts in this forum and immediately left. They didn't waste any time. So, considering all these factors, it's insane that these parents blame us. They were supposed to do the parenting. They were around their children 24/7. They should have picked up on these signs. Yet they blame us, they shift their responsibility which they had as parents, to this community which is outright offensive to me. These people aren't self-aware at all, they're in complete denial about the reality. They sincerely believe they aren't responsible for this outcome, yet somehow we are - more than them? Strangers on the internet, that's wild. So yeah, terrible parents have a very difficult time acknowledging that they're terrible. I'm not saying they were but there are strong hints in these cases that things weren't as perfect as these parents say and it's likely most of these young people I mentioned would have found death without SS, as tragic as it sounds.

You know, my own mother laughed into my face when I told her that I'm depressed. She didn't give a fuck about me, yet she sincerely believes she was probably a good parent. When I went through severe neglect when I was a young child. I didn't receive the appropriate love and care and it fucked me up, longterm. I'm certain my BPD developed as a result of the awful experiences I had as a child. BPD is linked to child abuse or neglect, so my parents are indirectly responsible for this very difficult mental health condition, which is making my life a nightmare. So my own parents are a major reason why I'm suffering so much today and they don't even know. I'm sure the parents that are so vocal about SS belong in a very similar category. And I think they are a very good example as to why anti-natalism should be a more known philosophy. It's all about harmful parents.

Exactly. My parents were both narcissistic. Neglectful, no emotional support, using us kids as tools and turning us against each other, heavy beatings with belts and slippers and a lot more. 3 out of 4 had suicide attempts, the oldest turned out a narc like them. Their reaction to my sister taking a lot of pills? My mother was angry because my sister was an embarasment, my father was as usual absent minded. They are convinced we are ungrateful for them not turning us to an orphanage - after all, they let us stay at home and fed us something, right? Hahaha, my narc sister is convinced that we should be grateful to them, because our souls chose to be planted into a certain uterus so we could experience certain things in life. The same person who openly declared that she uses people and that she will teach her daughter to do the same. In case I ctb, I am sure they will say I am a loser and selfish for not continuing to cater to their needs, while also playing the victim and expecting consolation and care from others.
Just want to thank you all for this community. Whether I ctb or not, this site bought me some time and lessened the suffering a bit.

I am certainly not suggesting you accept or support her position to see the site shut down and I stand by my statement that you dont have the information to judge her parenting.
I fail to see how such a judgement supports this site in any way or furthers a conversation that promotes understanding of the potential benefits of autonomy in this decision.

In fact I believe it is a dangerous deflection from the pro choice conversation because it suggests a disregard for the very understanding and empathy anyone considering suicide as an option seeks via this site.
I would go further and suggest that rather than spitting back defensively it would benefit both sides to welcome a constructive conversation. I understand that this would be difficult as the issue is so emotive and complex and terrifying for many and understandably so.

I just truly believe that the reactive enmity doesnt help the cause and actually merely feeds into ft26 narrative where a more rational response would better support the SS pro choice ethos.

I see your point, but... knowing my parents, they would be very quick to find guilt in any other direction but themselves. That's because they are both narcissistic. The kind that would punish a 5 year old for not cleaning his/her room by kicking him/her out of the house. To the outside world, they projected the image of a happy family, like any narc would do. The way I see it, a normal parent would first look at himself/herself and not find a website to blame. But maybe I am biased - I would certainly would not be here if they ever loved their children, and three of us already attempted in their teens. We had no internet at the time, but if I had it, I might have protected myself better and understood a lot more. It would have helped me a lot to have a way to vent. I can tell you one thing for sure: a teen always gives signs of distress, they mostly cry for some attention, but if they don't get it, they feel so rejected they can indeed choose to ctb. It's their parents job to notice. Mine chose to punish and feel embarrassed by my sister's attempt, for instance. They publicly shamed her for it, also. I am much older now and I fought for decades to keep myself together. But sooner or later, all the trauma and the subsequent abuse you get exposed to because of them gets to you, especially when your life turns upside down. Now I know better and I could choose to fight some more, but I ran out of reasons to torture myself for much longer. Especially knowing that my siblings are not much better off in terms of mental health, but we can't support each other because it's just too triggering. We can't even have a relationship because our parents always turned us against each other, to maintain control. I am not saying all parents are like that, but if they don't see that cry for help, if they can't validate their kids feelings, there is something fishy there.

 

[Isitmytime]

I agree with this, and can sadly relate. My parents were responsible for my BPD and depression and suicidal thoughts. My mom was more overtly abusive, my father was covert. Even though me and my father are generally closer today, there is a lack of responsibility on his end.

However, if I CTB'd I think on some level he would feel bad. My mom would not. She would have spun it around to make herself the victim and have the attention on her.

Our parents could form a club, where they can bitch about how awful their children are. While we should have a contest telling stories like "Oh, wait!!... Let me tell you what my mom did!" Sorry to laugh about this but sometimes it feels so surreal that I dissociate and start laughing like a lunatic.

 

[that_guy2611]

Shoutout to the admins for keeping this place afloat

 

[Isitmytime]

The amount of hatred and ugliness being thrown around towards grieving parents has made this saga that much more damaging to the site and community.

Just as a note - I don't buy this "grieving parents" image for a second. I've seen a video of a true grieving parent, a father whose son commited suicide, who took it upon himself to tour the country and educate other parents about proper communication with their kids. He took responsibility and admited he was not there when he should have been, he unknowingly put a lot of pressure on his son to "be a strong man", and never occured to him that it wasn't the right thing to do. He never once mentioned others' fault and made a promise to himself to be a better parent and husband. Now that is a parent I truly admire and feel very sorry for his loss. My parents would play victim and blame anybody else they could find, but never admit to how much they f*** up their children's mental health.

People often misconstrue their statements (they're not against people having a place to talk about suicide, they're against having suicide methods openly available to all) and come up with weak arguments ("we have a recovery section!" That is literally a fraction of the size of the suicide discussion board) ("some people choose life after being on the site!" Which completely disregards that this site has helped people end their lives) to bouy their personal insults.

Yeah, I'd love to be able to jump to the recovery section, but until I am sure I can recover I can hardly visit it. And in such case, I would probably be a lot less active there, being hopefully busy building back my life. And yes, this site may have helped me find information on methods, but it certainly made me reconsider if I truly want to do it. And if I do, I will know how to make it easier on myself. I am a middle aged person fully aware of their mental state, tried therapy (which helped only to clarify the source of the issue), and I have the right to choose whether I want to walk around like a zombie due to the meds or whether I am willing to accept to live under a certain standard. If they consider life to be worth living under any circumstances, it's their choice and I am happy for them. But I can understand people who refuse to accept that, especially because statistics say the lower your IQ, the lesser the chance to be depressed. Check if you don't believe me.

 

[ron_g]

Am I supposed to assure emotional and self-centered pro-lifers on here that this site keeps me alive? Pro-lifers who, frankly, only care about their own emotional needs? I will say this. The site defends a human right and helps protect people from abuse by pro-lifers and the consequences of botched suicide attempts.

Oh, and the site hasn't changed in the slightest my will to live or die.

 

[Skathon]

Oh, the site has a new domain... I thought it was unavailable for several days (I always type the link manually).
It is also extremely unfortunate that most of the subforums are no longer public. I will have to give access to my account to someone before my departure, then...

 

[mahakaliSS_MahaDurga]

The number 1 cause of death is birth. She gave birth to that child. I have no clue what her parenting skills or commitment were. But without her giving birth, her child would not be dead. That's a fact, not a judgement

You crack me up.

 

[color_me_gone]

Effects of Family Structure on Mental Health of Children: A Preliminary Study

To find any association between family structure and rates of hospitalization as an indicator for behavior problems in children.Retrospective chart review of 154 patients who were admitted to the preadolescent unit at Lincoln Prairie Behavioral Health ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Effects of Family Structure on Mental Health of Children: A Preliminary Study​

July 2017
copy and paste:

We found that only 11% of children came from intact families living with biological parents while 89% had some kind of disruption in their family structure. Two-third of the children in the study population had been exposed to trauma with physical abuse seen in 36% of cases. Seventy-one percent had reported either a parent or a sibling with a psychiatric disorder.

I'll let you draw your own conclusions.

 

[Ironweed]

I'd like to thank whoever is behind twitter handle throwmeaway66 for being willing to argue rationally with the #FixThe26 people on Twitter. (She locked her account after what I'm guessing was harassment from them.) If I started down that road I'd lose my shit in about two seconds and get banned, lol. And I'm kinda fond of my (naturally anonymous) account. Had it since 2014.

One of the 26ers followed me for simply liking throwmeaway66 posts. Which kinda creeped me out, TBH.

 

[RainAndSadness]

Fixthe26 likes to say how they are not against the right to die, just SS having the conversation. Their tweets contradict this. They will only be happy if there is no information on how to peacefully end one's life. At best they believe someone should beg and grovel at a doctor's feet to end their suffering.

Kelli also said in an interview that she believes that reddit shouldn't be able to have platforms like r/suicidewatch. She wants to kill confidential support for suicidal thoughts. Her most recent tweets involve making the internet less anonymous. All of her proposed policies will effect the internet in a profound way. Utilizing those idea to shut down SS is like using a cannon to kill a mosquito. We are seeing a common theme play out here, using the guise of "protecting people" as a trojan horse to erode privacy and liberty.

She is an idiot. The majority of countries in this world are authoritarian and take a huge shit on human rights. What's gonna happen once we dissolve anonymity and privacy in the internet, as she demands, so law enforcement officers can do their job properly? Regimes all around the world are gonna rub their hands together and destroy any kind of opposition, which is mostly organized in the shadows of the internet. Anonymity is a good thing, especially if you live in ultra-authoritarian states like Saudi Arabia or China. Kellis is literally insane to propose such crazy ideas. She doesn't even understand the implications of her demands.

 

[Miss_Takes]

Exactly. My parents were both narcissistic. Neglectful, no emotional support, using us kids as tools and turning us against each other, heavy beatings with belts and slippers and a lot more. 3 out of 4 had suicide attempts, the oldest turned out a narc like them. Their reaction to my sister taking a lot of pills? My mother was angry because my sister was an embarasment, my father was as usual absent minded. They are convinced we are ungrateful for them not turning us to an orphanage - after all, they let us stay at home and fed us something, right? Hahaha, my narc sister is convinced that we should be grateful to them, because our souls chose to be planted into a certain uterus so we could experience certain things in life. The same person who openly declared that she uses people and that she will teach her daughter to do the same. In case I ctb, I am sure they will say I am a loser and selfish for not continuing to cater to their needs, while also playing the victim and expecting consolation and care from others.
Just want to thank you all for this community. Whether I ctb or not, this site bought me some time and lessened the suffering a bit.

I see your point, but... knowing my parents, they would be very quick to find guilt in any other direction but themselves. That's because they are both narcissistic. The kind that would punish a 5 year old for not cleaning his/her room by kicking him/her out of the house. To the outside world, they projected the image of a happy family, like any narc would do. The way I see it, a normal parent would first look at himself/herself and not find a website to blame. But maybe I am biased - I would certainly would not be here if they ever loved their children, and three of us already attempted in their teens. We had no internet at the time, but if I had it, I might have protected myself better and understood a lot more. It would have helped me a lot to have a way to vent. I can tell you one thing for sure: a teen always gives signs of distress, they mostly cry for some attention, but if they don't get it, they feel so rejected they can indeed choose to ctb. It's their parents job to notice. Mine chose to punish and feel embarrassed by my sister's attempt, for instance. They publicly shamed her for it, also. I am much older now and I fought for decades to keep myself together. But sooner or later, all the trauma and the subsequent abuse you get exposed to because of them gets to you, especially when your life turns upside down. Now I know better and I could choose to fight some more, but I ran out of reasons to torture myself for much longer. Especially knowing that my siblings are not much better off in terms of mental health, but we can't support each other because it's just too triggering. We can't even have a relationship because our parents always turned us against each other, to maintain control. I am not saying all parents are like that, but if they don't see that cry for help, if they can't validate their kids feelings, there is something fishy there.

I understand the mechanics of family dysfunction. I also have an insight into cruelty and abuse and their impact.
I am also a parent and, if Im brutally honest, I should never have gone down that path .... not because she isnt a wonderful adult but because I was not a good enough parent.
If my child suicided I imagine it would be the end of my world and I imagine the pain of that overwhelming grief might see me blame everyone else while looking for the answers that can turn back time and prevent what can no longer be prevented. Grief is not rational or linear and it often seeks blame where there is none to be found. But to make 'assumptions' about someones parenting when the discussion is much more complex simply to 'hurt back' is beyond unkind. And isnt it essentially 'unkindness' (yes, thats deliberately simplistic) that brought most of us here?

This site is not here to judge peoples grief, parenting or life experience is it? Or perhaps I have missed something. Because it feels to me at the moment that this 'defensiveness' is really just a vent based on our own experiences NOT in a 100% known reality for the humans being discussed and rallied against.
At the end of the day it is not individuals who need to be rallied against but a system that denies a rational conversation about this issue. Tit for tat nastiness and rationalisations on either side do not forward the pro choice debate and in my opinion this tactic from both sides merely pushes the 'problem' of suicide underground. While I expect this from the ft26 perspective (out of sight out of mind) I find it confusing that while we have this forum it is being used less to highlight the positives of SS (support, camaraderie, freedom, recovery) and instead (and I am speaking specifically to the tit for tat crap) has become a mere transference of personal experience.

I came here actively suicidal and looking for a place to be able to express that to people who have the same experience without judgement and thats what I found ... a forum full of kindness and acceptance, mostly, for who I am and where I find myself at this point of my life and I am very grateful and like many others, less afflicted with constant suicidal ideation than when I arrived ... it is the beauty of this freedom.
I understand that the events initiated by ft26 have highlighted fear and anxiety among many that this safe haven will disappear. I understand that but I dont understand how nasty and unproven judgements from this end promote this site or do anything except fuel ft26 and their animosity.

This community is rightly anxious about the situation please know that I am not denying that but in my opinion the effort should be directed towards showing the benefits of the site and working out how to improve member safety rather than engaging is nastiness and unkindness.

I do wish everyone who has posted in this thread or is reading from afar as good a day as they can find in themself today.

 

[Tintypographer]

A press release regarding recent events: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/press/PR_SanctionedSuicide.pdf

It's been a very rough morning, to say the least.

First of all, I want to offer my condolences to Sharon Luft, who lost her son 2 weeks ago.

Secondly, for those that are looking to go on a crusade to try to take this website down due to false and exaggerated claims, this site is a support community for thousands of people. I have spoken to countless people that are way better off that thank this site for helping them to recover. The claims about people live-streaming their suicides is a false one. We have NEVER allowed that here, and I'm not even sure if that has ever been done before.

People that are under 18 have not been allowed to register for years now. We have always been against minors being on the website and we maintain that stance today.

The social mob trying to report threads will not read this, but at least the ones that do will understand our position.

In other news, our backup domain is at https://sanctioned-suicide.net just in case this one gets taken down.

Sincerely,
Marquis

Do we need to consider letting the pro lifers post in a sub forum and treat their comments the same way we treat out own. Respond with facts, use what is called "grey language" where you only answer questions with facts and refuse to be drawn into rhetoric or logical fallacies and address each statement. This may not be possible in an online forum. I have dealt with people who have personality disorders before and they tend to lose power when treated in this manner. Some of what is posted on the "fix the 26" is pure rhetoric. It focuses on "encouraging children to commit suicide" statements which is not true in any part of this forum, claims that "the side is run and populated by pedophiles and incels" also not true unless there is some evidence, and that the forum.is

Is the site members-only now?

The fix the 26 will not ever have a logical discussion or even be reasonable. Their only goal is to shut down the site. They use logical fallacies and often resort to the null hypothesis meaning: how can you prove that this won't be viewed by an underaged person who just needed help but was then encouraged to commit suicide. The truth is that they only care about that set of arguments. They do not care about the pain of depression, suicidal ideation, severe anxiety and failed mental health therapies. Notice that not a single one of these concerns is ever even addressed in their arguments. Their mechanism for the mob mentality is to accuse the moderators and admins of being criminals and child predators because that statement elicits a revulsion. In reality Kelli is likely a sociopath bent entirely ontrying to keep people in severe pain and mental anguish. She has no care for mental health and peace so long as people tolerate pain and suffering. I bet that within her foundation are all sorts of people who enjoy watchung suffering to no end even targeting hospice care and pain meds being delivered.

See that's a reverse argument without any basis that I just used to create a logical fallacy about fix the 26. A reverse null hypothesis would be "how can you prove that this site has not helped anyone, are you saying this site helps no one at all?".

We can turn this around but it would be far better for all involved to actually have a discussion. We keep staring why we depend on this site. We have severe emotional untreatable pain and depression. It is overwhelming or we would not have suicidal ideation. Mental health does not work with conventional therapy for a finite percentage of people and there is very little associated tolerance for this disease or demand for help. If there was many loved ones would not be considering suicide.

 

[orbroots]

Take care of the people who want to stay. Take care of the people who want to go.
If it's easier said than done, then let's at least have space for the conversation.

 

[Isitmytime]

This community is rightly anxious about the situation please know that I am not denying that but in my opinion the effort should be directed towards showing the benefits of the site and working out how to improve member safety rather than engaging is nastiness and unkindness.

I do wish everyone who has posted in this thread or is reading from afar as good a day as they can find in themself today.

I am sorry I gave the impression I was so passionate about those sites, FB groups or whatever. I don't even have FB and I don't believe they can do much but bark. I am just sick of this rhetoric about grieving parents and I responded specifically to that...and to the incorrect idea that the recovery section is smaller, therefore SS is not encouraging recovery. Completely false - recovered people will obviously be less active or leave SS, while the real path to recovery is in the ctb discussions. Their grief better be rational, otherwise more kids will be subjected to shitty parenting, because people don't like to acknowledge it openly. And by the way, overprotective parents can also do a lot of harm - I actually read a lot about it.
I see you want things to get better but there is no way to do that if people's ears/eyes stay virgin. I am sure many of the people in those groups didn't even lose a kid to ctb. But it makes them feel a pillar of society to be part of that hysteria. The irony is that I've seen more rational thinking here than on FB, and we are supposed to be the screwed up ones... ))))
So I get where you're coming from and I am sorry if I dissapoint you. Maybe a one-on-one with some of them could get you somewhere, but a herd like that... sorry to dissapoint you, I'm afraid it's useless to try.
PS. It's supposed to be an adult site, it's their job to keep their kids away from all kinds of adult stuff. We can't forbid all adult content or products, just because some kids can get to them. The rest of us are responsible for our own decisions. Life sucks, I know.
PPS. Sorry, I have to say none of this is to hurt back. It's the honest way I see a reality and I believe no one can improve until they face reality.

 

[Miss_Takes]

I am sorry I gave the impression I was so passionate about those sites, FB groups or whatever. I don't even have FB and I don't believe they can do much but bark. I am just sick of this rhetoric about grieving parents and I responded specifically to that...and to the incorrect idea that the recovery section is smaller, therefore SS is not encouraging recovery. Completely false - recovered people will obviously be less active or leave SS, while the real path to recovery is in the ctb discussions. Their grief better be rational, otherwise more kids will be subjected to shitty parenting, because people don't like to acknowledge it openly. And by the way, overprotective parents can also do a lot of harm - I actually read a lot about it.
I see you want things to get better but there is no way to do that if people's ears/eyes stay virgin. I am sure many of the people in those groups didn't even lose a kid to ctb. But it makes them feel a pillar of society to be part of that hysteria. The irony is that I've seen more rational thinking here than on FB, and we are supposed to be the screwed up ones... ))))
So I get where you're coming from and I am sorry if I dissapoint you. Maybe a one-on-one with some of them could get you somewhere, but a herd like that... sorry to dissapoint you, I'm afraid it's useless to try.

My replies are always towards the content of a post and not the author personally so I unreservedly apologise for any impact on you personally.

I like 'passion' and I think it is important and necessary and I have often said to friends recently that it is my passion for this debate of 'pro choice' that has kept me going over the last months when I have struggled to find passion for anything else.

TBH I have been accused once or twice of banging my head against the proverbial brick wall even outside of this debate .... I thank whichever deity for the benefit of a good thick skull in this regard lol

Have a great day ... or morning or evening or next 5 mins ...

 

[MrAsclepius]

Sorry if this has already been answered, I don't have the willpower to read through all this thread..

Has anyone confirmed that this person actually has a son who passed and was on this website? I'm not saying anyone is a liar, just wondering if all this is due to an actual loss and not just another accusatory troll on the bus.

 

[Moonomyth]

If you are not already, you should be aware that your posts are being monitored and reposted by Fixthe26's various social media in order to take them out of the thread's context. Be prepared to be used as evidence and respond accordingly.

 

[Isitmytime]

My ies are always towards the content of a post and not the author personally so I unreservedly apologise for any impact on you personally.


TBhave been accused once or twice of banging my head against the proverbial brick wall even outside of this debate .... I thank whichever deity for the benefit of a good thick skull in this regard lol

No worries, I don't take anything personally. Self-taught psychology sh** lol. I get you, I do the same many times, but I think it's better to choose your battles and some people are not worth trying. I am passionate about animal rights for instance so I've had my share of dissapointments.
Anyhow, wishing you the best.
Keep going and be safe!

 

[MrAsclepius]

If you are not already, you should be aware that your posts are being monitored and reposted by Fixthe26's various social media in order to take them out of the thread's context. Be prepared to be used as evidence and respond accordingly.

Could not care less.

 

[Miss_Takes]

No worries, I don't take anything personally. Self-taught psychology sh** lol. I get you, I do the same many times, but I think it's better to choose your battles and some people are not worth trying. I am passionate about animal rights for instance so I've had my share of dissapointments.
Anyhow, wishing you the best.
Keep going and be safe!

You stay safe as well my friend.

 

[Avyn]

Sorry if this has already been answered, I don't have the willpower to read through all this thread..

Has anyone confirmed that this person actually has a son who passed and was on this website? I'm not saying anyone is a liar, just wondering if all this is due to an actual loss and not just another accusatory troll on the bus.

Yeah apparently theres multiple parents that lost their child to suicide. They said they found out their child has been on this site before killing themselves and are blaming us for encouraging and telling their child to cbt, also blaming us for having threads about how to hang yourself/drown properly etc.

Even though this site is 18+ they are angry at us for their child viewing their website which is not our problem.
They don't want to acknowledge their mistakes as a parent and need to blame somebody for what had happened. I am indeed feeling bad for them and feeling bad that their children needed to die this way, I hope they rest in peace. But I will never support their parents narcissistic and sociopathic behavior.

 

[alwayssearching]

A press release regarding recent events: https://sanctioned-suicide.net/press/PR_SanctionedSuicide.pdf

It's been a very rough morning, to say the least.

First of all, I want to offer my condolences to Sharon Luft, who lost her son 2 weeks ago.

Secondly, for those that are looking to go on a crusade to try to take this website down due to false and exaggerated claims, this site is a support community for thousands of people. I have spoken to countless people that are way better off that thank this site for helping them to recover. The claims about people live-streaming their suicides is a false one. We have NEVER allowed that here, and I'm not even sure if that has ever been done before.

People that are under 18 have not been allowed to register for years now. We have always been against minors being on the website and we maintain that stance today.

The social mob trying to report threads will not read this, but at least the ones that do will understand our position.

In other news, our backup domain is at https://sanctioned-suicide.net just in case this one gets taken down.

Sincerely,
Marquis

I am incredibly grateful for this site; I met so many nice, sweet and genuine people on here and felt safe expressing my thoughts. I am actually still here BECAUSE I posted my idea of how I planned to CTB and I got so much loving, supportive feedback, that was also letting me know that what I had in mind wouldn't work. It made me sit back and think, "well, damn...okay. Guess I'll have to figure out how to continue living for now, cuz I'm out of ideas."
I just randomly found out about the website shutdown and read about why it happened, so I logged back in here because I remembered what a friendly, open minded community this is. And also, because I feel really angry when anybody tries to tell me how to live my life that's acceptable to their standards, or what they think I should or shouldn't do with my body. My life, my choice.
But mainly, I just wanted to voice my support and gratitude for the community you have built here