Anyone else fear after death you have to watch wgat your actions did to loved ones

[Eudaimonic]

i'm not saying there is any hell i'm saying existence can be hell like here life for a human on Earth. i'm saying that only non-existence forever after Death is the only guarantee of anyone not going through the worst kind of suffering pain or torture. i see a lot of people believe in afterlives but they don't give any details of these lives after Death. i know since they can't give any details then they can't guarantee i nor anyone won't go through the worst kind of suffering pain , or torture in this life or any afterlife .

non-existence forever = no chance of extreme suffering , extreme pain , nor extreme torture. any kind of life / existence / consciousness there is a chance of chance of extreme suffering , extreme pain , nor extreme torture

so to me non-existence is what is desirable . i don't want to be at risk for extreme suffering. by the law of probability the longer i exist the more likely something very horrible will happen to me . so i want to shorten the time i exist to lessen my chance of suffering extremely is one reason i want to ctb asap.

what is desirable != what is actual. i desire nonexistence as well, and i am terrified of consciousness persisting, but there's no way to know for certain that's what follows death

 

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Queer Suicidality, Conflict and Repair: The Death of Bryn Kelly

I can't bear to put the people that I love, even if I'm in a mood where I'm like "I want them to feel pain and I want them to know how bad they hurt me." Even in that moment, I can't imagine putting those people through that. Like knowing the details of that takes the wind out of the sails of that for me personally.

thank you so much for posting that, i read all of it.

[...] she could not get to a place where the frustration provoked by normative difficulty did not become an emblem of all the grotesque institutional oppression and erasure and burden that she had been asked to bear.

i understand more why i often find myself in that position now. so much more to think about too. saving this forever

 

[Namelesa]

While I would prefer to stay in non existence after death as all I want is to not feel or do or desire or fear anything and I assume this is whats going to happen after death, but if I had to exist in some form after death I would be glad about seeing my family's reaction to my death as I want to greatly suffer and grief from it for creating and trapping me here and preventing me from killing myself.

 

[Forever Sleep]

I doubt it will happen after death but I suppose, picturing what it could do to certain people is why I'm still holding on now.

My hope is to wait till my Dad goes. After that, it's hard to judge what affect it might have. It's one of those things that could go either way but I doubt there would be devastation as such beyond him. Other people simply aren't that close now. Some even know I've had ideation since childhood so- it shouldn't come as a shock to them if I do it.

 

[LittleNelson]

I do believe that when we die we go through a Life Review and we see how our actions hurt other people but I don't think this is necessary a bad thing. It's about learning and healing so we can do better in our next life. Even if watching my life review is painful I can't imagine it's worse than the torture my depression puts me every day.

 

[heyismeman]

i don't need nor want any of those supposed joy , pleasure etc. in the first place . plus the extreme pain possible dwarfs any meaningless addiction pleasure.
what's worth just 6 hours of burning pain in the brazen bull torture where all your skin is being burned against scalding hot metal over fire?




i don't buy any of that plus there's no evidence plus roomsfulls of evidence a human is just another animal a machine chemical reactions. do chemical reactions exist forever

i'll always believe after my brain dies it will be non-existence forever . there is no evidence for any of those theories of afterlives, quantum bs, multiverses, other dimensions, computer simulation nothing ... these are all just theories with no evidence. imo all that just to give a human a feeling of importance anything other than to believe just chemical reactions , a machine no difference from anything else a machine or other chemical reactions. why haven't they ever found a single peice of experimental evidence for any of these things after many decades of trying to find evidence?


there's no evidence plus no details , no details of the mechanism for any of those theories like where are the souls, the power source , etc, why no evidence of a soul or power source for example with all the equipment ?

No one can mathematically explain it to you man you're looking at it like that, but you nor any scientist can mathematically prove that consciousness is purely a bi product of a brain. Neuroscience is not all there we barely understand how a brain truly works. People have completely different life experiences and different life events that makes them think there's a higher force. If you look at pure science the people in the know argue from between 4 to 10 to 26 dimensions so if you're looking at things purely from a mechanical perspective you also don't know anything. I personally find it unlikely out of the billions of years the universe shares (could be infinite) this current me by chance happens to be around at this present by absolute luck. Before I was born billions of years passed and I woke up and when I die whatever infinite amount of time frame will pass also but I won't perceive it like before my birth but I think it's just likely I'll wake up again, probably not as me, I won't be Bill. Then there's spooky life stuff. The smartest brains in this planet, scientists with 160+ iq the majority believe in something after life for most people it's an obvious realization and they see sprinkles of the divine thought existence. I wish I didn't think so and I was sure death is infinite I would much rather prefer that. All I'm saying is I personally doubt it and I genuinely wish I had your mind and was sure of what comes at the end. I PERSONALLY think the universe requires something like an unknown observing consciousness that gives it structure. Look up the double slit experiment I know it's clitche and you probably know about it, but we do know the act of measurement does effect the reality of the world. But what youre looking for is a mathematics answer and you're not gonna get that

 

[E Butler]

You doubt it out of f

You doubt that we just return to the nothingness from whence we came? Why? I can't imagine any other scenario aside from it being the same as before we were born. I'm afraid of the Christian Hell, just because that's what I was taught; but, if I had been born in Japan or India, I'd be thinking I'd be reincarnated; if I was born Native, I'd be thinking we'd move onto some kind of spirit realm.

The end of the day, no one knows anything, and if they say they do, they're lying or misunderstanding physical reactions. DMT is released upon death, so near death experiences are just tripping balls, even though they likely feel more real than reality.

Nah. It has to be nothingness.

Nowhere near enough DMT is released at the point of death to trigger an experience. This has been debunked a long time ago. There still remains no satisfactory explanation for NDEs

 

[Ashes of a Dreamer]

Well, I don't think this will happen - spiritual life apart from the physical one seems an illusion for me - but, if so, I'd probably keep in touch somehow, appearing to them :)

 

[SchrodingerIsDed]

Nowhere near enough DMT is released at the point of death to trigger an experience. This has been debunked a long time ago. There still remains no satisfactory explanation for NDEs

I tried to check again. My sources show that we kinda just don't know the amount of DMT that is released upon death. Just that it is created in the pineal gland and other cells and could have an effect. But who knows. It comforts me to think about it that way, because an entirely separate spiritual world with entirely separate rules--perhaps terrifyingly unfair rules--does not sound appealing. It sounds much more appealing that DMT is just released in NDEs.

Also, it doesn't necessarily make sense--though I haven't done great study on the matter--that NDEs would be a standard thing, because it seems to happen most strongly with peoples' beliefs or knowledge of the world gained through the physical plane. i.e. Christians have Christian NDEs. If they're not Christian and become Christian after an NDE, they were still exposed to the ideology.

The commonalities are: a bright white warm light; reviews of their lives (could just be memories fluttering across the brain as it dies); a sense of unity or oneness; etc, etc. So there are enough commonalities to suggest misfiring of the brain or some strange chemical releases; but, no overarching deities, really, since it coincides with the individuals beliefs or knowledge of religion. i.e. If someone didn't know about Christianity, they wouldn't be liable to have an NDE resembling the Christian theology.

 

[agapewinters]

im more so worried about the absence of nothingness. if im merely stuck with the eternal rumination of my actions with no escape or solace or way of rationalizing my regrets over my lifetime.
the idea of being merely suspended in time with nothing but yourself is terrifying but, i suppose the only thing that keeps you suffering is not accepting the horror you experience. At least then, at that very moment, there's a release from external suffering, just internal.

 

[divinemistress36]

I have this viewpoint on some level, as well. But then the counterarguments will usually be, "But then you avoid the most pleasures, as well." What would you say there? By unaliving, you also remove all chances of extreme joy, extreme pleasure, extreme satisfaction.

Some of us never feel joy