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dontwakemeup

dontwakemeup

Arcanist
Nov 11, 2024
440
It's obvious everyone that comes across this site aren't members. I've come to realize that people will never understand us and accept that we simply want to cease to exist. Whether you're here because a loved one have died to suicide and you simply can't understand why. Perhaps you can't decide if this is the road to take. Or maybe you're like me, have failed attempts. What do you guys want the lurkers to hopefully understand as it relates to suicide? I'll go 1st.
It's obvious everyone that comes across this site aren't members. I've come to realize that people will never understand us and accept that we simply want to cease to exist. Whether you're here because a loved one have died to suicide and you simply can't understand why. Perhaps you can't decide if this is the road to take. Or maybe you're like me, have failed attempts. What do you guys want the lurkers to hopefully understand as it relates to suicide? I'll go 1st.

I want people to understand that suicide is not the "easy" way out. Personally, I think it's the hardest decision one has to make.
I want people to know when we make an "attempt" we aren't doing for attention. Our attempts fail because we most likely haven't had the means or the time to do proper research. We don't bluff. And personally for me, "waking up alive" is a horrible experience. We don't know what's on the other side after an attempt, but we are in so much pain, that we are willing to take that risk if the only option is staying here.
 
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SomewhereAlongThe

SomewhereAlongThe

Student
May 17, 2024
193
Suicide should be our right. We should be allowed to decide if we want to exit this hell. Otherwise we suffer, and that shouldn't be how anyone has to live.

Edit: Sometimes it just doesn't get better
 
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Namelesa

Namelesa

Trapped in this Suffering
Sep 21, 2024
455
I would want them to understand that:
  • Suicide shouldn't be seen as a bad action as we didn't have a choice to be here so its fair that we can have the choice to leave this life early if we want to.
  • That it is equally selfish to keep someone here alive suffer when they don't want to cus you don't want to suffer their absence.
  • Suicide shouldn't be seen as the problem as its just a symptom and stopping it as much as possible will make things worse as the actual problem is the issues a person is facing and with life itself.
 
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alltoomuch2

alltoomuch2

Paragon
Feb 10, 2024
941
I want them to know that sasu wasn't the cause of the suicide. In fact this site was probably the most comforting community the person had in their last days. We don't promote it or encourage it. We just understand. If your loved one or friend took their own life, they would have done it with or without this site. If you're looking for a cause, look at their life, not at us. We didn't cause this. That's an easy way out for you to avoid difficult questions.
 
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dontwakemeup

dontwakemeup

Arcanist
Nov 11, 2024
440
I want them to know, if we attempt or is successful it doesn't mean we didn't love you. Don't blame yourself, it isn't personal towards you. You couldn't have saved us no matter if you tried or if you did try. Please don't think suicide is a reflection of you.

I dislike the phrase, "there we no signs!" There is always signs, I promise you. Maybe the day we attempt there were no signs but we have tried to have a discussion with you. Once we start to open up, people immediately tell us this is not normal. They began to feel uncomfortable and we sense that, so we go silent. And we suffer so long, in silence. Maybe you guys threatened us with a 5150 so we learned to be quiet. But be clear, it's not your fault. I just want the lurkers to understand that we tried to be open.
It's obvious everyone that comes across this site aren't members. I've come to realize that people will never understand us and accept that we simply want to cease to exist. Whether you're here because a loved one have died to suicide and you simply can't understand why. Perhaps you can't decide if this is the road to take. Or maybe you're like me, have failed attempts. What do you guys want the lurkers to hopefully understand as it relates to suicide? I'll go 1st.


I want people to understand that suicide is not the "easy" way out. Personally, I think it's the hardest decision one has to make.
I want people to know when we make an "attempt" we aren't doing for attention. Our attempts fail because we most likely haven't had the means or the time to do proper research. We don't bluff. And personally for me, "waking up alive" is a horrible experience. We don't know what's on the other side after an attempt, but we are in so much pain, that we are willing to take that risk if the only option is staying here.
Regarding medication: Medication can only do so much. Whether that person was on medication or not, please understand this: Medications do NOT erase any trauma or abuse one has endured. For those with trauma, we have to remember that for the rest of our lives. We only have bad days or horrible days. There simply isn't a between. We may smile and laugh with you, work with you and you may think we are the nicest people. Understand this: We know very well how pain feels, and usually the happiest person in the room is the saddest.
 
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The_Hunter

The_Hunter

Hunter
Nov 30, 2024
85
That suicide is a deeply misunderstood phenomenon, and that it is entirely possible for any person who cares enough and is willing, to understand why people feel this way. That suicide's portrayal as an exotic mystery to be shunned is a terrible mistake that society & common culture has made; that this itself has resulted in both the shunning of the people who are suicidal, in addition to the unfortunate absence of heartful conversation regarding these intense & tender topics.

You must, you must regard the suicidal as human and at least desiring to mean something well. You have the right to call into question the logicality of suicide and decide on own honest grounds, the morality of it. But I tell you, I tell you--you cannot reach anywhere in dialogue with the suicidal if you do not regard them as human and capable of making good conclusions--which I do not to intend suicide as an unassailable conclusions.

Oh, and this forum is not a death cult. This community feels grief when we learn of a member's suicide, and we become glad to know if they are well after that. I have witnessed this myself in a chatroom. We do not celebrate death; we only wish to give people company, and some solace from the loneliness that many struggle with, suicide besides.

To refuse all dialogue of anything within vicinity of suicide, is to enact loneliness upon this already very lonely feeling for those who bear it. I implore the average person to open their heart and be willing to understand the discomfort of the suicidal. Who knows, maybe in your quest to understand others, perhaps you will one day find this oscillating disharmony within yourself and be able to feel alright despite that, because of our practices in understanding.

This can happen to anyone. Everyone has their own values for what makes life worth living, and those values can work for them or against them. This is not some magical spirit that possesses people at sudden; no, this is a real process that occurs in quantifiable ways; that is not to be idolized, that is not to be mystified--that must, and I repeat, must--be addressed honestly, with acceptance of uncertainty, the acceptance of the unacceptable--for the sake of humanity, if not anything but that.

Suicide is not the result of "propaganda" or the "liberal agenda", or any "modern craze" as it may be sensationalized as. The "Blue Whale game" was a hoax. Suicide has occurred all across history, in nigh all societies, to people famous and infamous, widely known and unheard of. It is clearly something that results from some common conflict of being human.

So humanize it, realize it, understand it. Do not fear it. Do not idolize it. And, I do say this most harshly--do not shun it. What matters more, your privileged perfect "goodly feeling" or some else's suffering and actual life struggles? You have an obligation upon yourself at the very least, to have a basic level of understanding as to not exacerbate this issue further, to publish platitude publicly to the world, to give the suicidal genuine thought and sympathy for their situation; to hear them out and understand the only way to have any chance of convincing people (in any respect) is to regard them as human and their intentions something to be respected. If you say no such obligation exists, then I cannot compel you. I consider it fair enough within the rights of reason.

And lastly. Suicide is not secret or cultish, but secretly ingrained in our culture. Hell... fucking Bohemian Rhapsody. Listen to that song and tell me [that the idea of] suicide is unheard of in modern culture, and untouched upon entirely.

Whatever belief or conviction you hold, whether you regard suicide as deplorable or (without my endorsement) somehow virtuous; it is something that, whether we like it or not, has become part of us. As humanity as a whole. I hate to know that such ideas are a part of me; but knowing that they are inherently from some kind of human primality, that has manifested in ways common and forms known but overlooked--gives some sense of comfort, that this truly is not so odd. It may still be something to reconsider, to avoid holily embracing, to be reckoned with and pondered over & reasoned against; but in the end, it's not so odd, and knowing this, we can accept what we truly hold beautiful & true, and work towards reducing suffering through honest understanding. We do not need to give up our reason [n]or our values to harmonize together in such a small yet grand pursuit. I ask that any one join me in this, to work towards understanding, and recontextualizing themselves and the world in their eyes. I bid you my best of wishes. And wherever you are, I wish you well too. Take care of yourself. I give you these words of what I hope is honest in the hopes that you are able to find harmony for yourself, and be able to realize understanding better, I hope. My words with you. And your thoughts with yourself.
 
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EvisceratedJester

EvisceratedJester

|| What Else Could I Be But a Jester ||
Oct 21, 2023
3,865
I want lurkers to understand that I took a laxative today and it has so far caused me to shit three times. That's right! I'm not ashamed of it! You can judge me all you want you LURKERS!

I don't care what you losers think of little old me over here.
 
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Shadows From Hell

Shadows From Hell

I'm ready for Hell
Oct 21, 2024
133
To the lurkers:

Talking down on us for attempting doesn't make us feel guilty. It makes us feel more like shit and brings our self esteem even lower.

Saying others have it worse than us doesn't help matters. You have no idea what goes through our minds, or what we go through each day just to get through the day.

If I could find some way to put you in my shoes for one week, I promise you, after about a day, you'll be begging to take them off. You'll see a darker side of hell you've never knew existed.


For my fellow SaSu family:

I was told by a psychiatrist one day, that our brains are like a series of wires, and somewhere along the way, some of our wires got twisted, which leads to the way we feel and react to things, which in turn causes depression and/or suicidal thoughts. She also said people going through chronic pain, will wind up having the same thought process, trying to find a way to ease the pain.

In a way, it kind of makes sense, but it didn't make me feel better.
 
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L'absent

L'absent

À ma manière 🪦
Aug 18, 2024
1,013
As for lurkers, I couldn't care less about what they do, think, or observe. I don't need their attention, approval, or understanding. I don't write or speak to be understood or to spark debates; everything I express is for myself and also to interact with certain minds, people with whom I can establish an authentic connection. This, in my opinion, is the only true purpose of a forum. I'm not interested in anyone trying to dissuade me or influence my ideas, especially on complex and personal topics like suicide. I have my own convictions, developed through my own journey, and I don't care about others' opinions or interpretations. I don't live to please or adapt to others: what matters is my relationship with myself, my thoughts, and my emotions. Everything else is irrelevant.
 
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Pluto

Pluto

Meowing to go out
Dec 27, 2020
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LostLily

LostLily

Why do I exist?
Nov 18, 2024
359
That a lot of us have exhausted all options in life. Most of us have gone through years of therapy and medication and are still broken. We see suicidal as a last resort because we already fought so hard to live, but nothing is working
 
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nihilistic_dragon

nihilistic_dragon

Dead already. Just need to dispose of my body now.
Aug 6, 2024
772
I want them to understand that a lot of us are not suicidal, we simply do not wish to exist. And we want access to a reliable, peaceful method so we can quietly check out without the fear of failing and becoming a vegetable or acquiring some sort of other permanent damage.
 
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pthnrdnojvsc

Extreme Pain is much worse than people know
Aug 12, 2019
2,853
We live in a prison world where no one has a right to move away from a trap of extreme suffering, constant unbearable pain , nor extreme torture nor unsolvable problems.

they took away our rights by making it a crime to pay someone to get you out of a trap of extreme suffering where the only way out is suicide.

every year many people maim themselves or get brain damaged trying to escape this hell using diy risky brutal suicide methods . no one cares this is happening as it is hidden

They made paying someone to help you with suicide a crime. it wasn't a crime for 200,000 years until they wrote laws making that a crime.. they put Dr. Kevorkian in prison for assisting in suicide. Kenneth Law is in jail now also because he sold suicide supplies online. they put N from D in jail for sellling Nembutal online. I think D was selling Nembutal for at least 10 years or more online under other names like A , and D, and B. they made nembutal a crime . then stole the only online Nembutal source from everyone in the world . close to 1 million people world wide kill themselves with painful brutal methods like hanging, jumping , train, even burning themselves alive because they made someone helping with suicide a crime and nembutal , sucide booths a crime

Any of the 8 billion humans could fall into a trap of extreme suffering where the only way out is suicide to escape life. but they made that almost impossible on purpose and they have everyone brainwashed to think is the best thing and needed to take away everyone's rights to move away from extreme suffering.

it's ridiculously easy for someone else to help you in suicide to escape excruciating pain or extreme suffering. someone helping you makes it guaranteed and you don't have to defeat si. for example someone could shoot me in the head with a gun or inject me with Nembutal . the reason i don't shoot myself today is there is a small chance of me failing and remaining alive maimed or with brain damage. i can only take one shot. someone else could keep shooting me with many shots or other applications of a weapon until they make sure i'm dead which is what i want .

The fact is that right the means for a guaranteed escape has always been there for 200,000 years since humans could talk and use stone tools.

it had been there for any one to pay someone else even with a stone spear or stone weapon. but they took away our right by making it a crime to pay someone to get you out of a trap of extreme suffering where the only way out is suicide.

they have most humans thinking that they are immune to very horrible things happening to them. i worked in a nursing home and the probability rises exponentially with old age

They stole our rights to move away from suffering in a guaranteed easy painless quick way

to lurkers : every one is going to die anyway. what about that don't you understand We will all die anyway no matter what. look in the mirror you are just a temporary bag of 30 trillion cells . in 150 years we will all be rotting corpses with worms eating decaying corpse. nothing matters except avoiding extreme suffering and extreme pain and you took away all means to that.

Humans even killed a large bear with a stone spear 35,000 years ago. a Bear skull was found with a stone spear hole in it. a bear's skull is much stronger and thicker than a humans . so a stone spear could have been used for assisting suicide 35,000 years ago. of course a gun , shotgun or rifle is much easier and painless to assist me in my suicide

They not only stole our rights to move away from suffering in a guaranteed easy painless quick way but they also stole our right to be the owner of our own life and have any kind of freedom or individual autonomy. if you can't kill or leave your own body when you want to for any reason then you don't own your body and you don't have any freedom you're a slave a prisoner, you can't leave this prison world and evil life when you want to
 
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WhiteRabbit

WhiteRabbit

I'm late, i'm late. For a very important date.
Feb 12, 2019
1,505
I want them to know we aren't all anime pfp weebs!
 
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human909

human909

I just want peace
Dec 30, 2024
81
Life sucks as hell, if you feel like you wanna suicide just go right ahead, i don't care about anything anymore. Otherwise we would be all suffering in this dark dark world but remember once you have chosen your past there is no going back to the real world.
 
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neenie

neenie

Member
Dec 20, 2024
75
Stigmatizing and criminalizing suicide does not lead to a decrease in suicide attempts (and successes), it only leads to the endangerment of the indivudals who are going to attempt as unsuccessful attempts will likely cause long term damage to organs, muscles, bones, nervous systems, tissues of all sorts, etc

Also we're not promoting suicide in any way, shape or form, only providing support and advice for those who have decided to make this choice
 
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ijustwishtodie

ijustwishtodie

death will be my ultimate bliss
Oct 29, 2023
5,551
I wish they could understand that the only type of help that I need from them is for them to legalise N or the sacro pod and let me access this. I also wish that they understood that death isn't a tragedy or a bad thing since it doesn't harm the being who is now dead. Lastly, I wish they understood that I'm not irrational for wanting an earlier death as I have considered this subject for a long time now
 
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SVEN

Enlightened
Apr 3, 2023
1,966
I want lurkers to understand that I took a laxative today and it has so far caused me to shit three times. That's right! I'm not ashamed of it! You can judge me all you want you LURKERS!

I don't care what you losers think of little old me over here.
I want them to comprehend and understand how terrible it is to cause a Jester to guilt trip over some little old laxative overdose.
Shame on them.
 
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NeedyAphrodite

New Member
Oct 2, 2024
3
I have tried to live my whole life. I have tried NOT to commit suicide so many times. I am so tired. My body and brain have given out. It just keeps getting worse and I can't keep giving what I haven't got. how many times do I rebuild before i have nothing to rebuild with? It's like the knight who keeps going in monty python. I feel pathetic at this point. If I was an animal they would euthanise me.
 
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Peace2peace

Student
Dec 26, 2024
147
Nobody truly wishes to ctb sometimes the pain is just so unbearable that u lost the will to live
 
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avalokitesvara

bodhisattva
Nov 28, 2024
226
If someone close to you has survived an attempt please don't say to them, "how could you do this to yourself?" or worse "how could you do this to ME?". Try to find the compassion in your heart to understand and be able to say, "you must have been suffering so much. My poor darling". Accept that suffering exists, accept that suicide is an attempt to end suffering. Have compassion for that. If you feel angry or afraid, that's ok, but don't put it on the survivor. Just give them your acceptance and love and compassion.
 
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thinkingofdeath

Member
Dec 26, 2024
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I'd encourage you not to jump to conclusions about this site, even if you're hurting, and even if your instinct is to blame places like this one for the pain that you're feeling (e.g., if you've lost someone close to you to suicide recently).

I've read some of the articles about SaSu or SaSu-like sites in the media, and from what I've seen so far, I feel like it's presented in a way that's an oversimplification compared to what the site actually offers to the wide range of people who frequent it. Please try to remember that sometimes reporters will focus on certain aspects of a story in order to write something that will build engagement and even purposely evoke negative emotions like outrage. Not all reporters, but this does happen.

Some benefits of SaSu as I see it:

I was telling a friend on the phone the other day, "It's pretty crazy. People will post their suicide plan and ask others to critique it. But like, the critiques are actually useful; I've learned that a lot of stuff I thought was effective is actually liable to give you permanent injuries or turn you into a vegetable. This way people at least know what they're getting into." So as a harm reduction approach it actually makes sense to give people clear, transparent information, from my perspective. SaSu has probably saved more than a couple of people from self-harming themselves inadvertently in a way that would've left the people with an even more difficult life.

And, sometimes, people change their mind and decide not to kill themselves. For me, it's an urge that comes and goes. Speaking from my own experience, I've appreciated people holding space for my pain and actually respecting me sharing how much it hurts without trying to change my mind or dissuade me or convince me of what they want and think is best. It actually means the world to me just to have someone take me seriously but not take action — and just bear witness and acknowledge what I feel like I want in that moment. In a way, just being given permission to feel this low, without people trying to rush me to the hospital or push their care on me, gives me a chance to feel my feelings, and that can actually help them pass through faster and helps me feel not so attached to suicide as the only/best solution.
 
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MyTimeIsUp

Perhaps I'll be important when I'm long gone?
Feb 27, 2024
515
Why are you literally all presuming all lurkers have never dealt with the things you have?

I was a lurker for 6 months before I actually joined.

I had dealt with wanting to die since I was a child. I am 35.

I have tried to kill myself absolutely countless times

Shall I go on?

Never presume lurkers haven't got a CLUE about mental illness or wanting to die. I bet most of you were lurkers before you actually joined. I wasn't planning on actually joining, but I noticed how I could relate to others, so I joined

It's a bit like an ex smoker that suddenly becomes ANTI. That's literally how you sound, "only we know everything about suicidal thoughts, lurkers couldn't POSSIBLY".

Get a grip people. Just because you're on a suicide forum, it doesn't make you a fucking expert. What about those that have killed themselves without looking at methods on a website (you know before the Internet, people did kill themselves easily..).
 
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Daxter777

Daxter777

Member
May 22, 2023
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To the lurkers:

Talking down on us for attempting doesn't make us feel guilty. It makes us feel more like shit and brings our self esteem even lower.

Saying others have it worse than us doesn't help matters. You have no idea what goes through our minds, or what we go through each day just to get through the day.

If I could find some way to put you in my shoes for one week, I promise you, after about a day, you'll be begging to take them off. You'll see a darker side of hell you've never knew existed.


For my fellow SaSu family:

I was told by a psychiatrist one day, that our brains are like a series of wires, and somewhere along the way, some of our wires got twisted, which leads to the way we feel and react to things, which in turn causes depression and/or suicidal thoughts. She also said people going through chronic pain, will wind up having the same thought process, trying to find a way to ease the pain.

In a way, it kind of makes sense, but it didn't make me feel better.
I have anxiety and panic disorder on top of depression and the panic imo is far worse than the depression in my case. And I 100% agree with your psych on the thought process. This shit is like chronic pain and I just want to ctb to make it stop. When my depression kicks in on top of that it's that line of thinking multiplied.
 
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divinemistress36

Illuminated
Jan 1, 2024
3,456
I have tried every available treatment. Electroshock therapy gave me a lot of memory loss further traumatizing me. Ive tried a million meds a lot making me worse than I already am. Ive already done a lot of therapy. Im done being a guniea pig . Some people cant be helped let them be able to end their suffering
 
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darkest

darkest

Trapped in this cycle, a figure of eight
Feb 2, 2024
62
Why are you literally all presuming all lurkers have never dealt with the things you have?

I was a lurker for 6 months before I actually joined.

I had dealt with wanting to die since I was a child. I am 35.

I have tried to kill myself absolutely countless times

Shall I go on?

Never presume lurkers haven't got a CLUE about mental illness or wanting to die. I bet most of you were lurkers before you actually joined. I wasn't planning on actually joining, but I noticed how I could relate to others, so I joined

It's a bit like an ex smoker that suddenly becomes ANTI. That's literally how you sound, "only we know everything about suicidal thoughts, lurkers couldn't POSSIBLY".

Get a grip people. Just because you're on a suicide forum, it doesn't make you a fucking expert. What about those that have killed themselves without looking at methods on a website (you know before the Internet, people did kill themselves easily..).
chillax big guy, this is very obviously targeted to lurkers that are actually trying to find any way to take the website down or whatever other malicious intent they may have.

I get that it wasn't very clearly worded, but context man, calm your horses, no one's against you here, jeez.
 
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Shadows From Hell

Shadows From Hell

I'm ready for Hell
Oct 21, 2024
133
Just because you're on a suicide forum, it doesn't make you a fucking expert. What about those that have killed themselves without looking at methods on a website (you know before the Internet, people did kill themselves easily..).
We may not be experts, but you know more about you than the psychiatrists do. They only learn shit by talking to you. They tend to act like they know you better than you do.

If you read through these threads, you will see countless people talking about how meds, therapists, psych wards, etc .. failed to help them. A lot of them have said they feel better without the meds(although they still suffer from the same issues), and this site helps them cope, as it does me.

We aren't pretending to be experts, and we never claimed to be.
 
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MyTimeIsUp

Perhaps I'll be important when I'm long gone?
Feb 27, 2024
515
chillax big guy, this is very obviously targeted to lurkers that are actually trying to find any way to take the website down or whatever other malicious intent they may have.

I get that it wasn't very clearly worded, but context man, calm your horses, no one's against you here, jeez.
It's called being kind to the lurkers. You should try it sometime 'big guy'.

It's not 'obviously' aimed at lurkers trying to get the site taken down. Do you not think perhaps it's others that are? Those that had already investigated this site, perhaps those that had already been on it and disappeared? Once again, you are presuming.

I didn't imply anyone was against me. Just because you couldn't handle what I said, you thought the best thing would be to attack me? Is that really the way you deal with everything?

I wasn't rude in any which way. I was calm. I didn't call anyone names, like you did. I didn't tell anyone to calm down, like you did. So who has the real issue? Perhaps look at yourself before looking at others. Have you never heard of 'being kind' to others? I suppose not. Your comment says it all really.

Sometimes we have to look out for those that *are* being attacked, that can't defend themselves which is *all* I did, which evidently you cannot handle.

Have a lovely night, I hope your day improves 🙂
We may not be experts, but you know more about you than the psychiatrists do. They only learn shit by talking to you. They tend to act like they know you better than you do.

If you read through these threads, you will see countless people talking about how meds, therapists, psych wards, etc .. failed to help them. A lot of them have said they feel better without the meds(although they still suffer from the same issues), and this site helps them cope, as it does me.

We aren't pretending to be experts, and we never claimed to be.
I was referring to the people on this thread, not the entire website... Well done making assumptions there!

Not really sure what a psychiatrist has to do with what I said, but ok, you're going off track there.

I don't think you need to state the obvious, I didn't say psychiatrists know everything, I said you all (in the thread - pretty sure I didn't need to add that bit, given I was commenting on you know.. the thread) are claiming to be experts.

If you cannot understand what was meant, perhaps re read it. You have completely made up what I said! Completely misinterpreted and exaggerated absolutely everything I wrote.

Perhaps re read with a fresh pair of eyes in the morning, seems that you're offended when there's no need to be?
 
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