Am I a horrible person for being sympathetic(?) for pedophiles?

[Chili]

I am part of the pedofile hate faction. If you're convicted, go straight to the chair. Pedo'ing & offending have no known cure, though therapy is typically what pedos are referred to. There have been many different services offered to those who have perp'd on kids, none are effective. All those openly embracing it can go to the chair, too. As for those who do not act on their urges, sure. I can have some sympathy. Some of that may even be a response to trauma. But, there is a point when you need to realize you can't do it. You can't touch kids. Most of these folks aren't open and bragging about liking kids/being caught in a pedo sting (because if they were truly a non offender, they wouldn't go to see the kid?? Like they have to have intention to leave and meet with this child). Ie, we don't hear about them because theyre minding their business

As for media (not actual CP), it's weird. I don't like it. I don't think it's a non-offense (probably not the right way to say it), but do you really want to defend loli porn content of elementary school girls and middle school girls? I mean, think about why that doesn't bother you and seems normal. Ig the summary of this is, I don't like the loli stuff. I WILL judge you for it. I don't police your business, though.

 

[bieatmania]

I am part of the pedofile hate faction. If you're convicted, go straight to the chair. Pedo'ing & offending have no known cure, though therapy is typically what pedos are referred to. There have been many different services offered to those who have perp'd on kids, none are effective. All those openly embracing it can go to the chair, too. As for those who do not act on their urges, sure. I can have some sympathy. Some of that may even be a response to trauma. But, there is a point when you need to realize you can't do it. You can't touch kids. Most of these folks aren't open and bragging about liking kids/being caught in a pedo sting (because if they were truly a non offender, they wouldn't go to see the kid?? Like they have to have intention to leave and meet with this child). Ie, we don't hear about them because theyre minding their business

As for media (not actual CP), it's weird. I don't like it. I don't think it's a non-offense (probably not the right way to say it), but do you really want to defend loli porn content of elementary school girls and middle school girls? I mean, think about why that doesn't bother you and seems normal. Ig the summary of this is, I don't like the loli stuff. I WILL judge you for it. I don't police your business, though.

My posts ended up being too long and didn't really articulate my points, but I think the very normalized hatred for pedophiles in certain culture can be very oppressive to those who are accused of it including ones who can stop themselves from committing the acts.

As for Media, I wasn't specifically defending loli contents. Otaku Industry is just a medium that has loli as one of their many medium. The way certain credit company pulled their service has done damage to whole industry which mostly isn't specifically about loli.
I think it's wrong to attack one industry in such a way because there are certain contents they don't like.
I personally started finding myself avoiding "loli" contents after spending some time in western platforms, I think it's natural for people to be judged and attacked for liking these materials in a place where it's expected reaction.

But the problem is that lots of Japanese artists publish said materials in platform like Twitter while being unaware of possibility westerner randomly finding the post and having extreme reaction. I've been some case of them end up being harassed for drawing loli porn.
Such occurrence wouldn't have happened in 00's where japanese internet and western one was disconnected in platform level.
liking such materials has been normalized for decades in japanese space because they don't associate it with real life crime and the place they discuss otaku media(including loli as smaller sector/fetish) was very much underground and not associated with mainstream values.
They are also clueless about certain culture in west having extreme hatred towards the thing they depict.

 

[baberty]

I'm an adult victim of csa that has left me so broken I can't stand physical contact, even though I have to deal with it. Every night, I wake screaming. There's a difference between thought and action. The line where they meet isn't even a fine line. Action is the issue. If we're talking about folks who have crossed that line, then, no, they deserve NOTHING BUT MY CONTEMPT and ALL the pain and suffering this world can dump on them. It's the gift I was given, they deserve it back tenfold.

 

[BeansOfRequirement]

I think there are two levels to this. First, the distinction between having this terrible sexuality and not acting on it; and literally raping children and destroying lives (which seems like most people agree after thinking a bit). Secondly, is how you deal with evil/crimes/etc in general. I'm basically a negative utilitarian and I think that if people were able to act out their "ideas" of justice our world would become infinitely, or close to infinitely, worse. I remember like ten years ago also being completely on-board with the "no sympathy, make them suffer"-line of "thinking" at least in one conversation, and it's very common and human to get revved up emotionally and then base your "moral system" based on your rage and hatred. However, that's the completely wrong direction to go in. So, what do I propose as responses? Simplified it would be to minimize all suffering of all beings (this doesn't mean there's no room for corrective punishment and so on, but it'll be thought out and serve a purpose that's not sadism [yes, this could include *proportional* "justice" for the sake of victim and/or perpetrator/deterrence/etc]).

 

[TheLastGreySky]

I'm talking about how pedophiles are treated in west, from what I've seen. To qualify I am not from western cultural sphere, I'm from Japan. I've spend lot of time in otaku community, which is tolerant toward 2D "loli" materials as long as they're kept from public eye and legal in Japanese law. so I might be biased toward this subject even more than average non-westerner person.

Pedophile face worst treatment I've seen done to group of people based on their sexual attraction, and western People absolutely lose their mind when talking about pedophile. When I ask "Why do you hate them so much?" they would be confused, accuse me of "defending pedophile", provoking people by saying controversial things, or in best case reply me with justification that seems still off.
One of these reply I've got are "Hate will make them become self-aware and seek help instead of actually acting on kids".
But the way they talk of human right of Queer people and then say thing like "Kill your local pedophile" seems hypocritical for me.
The point in reply is still at least partially true and I'm not knowledgeable in western culture enough to make any statement regarding it.
So I'm not going to make point how westerner should stop hating on pedophile. I'm just wondering how could one be so cruel to one group of people while being so sympathetic to other group of minority like LGBTQ+.



But the way people treat pedophile are very uncanny and horrifying to me, it is as if they are projecting all of their negative feeling into pedophile, like scapegoat. It seems very psychopathic how some people would want to torture and kill them and hope god to torment them for eternity in hell.
I don't necessary feel emotional about this and I am probably just as being hypocritical when I'm not showing sympathy toward LGBTQ+.

Practically, This personally affects me in how western company are pressuring some of platform that sells otaku material, such as pulling credit card service from platform because they did not comply with international standard in regard to protection of child.
It's absurd to me and many Japanese otaku because we are well aware that fiction is different thing from reality and we do not associate fictional child with real child, and they are destroying whole industry in order to hopefully eradicate one genre of it that is "loli". I am not particularly fan of loli especially after spending lot of time in community with very anti-pedophile sentiment. but I am still fan of Japanese otaku culture being Japanese myself and it also affects all people with same hobby as me.
I see westerner harassing Japanese artist for drawing loli material, they've always published these word in very underground place so it won't caught in sight of normal people, but now any westerner can find these work in centralized social network like twitter and act aggressively. Japanese people would just leave them alone even when finding them very revolting.

I'm usually very apathetic towards politics or social justice, but I might have developed sympathy toward pedophile after being exposed to how western people dehumanize them. so does this make me a horrible person in west? these are just my thoughts and I never advocated for pedophile in real life. I did defend Japanese artist who draws these(and being attacked), or when expressing opinion about Japanese platform I've mentioned above however.

The truth is anyone who hates an entire group of people based on something they can't control are sociopathic narcissists. Well yes, I completely understand why they hate them I mean who wouldn't at the very least have adverse feelings towards people who prey on others sexually?
Especially defenseless children.

However as you said people have not only gone so far as to demonize an entire group of people... they've even stretched out to attack fictional characters and even the entire industry despite that being potentially the only safe outlet preventing pedophiles from actually offending.
But the thing is the West glorifies mental illness and social bullying. In the '90s we were all against peer pressure... And now it's legitimately everywhere.
I'm not trying to attack anyone but there are countless examples of mental illness that are not only acceptable but have become "trendy."
And narcissism is the top on that list.
People literally make video after video saying everyone is a narcissist but them and there delusions are reinforced by other narcissists.

In the west if you ship the wrong characters you WILL have people harass you. Are the characters related? Prepared to be bullied. Are the characters canonically a different sexuality than what you portray? Prepare to be bullied.
People in the west call it problematic shipping.
And frankly, those types of people need to touch grass and stop being keyboard warriors.
These people can't tell reality from fiction and if they don't like something they feel compelled to attack people of different mindsets. It is really sickening, but anyone who grew up posting art on deviantART knows exactly what I'm talking about.
So why the hypocrisy? For attention; plain and simple. "Look at me go on a crusade against this huge evil. Aren't I such an amazing person?!!"

Oh but it gets so much worse too... The West pretends they hate pedophiles but is completely selective about it. I mean after all if they truly hated pedophiles Stephen King's book It wouldn't be published to this day with a sewer orgy with minor characters... And I mean really drastically young, I don't even think they were teenage. And there's are a lot more examples that I've personally seen, but the fact is it's all for toxic people to spew hate and malice and then act like it's not only normal, but that it's the right thing.
How dare you think for yourself right?
How dare you be able to distinguish between fictional characters not actually existing and still enjoy them?

But remember if you don't agree with the majority they will just label you as pedophile yourself,
So the best thing to do is probably not associate with westerners with that mindset as best as you can. There's a song by the band Radiohead called karma police that really sums up my point entirely.
I know that the rest of the world has the mentality of "don't like it, then read something else" but the west just doesn't stop complaining about *drum roll* cartoons. like... Dude... There's literally a concept called thought crimes now.

 

[사람이 없어]

Nah, and there's a big distinction between pedo, lolicon and child molester/rapist.

The pedo has an attraction to real kids for one reason or another, but that doesn't mean they'll act out on it or even try to look for material as they know it's a terrible thing to do. There's even been pedophiles who CTBd because they found it to be the best solution as they weren't sure they could keep resisting their whole life.
I find that sad, because even if they want to get help they'll still be demonized over something that's not in their control. That's so cruel.

Lolicons are attracted to drawn anime porn and again, it's all fictional and I also know many aren't attracted to real kids either. Like, who cares really. Same way some ppl like gore or rape or vore etc, but that doesn't mean they'll want that or even carry it out IRL.

Child molester/rapist is the actual crime and where I do feel hate is warranted. They're either pure evil and/or severely broken people and they shouldn't ever be let out to walk on the streets again unless you could somehow 100% guaranteed stop them from having any sexual or romantic attraction ever again, but idk if that's possible.

There's also something else which is people being into 3D child porn that's neither real nor lolicon, but idk where to place those people, as I know many lolicons don't like that type of stuff.

I also feel many, many, many lolicons get some emotional/sexual(?) release with legal girls who are like/look the part of a child of sorts, at least in my experience as way more than half the guys I speak with (and some girls) end up admitting to me eventually (in great fear even) that they're lolicons, lol.
I never asked any of them if they're into real kids, but I have in a round-about way said I wouldn't be okay with that and they'd always say they wouldn't be okay with it either. They could be lying to me, but I choose to believe they aren't actual pedophiles.

The West pretends they hate pedophiles but is completely selective about it.

See: making ~12-year olds appear as if they're fully grown adults with sexualized clothing or makeup that makes you look a decade older.
It's creepy af, but apparently totally normal.