Afterlife proof?

[KCN]

We'll it would have been impossible to see in this case, unless you were above it.

The subconscious just notices many things we aren't aware of while we're awake. It occurred to me a couple of months ago while I was searching for my car keys. I spent 1 hour roaming through the house, found nothing. The very same night I went to sleep and I saw the keys where they actually were, in a room where I've previously searched every corner

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

The subconscious just notices many things we aren't aware of while we're awake. It occurred to me a couple of months ago while I was searching for my car keys. I spent 1 hour roaming through the house, found nothing. The very same night I went to sleep and I saw the keys where they actually were, in a room where I've previously searched every corner

Not everything is explainable, I've had the car key thing happen also, given up looking, then find them right in the middle of the hallway, like there is no way it could have been there after going through that hallway 20 different times looking for them.

 

[KCN]

Not everything is explainable

Until somebody finds an explanation. And there are plenty for this kind of phenomena

It must necessarily be related to peripheral vision, since all people who talk about NDEs as if they were 'supernatural' phenomena (which they aren't) usually speak about seeing things located not many meters above where they actually were laid on the bed by medical personnel. Why nobody who has had a "NDE" has seen what was on the rooftop of the highest skyscraper of their city or something truly inaccessible to somebody's perception?

It's a rhetorical question, however

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

We'll there have been people who have heard conversations from others who are in a different area of the hospital, while clinically dead.

Until somebody finds an explanation. And there are plenty for this kind of phenomena

It must necessarily be related to peripheral vision, since all people who talk about NDEs as if they were 'supernatural' phenomena (which they aren't) usually speak about seeing things located not many meters above where they actually were laid on the bed by medical personnel. Why nobody who has had a "NDE" has seen what was on the rooftop of the highest skyscraper of their city or something truly inaccessible to somebody's perception?

It's a rhetorical question, however

Me ,my sisters and my parents and all the other kids in the neighborhood would see an old lady pulling a handcart which died six months prior. There is no way to explain such things.

 

[Fylobatica]

there have been people who have heard conversations from others who are in a different area of the hospital, while clinically dead.

Provide evidence

Me ,my sisters and my parents and all the other kids in the neighborhood would see an old lady pulling a handcart which died six months prior. There is no way to explain such things.

So you brought the old lady to the obituary and reconciled her with her lookalike?
Please. Come on

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

Provide evidence
Google it


So you brought the old lady to the obituary and reconciled her with her lookalike?
Please. Come on

I wouldn't believe it myself if it hadn't actually happened.

 

[Fylobatica]

I wouldn't believe it myself if it hadn't actually happened.

How are you so sure? Did you DNA test her or something?

 

[Justanotherconsumer]

How are you so sure? Did you DNA test her or something?

Didn't need to all sorts of impossibility's occured with her, you would be out for a drive and she would be on the side of the highway pulling her cart, a few miles later there she would be again. The last time I saw her I was hundreds of miles away, and she came up to me and asked, holding up two bouquet of flowers "which ones would you put on your mother's and father's grave?" That was too much for me.

 

[Fylobatica]

Didn't need to all sorts of impossibility's occured with her, you would be out for a drive and she would be on the side of the highway pulling her cart, a few miles later there she would be again. The last time I saw her I was hundreds of miles away, and she came up to me and asked, holding up two bouquet of flowers "which ones would you put on your mother's and father's grave?" That was too much for me.

Looks like the creepypasta I've read about a month ago.

 

[Oblivion]

The afterlife is like the adult version of santa clause, why can't we humans accept that death is the end and there's nothing afterwards? why must we be so childish and believe in fairytales like heaven or reincarnation? just grow up and accept the bitter truth.

 

[Xmac000]

The afterlife is like the adult version of santa clause, why can't we humans accept that death is the end and there's nothing afterwards? why must we be so childish and believe in fairytales like heaven or reincarnation? just grow up and accept the bitter truth.

Well i hope your wrong. There are some people that are born with neurological diseases that render them completely brain dead or barely conscious. It sucks that they never get a chance at life and would just cease into nothing after that.

That aside there is no proof that we dont have souls or something else binded to our bodies that we simply cannot locate. I'm a atheist but i have a gut feeling that something else besides a meat computer embodided in fluid (the brain) is at work here.

I dont believe theres a omnipotent and omnipresent god because i simply dont believe something can be that powerful and the probability of that is extremely low. Its the same probability of santa clause claus existing and well you get the point. I do however believe that we may have an inner spirit. Something else besides our conciousness driving us.

 

[Smilla]

What did Christopher Hitchens say?

That without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

And who would believe in a God who allows suffering and torture?

Supernatural experiences are human experiences which can be readily explained away—coincidence, brain in overdrive.

There is no God, no afterlife, nothing.

 

[KCN]

This thread is a slaughterhouse of madness, confirmation bias and sloppy thinking. "Oh they're sending my thoughts from Aldebaran with a cluster of 324,343 antennas!" - "Oh energy gets recycled! So in my next life I'll be a hard drive or an ant, it depends on what my choice will be!" - "Oh I've seen an old lady on the streets and it made me feel suspicious!" - "yes, I've died 245,000 times while my brain was deprived of oxygen!"

What about learning a bit of physics, neuroscience and reasoning, before taking huge leaps of faith like the ones that many described here...

 

[ge0rge]

this thread sure is full of scientism lmao

 

[KCN]

Science is the art of understanding, so I'd say it would be better if it was...

 

[ge0rge]

Science is the art of understanding, so I'd say it would be better if it was...

come off your high horse and let people have their beliefs :/

 

[KCN]

come off your high horse and let people have their beliefs :/

It's not about feeling "superior", quite the opposite.

I'd much prefer objective explanations over unproven hypothesis and the same big ol' bag of wishful thinking that deceives people

 

[Lisa]

Just because a book does not agree with the mainstream view of science doesn't mean it is unscientific.
Many great scientists were ahead of their time and were laughed at by their peers. It's exactly the same with NDEs.
I'm not here to dissect every argument. To me, the afterlife is 100% real and no matter of discussion is going to sway my mind. I have been reading about the topic for around 8 years now and to me, the matter is settled, however probably an agnostic standpoint is the wisest.

Agreed

 

[Lisa]

Until somebody finds an explanation. And there are plenty for this kind of phenomena

It must necessarily be related to peripheral vision, since all people who talk about NDEs as if they were 'supernatural' phenomena (which they aren't) usually speak about seeing things located not many meters above where they actually were laid on the bed by medical personnel. Why nobody who has had a "NDE" has seen what was on the rooftop of the highest skyscraper of their city or something truly inaccessible to somebody's perception?

It's a rhetorical question, however

There have been NDE's reported by people who saw the rooftop of the hospital and in one case recalled something up there like a shoe, described it accurately, and it was found to be up there.

 

[ge0rge]

It's not about feeling "superior", quite the opposite.

I'd much prefer objective explanations over unproven hypothesis and the same big ol' bag of wishful thinking that deceives people

You are not owed any explanations, objective or otherwise, for any hypotheses, and whether someone else resorts to wishful thinking is none of your business. Your scientic proselytism helps no-one, and may in fact hinder people who hope for a more humane existence beyond this one.

cease and desist

 

[Lisa]

You are not owed any explanations, objective or otherwise, for any hypotheses, and whether someone else resorts to wishful thinking is none of your business. Your scientic proselytism helps no-one, and may in fact hinder people who hope for a more humane existence beyond this one.

cease and desist

I second this motion

 

[KCN]

Your scientic proselytism helps no-one, and may in fact hinder people who hope for a more humane existence beyond this one.

sorry if I try to put out legitimate doubts. It's useful to help people to understand that wishful thinking is not actual facts that they seem to believe 100% without any proof whatsoever, especially where all the clues gathered point to another road.

What a mistake! Nevermind, things can be explained but I can't obviously understand them for others.
I don't see any dignity in convincing themselves and others of things that aren't sure.

 

[KCN]

There have been NDE's reported by people who saw the rooftop of the hospital and in one case recalled something up there like a shoe, described it accurately, and it was found to be up there.

Is there proof of people that have found bacteria on Mars as well from their bed?

 

[Oblivion]

Well i hope your wrong. There are some people that are born with neurological diseases that render them completely brain dead or barely conscious. It sucks that they never get a chance at life and would just cease into nothing after that.

That aside there is no proof that we dont have souls or something else binded to our bodies that we simply cannot locate. I'm a atheist but i have a gut feeling that something else besides a meat computer embodided in fluid (the brain) is at work here.

I dont believe theres a omnipotent and omnipresent god because i simply dont believe something can be that powerful and the probability of that is extremely low. Its the same probability of santa clause claus existing and well you get the point. I do however believe that we may have an inner spirit. Something else besides our conciousness driving us.

Just because its unfair and cruel doesn't mean that there should be an after life.
proof that we don't have souls? there's no proof either that unicorns don't exist lol.

 

[ge0rge]

sorry if I try to put out legitimate doubts. It's useful to help people to understand that wishful thinking is not actual facts that they seem to believe 100% without any proof whatsoever, especially where all the clues gathered point to another road.

What a mistake! Nevermind, things can be explained but I can't obviously understand them for others.
I don't see any dignity in convincing themselves and others of things that aren't sure.

Need I point this out further? It's not your place to instill doubts, or to help people dispel anything. All the "clues" you've gathered to another road are just as interpretable as any other work of fiction. It's irrelevant whether you see dignity or not. This is not about you. It's about everyone's freedom to believe what they will, and to freely declare those beliefs, and to not be attacked or called out for having them.

There is nothing as puzzling and as needlessly arrogant as modern day militant scientism.

 

[KCN]

It's not your place to instill doubts,

Thank you sir for letting me know that freedom of speech is not allowed. Yet you talk about "arrogance"...

All the "clues" you've gathered to another road are just as interpretable as any other work of fiction

Actually they're scientific papers that provide substantial proof and are not based on fictional speculation and personal wishes.

Somebody out there is trying to make sense of things and I was just showing that there are explanations to certain phenomena.

It's about everyone's freedom to believe what they will,

There's no doubt that they will keep believing in what they want, there's nothing worse than people who want keep believing despite contrary evidence. I was just providing a discussion, a more rational one I guess?

There is nothing as puzzling and as needlessly arrogant as modern day militant scientism

There's no scientism, rather the will to interpret facts in the most accurate and objective way possible. Because giving people false hopes and stimulating blind faith is not that moral as some might think.

However, as I previously stated-- everybody will keep believing despite proof, so that settles the matter for me.

Bye

 

[6477244ts5]

sorry if I try to put out legitimate doubts. It's useful to help people to understand that wishful thinking is not actual facts that they seem to believe 100% without any proof whatsoever, especially where all the clues gathered point to another road.

What a mistake! Nevermind, things can be explained but I can't obviously understand them for others.
I don't see any dignity in convincing themselves and others of things that aren't sure.

People who are dying or facing death want comfort...not intellctual dignity. That's for living people trying to feel in control by being "smart". I am agnostic and pro science but so many people argue using science as if its an end all answer rather than a process. We don't know what if anything exists before and after. We don't know what will be discovered by science in the future. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence and science has discovered many things people said were nonsense, wtichcraft, or lies. I think trying to convince people there is nothing because that's all we have evidence for now is cruel. Let people die in peace if that works for them.

 

[KCN]

Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

I know, but plenty of evidence was provided in the earlier posts- among this the fact that consciousness is strictly linked to a physical brain- yet it was deliberately skipped and ignored in favor of personal unproven beliefs.

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To all other users, I ask not to be quoted anymore since there cannot be an honest debate where actual studies are ignored and all that gets priority is "faith".
Thanks, bye.

 

[6477244ts5]

I know, but plenty of evidence was provided in the earlier posts- among this the fact that consciousness is strictly linked to a physical brain- yet it was deliberately skipped and ignored in favor of personal unproven beliefs.

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To all other users, I ask not to be quoted anymore since there cannot be an honest debate where actual studies are ignored and all that gets priority is "faith".
Thanks, bye.

No evidence proves consciousness is strictly linked to the physical brain and I refuted that. It's a theory. There are other plausible options. You make think emergence is more likely but its not proven.

 

[Tiburcio]

I love this thread. I like seeing the world burning and people in conflict while I eat popcorn and let them complain all they want.

I know, I'm despicable.