Story A time where an international student (prolifer of course) objected to a movie

[TAW122]

This was several years ago when I was living in another city and attended grad school/uni. So I was living in another person's house, renting from them along with two other roommates (there was 4 bedrooms in all), and the home owner herself (landlady). This other roommate, the international student, she is a prolifer and is religious.

One night, everyone was watching a movie along with her friends and the other roommates too, and this movie was about someone who went on a voyage to compete in a race. See here for the summary of what the movie is about. Anyways, so during the movie, this international student, whom I'll refer to her as 'H', cried and lamented at the fact that the main character of the movie went on this mission and to his eventual death. H is so antideath and prolife that she just doesn't comprehend (or would rather not face reality for what it is).

I know that @FuneralCry and I would see it differently with respect to the movie. Furthermore, I would see to it that life is so cruel that if the main character of the movie had a way out and had there been no taboo and legalized, voluntary euthanasia with the right to die enshrined as a inalienable human right, then the main character may have behaved or chosen differently.

Anyways, I shared this story because I wanted to illustrate that even though the movie wasn't about CTB itself (or at least directly), but about someone who had amibition for greatness and or covering up (as a facade) for his problems, even people (generally prolifers, especially the religious ones) still took issue to the main character dying and viewing it as indirect CTB (which no surprise, they still find problematic...).

 

[Rainy_days]

Checkmate, pro-lifer.

 

[FuneralCry]

I will never be able to understand those people who see non existence as being worse than suffering and torture. Death is the most normal thing ever as well, to me it could never be something tragic as it's all that we are destined for anyway. The tragic thing is instead having to continue existing with no easily accessible way to leave this world.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I always meant to get around to seeing this but didn't... Review looks kind of scathing though.

Hmmm. Just from what I read- he had a wife and children that he left to participate in a personal ambition that would almost definitely result in his death. EVERYONE could see it was bound to fail by the looks of it.

I do believe in autonomy and freedom of choice. I do sympathise deeply with parents who are suicidal. He just seemed to want to achieve this though- despite pretty much impossible odds. I've no problem with a single guy doing something stupid and reckless- to an extent (still- they can easily endanger the lives of others who try to rescue them.) I'd just kind of hope someone with a family would feel a bit more responsibility.

Still, I suppose Donald Campbell (who broke land and water speed records) also had a family and also died pursuing a dream. We're probably kinder to him because he succeeded!

Are you sure it was the likelihood that he was going to his death your flatmate had the problem with? (Although it sounds like they would with that as well.) Or, was it more that he abandoned his family to do it?

Although I'm pro-choice- that does actually bother me quite a bit. I do feel it's more responsible to not do stuff like this if you have a family- and if you can't repress the selfish adventurer/career person in you- don't have a family to begin with that you'll later abandon to fulfill your own needs.

 

[TAW122]

I always meant to get around to seeing this but didn't... Review looks kind of scathing though.

Hmmm. Just from what I read- he had a wife and children that he left to participate in a personal ambition that would almost definitely result in his death. EVERYONE could see it was bound to fail by the looks of it.

I do believe in autonomy and freedom of choice. I do sympathise deeply with parents who are suicidal. He just seemed to want to achieve this though- despite pretty much impossible odds. I've no problem with a single guy doing something stupid and reckless- to an extent (still- they can easily endanger the lives of others who try to rescue them.) I'd just kind of hope someone with a family would feel a bit more responsibility.

Still, I suppose Donald Campbell (who broke land and water speed records) also had a family and also died pursuing a dream. We're probably kinder to him because he succeeded!

Are you sure it was the likelihood that he was going to his death your flatmate had the problem with? (Although it sounds like they would with that as well.) Or, was it more that he abandoned his family to do it?

Although I'm pro-choice- that does actually bother me quite a bit. I do feel it's more responsible to not do stuff like this if you have a family- and if you can't repress the selfish adventurer/career person in you- don't have a family to begin with that you'll later abandon to fulfill your own needs.

To answer your question, it may have been both? I am not sure and don't remember what exactly my flatmate (at the time) had issue with, perhaps a bit more of the family and of course, death.

I do see your point about responsibility and I agree that if one has a family that depends on them, then they need to have more discretion in at least seeing them financially successful or at least doing what they need to ensure their children (dependent) are set for success.

 

[Forever Sleep]

To answer your question, it may have been both? I am not sure and don't remember what exactly my flatmate (at the time) had issue with, perhaps a bit more of the family and of course, death.

I do see your point about responsibility and I agree that if one has a family that depends on them, then they need to have more discretion in at least seeing them financially successful or at least doing what they need to ensure their children (dependent) are set for success.

It's not so much in terms of suicide to be honest. I do feel incredibly sorry for parents in this situation. I'd hope they do deeply consider their families and what they could possibly do to either avoid CTB or- make it easier on them if they go ahead.

This guy wasn't suicidal though. He had an intense passion for something. (I understand that- I do too.) Still- I think people like that (us) need to make choices. I don't think it's fair to give all your life to your work or your passion and expect to have a family on the side. Whether you eventually commit to something deadly or not. Still- I probably have quite a narrow ideas on things. It obviously works for some couples... I just know I'd be pissed if I had a husband who fucked off on some sailing trip around the world and left me with the children.

 

[Venus13]

How old was she? At the end of the day most of us had this wisdom whipped into us. I don't expect everyone under a certain age to have a great grip on the topic of life, death and what it means to truly suffer and need out. When people get older it becomes more expected because c'mon, look around after awhile and wake up.

I used to cry about abortions when I was young. Life definitely kicked my ass and taught me the necessary lessons to see straight.

 

[TAW122]

It's not so much in terms of suicide to be honest. I do feel incredibly sorry for parents in this situation. I'd hope they do deeply consider their families and what they could possibly do to either avoid CTB or- make it easier on them if they go ahead.

This guy wasn't suicidal though. He had an intense passion for something. (I understand that- I do too.) Still- I think people like that (us) need to make choices. I don't think it's fair to give all your life to your work or your passion and expect to have a family on the side. Whether you eventually commit to something deadly or not. Still- I probably have quite a narrow ideas on things. It obviously works for some couples... I just know I'd be pissed if I had a husband who fucked off on some sailing trip around the world and left me with the children.

I can relate to this on a conceptual level (as I never been in a relationship nor had dependents/children of my own).

How old was she? At the end of the day most of us had this wisdom whipped into us. I don't expect everyone under a certain age to have a great grip on the topic of life, death and what it means to truly suffer and need out. When people get older it becomes more expected because c'mon, look around after awhile and wake up.

I used to cry about abortions when I was young. Life definitely kicked my ass and taught me the necessary lessons to see straight.

She was about half a decade or so older than I am. With regards to people seeing the 'truth' when they get older, yes that is more likely as they deal with more of life's challenges (including the potential loss of other loved ones) as well as the decline of their own health as they age. Even then, when some people do wake up, they don't find the same conclusions, or worse yet, they double down on their views..

Regarding abortions, I don't think I ever saw it as a problem and wasn't offended by a woman's choice to decide (unlike my religious friends who would be triggered and oftenly become very defensive). In fact, I was and still am pro-choice.