Method Carbon monoxide megathread

[sif]

Yes... nice link, another slightly vague description, but still interesting - it fits the overall impression.

Coals do work... as does wood, from which charcoal is made, or anthracite coal because it's basically compressed charcoal... Then there are the burning stuffs that have a lower content in C, like gas or gasoline...
A gasoline generator is basically easier to use, but as I said it smells terrible and raises a hellish noise...

As to the strange medical info about CO damage, the difference between what is generally known as typical brain damage out of other reasons like stroke or a badly aimed head shot (I had a relative who had a head injury from a car accident, a blunt trauma to the upper right skull which left the outer cerebral part of the brain asphyxiated for more than half an hour but NOT the inner parts > intensive care and all that - he spent 8 years in a coma before he died - they tried all sorts of things... no effect. He was "locked in," fully paralyzed, blind, unable to speak or move... there was a conscious rest of him trying to communicate but it couldn't be done... everything was used, logopedics and stuff, but the poor remnants of consciousness slowly died off in hopeless, utter loneliness, it was a very tragic and horrible thing, about the worst torture you could possibly imagine and I can't actually write about it without crying again, though this was 15 years ago now and I have learned never to think about it... so I'll stop here.
I just mean to say, I do know a few things about brain function and brain damage).

So, brain damage from CO will NOT cause such an effect, because CO kills all brain cells equally rather than a few on the cerebral cortex, which would be turning you into a vegetable, while the brain stem, thalamus/hippocampus etc. and cerebellum, stay functional - it damages them all equally and smoothly. A locked-in syndrome where consciousness remains but cannot act is extremely unlikely. If the neurons (as well as other body cells) don't actually DIE, but stay low-level active, alive, until air or oxygen is applied, the patients will likely have a good chance to more or less fully recover, though they will struggle with lots of what I would call reco-ordination symptoms. Or they all die entirely, which us morituri here would call success - banzai and all that ;)

Perhaps you could provide something more than anecdotal evidence for this claim? I'm very sorry for what you went through but it also seems like you're implying that we shouldn't worry about brain damage because it won't be "the bad kind" even if it happens.

The #fails reported here are all caused by under-dosage (not enough CO) or by air drift, as in tents or cars or leaky rooms. Make sure you have enough coals (abt .5 kgs or 1 lb per cubic meter minimum) and that the produced CO will remain undisturbed, as will you, for six hours.

As has been stated many times before. I really think this information should go in the OP as top tips and most common reasons for failure for people considering this methods.

 

[Arak]

Looking for a method, and trying to evaluate this one. I recall that not all information about CO poisoning is in this thread.

While some people have other options, it seems to me that I have basically two options:

- sulphuric acid plus formic acid. There are definitely some variables, like fumes (CO and other toxic ones). The right way to fill a small room. It's not the most common way to do it.
- charcoal method, possibly variations.

The 2nd method as described seems to be for small cars and tents. I intended to use a 'small' room, about 4.2 by 3.2 by 2.2 metres. I know I could set up a tent indoors, but do I drill holes in the floor (or whatever tents are available/advised) <sarcasm> ?
The first method raises questions about the specifics. It's nice to have PPM meter (Europe!) that can measure up to 10,000 PPM, but one member described a meter that turned warm/hot at such levels. It seems tricky to fill a room properly that way.

I don't like the principle of having to mimick what someone else has done, and hoping for a similar result.
And I'm not that familiar with setting BBQs, especially what is available these days. I can't use sedatives to knock me out.

These methods feel somewhat convoluted. I don't have a background in engineering, BBQing, suicide attempts, chemistry.
Any comments ?

 

[Shewaitsforme]

Unfortunatly @Arak thats what the majority are doing, following what someone else has done and hoping for a similar result, ive seen maybe 2 new methods on here since i joined. You use the world convoluted a fair few times when it comes to methods but apart from doing alittle research and following the steps i dont think there is much else that can be done to ensure the method is as effective as possible.

Some methods on here have been pulled apart to the death, every detailed agonised over and tried to be put back together, this method has been almost overcomplicated buying this and buying that when we know that CO has and will continue to work by following the simple steps.

The only contribution i have is my medical experience and intrest in researching things. I dont have any attempts to speak of either. I hope you eventually see a method your comfortable with

 

[Amber1974]

I have one of those little Weber grills that squats on the ground. Going to put in bathtub and seal up bathroom, tried this once before but didn't wait for coals to turn grey and stop smoking and couldn't handle the heat and smoke, Duh !!hopefully after coals are ashy the heat will not be intolerable in bathroom.....?.

 

[nohoper]

I have one of those little Weber grills that squats on the ground. Going to put in bathtub and seal up bathroom, tried this once before but didn't wait for coals to turn grey and stop smoking and couldn't handle the heat and smoke, Duh !!hopefully after coals are ashy the heat will not be intolerable in bathroom.....?.

Heat shouldn't be too bad in a larger area like a bathroom unless you have gone crazy with the amount of coals.

 

[Nik]

I have one of those little Weber grills that squats on the ground. Going to put in bathtub and seal up bathroom, tried this once before but didn't wait for coals to turn grey and stop smoking and couldn't handle the heat and smoke, Duh !!hopefully after coals are ashy the heat will not be intolerable in bathroom.....?.

Is your bathtub metal or plastic?

 

[jizz676]

making more pots with charcoal would be better? maybe more CO will be released or one is enough?

 

[nohoper]

making more pots with charcoal would be better? maybe more CO will be released or one is enough?

yes more pots equals more CO but it also equals more heat though which could be a issue depending where you plan to use them?.

 

[Amber1974]

Is your bathtub metal or plastic?

It's metal

 

[Amber1974]

yes more pots equals more CO but it also equals more heat though which could be a issue depending where you plan to use them?.

I would think one grill would be enough it's a small bathroom, I'm putting the grill in the tub, just hate sweating and don't want to die sweating, but gotta do what u gotta do

 

[BlackpillAsshat]

Plenty of tests been done regarding heat and how to avoid issues but you certainly do have to be careful,read the 8 chan thread and see how peoples tests went and what precautions they took, https://8ch.net/suicide/res/36746.html

https://www.stourbridgenews.co.uk/n...arbecue-in-car-in-belbroughton-inquest-hears/
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/he...le-barbeques-after-sons-accidental-death.html
https://www.bournemouthecho.co.uk/n...from-carbon-monoxide-poisoning-inquest-hears/

That's very interesting. It can't be as hard as people are trying to make it sound like here. It seems those disposable barbecues don't have even 1kg of charcoal and it's still enough to kill someone inside a car. And it doesn't seem the heat has made anything melt.

Sadly I can't get one of those without ordering them from another country, but then I can just buy a kilogram of charcoal briquettes, light them with cooking oil instead of alcohol to avoid smoke, place them inside an iron pot and on top of a brick. And there you go.

 

[nohoper]

That's very interesting. It can't be as hard as people are trying to make it sound like here. It seems those disposable barbecues don't have even 1kg of charcoal and it's still enough to kill someone inside a car. And it doesn't seem the heat has made anything melt.

Sadly I can't get one of those without ordering them from another country, but then I can just buy a kilogram of charcoal briquettes, light them with cooking oil instead of alcohol to avoid smoke, place them inside an iron pot and on top of a brick. And there you go.

Indeed,a disposable BBQ can have as little as 0.5kg of coals so 1KG is more than enough for a car.

 

[Arak]

Basic question: CO or inert gas (argon, nitrogen) ? Opinions about the methods, comparison ?

I have little experience with 'charcoal', don't have a small car and as for a small tent: I'd have to buy one and put one in my living room ! And specs ...

 

[ReadyasEver]

I have done a couple trial runs on CO in a vehicle and produced close to 10,000ppm for sustained period of time. ( 9500 and 9800 ). The method works but the devil is in the details. At those levels, you will not get a chance to get a headache or nausea. You will be out in 10-15 seconds, and gone in 5-10 minutes.

 

[406metallicblue]

My mistake was (i believe) letting the coals build up the CO levels too high before getting into the vehicle. Given the same variables i ought to have not closed the entry door and wandered about smoking for 10 minutes before getting in. What i ought to have done is left the door open during this period, taken a handful of diazepam, got in and closed the door. My experience was that the high levels of CO knocked me out immediately and i didn't close the door behind me. It might have been other issues, i don't think so. I hadn't taken enough other stuff to KO me that quickly.

So i'm inclined to agree with the above post.

 

[Janica333]

Is here anyone who

Looking for a method, and trying to evaluate this one. I recall that not all information about CO poisoning is in this thread.

While some people have other options, it seems to me that I have basically two options:

- sulphuric acid plus formic acid. There are definitely some variables, like fumes (CO and other toxic ones). The right way to fill a small room. It's not the most common way to do it.
- charcoal method, possibly variations.

The 2nd method as described seems to be for small cars and tents. I intended to use a 'small' room, about 4.2 by 3.2 by 2.2 metres. I know I could set up a tent indoors, but do I drill holes in the floor (or whatever tents are available/advised) <sarcasm> ?
The first method raises questions about the specifics. It's nice to have PPM meter (Europe!) that can measure up to 10,000 PPM, but one member described a meter that turned warm/hot at such levels. It seems tricky to fill a room properly that way.

I don't like the principle of having to mimick what someone else has done, and hoping for a similar result.
And I'm not that familiar with setting BBQs, especially what is available these days. I can't use sedatives to knock me out.

These methods feel somewhat convoluted. I don't have a background in engineering, BBQing, suicide attempts, chemistry.
Any comments ?

Combustion meters that can read 0-10000ppm CO has for safety metal extension part that is put where you want to get readings. When the levels get really high, over 14 000ppm (anyways above 10000ppm) it can heat up. But the area with that much CO is just little warm.
So I don't know how cheap meters manage if the levels are 15000 ppm 20000ppm etc. That was the point.


For example if you put your hand near the exhaust holes in generator it's not hot, just warm. There is 70000ppm CO in that air.

 

[Janica333]

Is there anyone here with terminal disease?

 

[Janica333]

Indeed,a disposable BBQ can have as little as 0.5kg of coals so 1KG is more than enough for a car.

It depends how long you can manage to be in that space. I tested with bag of coals and did as adviced here. After one hour I got 300-400ppm in small space. But I could not be in that space the time one has to be. The air was depressing (I hate the smell too). Generators etc. machines that work with benzine make lots of CO fast as most know here. When the level is under 3000ppm the air fine to breath. It smelled like gas station but not too much (I have liked that smell since I was a kid). Air is not fine with CO over 10000ppm but that takes just the time of two breaths to be in that

That is my experience.

 

[Shananaginns]

Cars do not release enough CO anymore to be effective. A filter or something has been added that I cannot remember the name of. If you know how to remove it I think it would still work but I'm unsure.

That's what I heard as well. Especially because my car is a hybrid. I also read an article about leaving car on in garage and it said that it many cases the family in the house almost or did die as well because the gas leaks into the house through the garage. I don't want to risk hurting anyone besides myself. In my early planning days years ago, that's how I wanted to end it. I wanted to get into the car after everyone went to bed but after reading some info I quickly learned that that was a bad idea both because of the way cars are made nowadays, and the risk of injuring my family. I then started thinking about the exit bag & helium but don't have the money to buy an adequate tank. I'm now starting to lean towards hanging. I'm tired of being in pain, so I'd like to find the easiest and painless way possible.

 

[nohoper]

It depends how long you can manage to be in that space. I tested with bag of coals and did as adviced here. After one hour I got 300-400ppm in small space. But I could not be in that space the time one has to be. The air was depressing (I hate the smell too). Generators etc. machines that work with benzine make lots of CO fast as most know here. When the level is under 3000ppm the air fine to breath. It smelled like gas station but not too much (I have liked that smell since I was a kid). Air is not fine with CO over 10000ppm but that takes just the time of two breaths to be in that

That is my experience.

If after 1 hour you only got 300-400ppm something went badly wrong.somewhere,You should be unconscious in minutes with levels 10 times that much and more.

 

[Robanon]

I have seen bits and pieces in this thread about formic acid plus sulphuric. Looking online it seems that both of these are really easy to get, and surely would be a better option than a bbq in a car. Am I missing something? What are the drawbacks of doing that. Strikes me that holding breath, mixing in a bucket and starting to breath after 30 secs would do it wouldn't it? Yet it seems to be seen as a fringe method compared to charcoal. Genuinely want to understand this better!

 

[Arak]

@Robanon ,

No offense but that approach seems so incredibly amateurish to me. Mix and breathe the fumes while you hold your head above a bucket ? What about toxic fumes (non CO) ? What if you pass out, fall on the ground and wake up (in whatever state) ?

Presumably sulphuric acid plus formic acid could work, but what about the actual procedure ? I think that's the key.

 

[Robanon]

@Robanon ,

No offense but that approach seems so incredibly amateurish to me. Mix and breathe the fumes while you hold your head above a bucket ? What about toxic fumes (non CO) ? What if you pass out, fall on the ground and wake up (in whatever state) ?

Presumably sulphuric acid plus formic acid could work, but what about the actual procedure ? I think that's the key.

Sure you're right. About it be

 

[Robanon]

Sure you're right. About it be

doh pushed send too early. Sure you are right that it is amateurish. The thread basically said the proportions of SA to F acid. I imagine if mixed in say a metal bucket in a car it would work. But I am no chemist and assumed that it would just produce Carbon Mon. It is probably more complex than that. I think the hibatchi thing sounds okay. Tho am leaning towards helium

 

[nohoper]

doh pushed send too early. Sure you are right that it is amateurish. The thread basically said the proportions of SA to F acid. I imagine if mixed in say a metal bucket in a car it would work. But I am no chemist and assumed that it would just produce Carbon Mon. It is probably more complex than that. I think the hibatchi thing sounds okay. Tho am leaning towards helium

People prefer using charcoal because its a very common method especially in asia is proven too work if done right and all the stuff you need is easy to obtain.Also its easy to get your head around how it works.
Mixing acids appears to work but requires some chemist skills which are beyond me and most people hence why this method is very rare.

 

[Roy King]

Hi,

I found this Clatronic EGA 3662 Electric Barbecue Lighter on Amazon that seems be pretty neat for indoor use, being Electrical will produce no smoke and after a while when the Charcoal gets lightened is just a matter of placing it in the room and close it. So my question, why so many steps on those guides out there when you can do it with just one appliance in a faster and better way?

Thanks in advance.

 

[nohoper]

Buy one and test it , it might work well? :),Their will still be some smoke and flames as your burning coles remember no matter how you start them off. it says minimum smoke so depends what they mean by minimum ...

 

[Trulysorry]

Has anyone here tried to ctb by charcoal but failed? If so, what do you think went wrong? And what were the side effects if any?

 

[Deivis]

Hi,

I found this Clatronic EGA 3662 Electric Barbecue Lighter on Amazon that seems be pretty neat for indoor use, being Electrical will produce no smoke and after a while when the Charcoal gets lightened is just a matter of placing it in the room and close it. So my question, why so many steps on those guides out there when you can do it with just one appliance in a faster and better way?

Thanks in advance.

Awesome device! Even if you're living in an apartment complex, you can always put some duct ontop and vent it out to the chimney .. Worth the money!

 

[guildford91rs]

Does anyone know whether smokeless fuel will work to produce carbon monoxide. Something like https://www.wickes.co.uk/Brazier-Smokeless-Fuel-Coal-Bag-10kg/p/143359.
I can't find any normal charcoal in my area, but the smokeless coal worries me as it says it produces less carbon dioxide. Does that also mean it would produce less carbon monoxide?