To begin with, from a Christian perspective, sewer slide is a sin as it is murdering oneself~ But even tho it may very well be the last thing a person does in their life, it is not described as an "unforgivable sin" that bars one from Heaven regardless of the possible impossibility of repenting of it~
From a Protestant perspective, one is saved by their faith in God, His sacrifice on the cross for our sins, and our doing our best to follow Him~ As such, we will trip, fall, and make mistakes (including perhaps, committing sewer slide)~ While we won't know who goes to Heaven for certain until we get there, people who commit sewer slide certainly aren't all doomed to Hell~ Those who have faith in God in spite of their struggles with sin will almost certainly go to Heaven as everyone struggles with it after all~ :)
I'm sure God understands that many times, it is the result of the despair, hopelessness, and pain one experiences in their life and things looking ever bleaker~ :)
I have nothing to back this up, but I plan on praying throughout the process of passing~ :)
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@Little_Suzy's explanation for Catholic beliefs on sewer slide the best personally~ "The Catechism states, "Grave psychological disturbances, anguish, or grave fear of hardship, suffering, or torture can diminish the responsibility of the one committing suicide." This qualification does not make suicide a right action in any circumstance; however, it does make us realize that the person may not be totally culpable for the action because of various circumstances or personal conditions.
We should not despair of the eternal salvation of persons who have taken their own lives. By ways known to him alone, God can provide the opportunity for salutary repentance. The Church prays for persons who have taken their own lives."
For the same reason as you, I keep leaving the Catholic Church - that I feel like a hypocrite because I don't follow all their rules. But I see it as a good thing, as a sign of self-respect that I don't accept their rules of condemnation because they are often hateful rules, like in the sermon I posted yesterday. And according to them, all my friends and family are poisoned with sin and are going to hell. In fact, there is no person on the planet who could abide by all their rules. So they are saying now the Catholic Church is open to all sinners. But I don't think it's a very warm welcome to be subjected to hateful sermons. I still do follow many of the teachings of the Catholic Church, but I don't consider myself a Catholic currently.
I would very much recommend reading Romans 3 or at least, Romans 3:19-28. Within Christianity, everyone has sinned and falls short of what God wants us to be: perfect. No one has been able to live fully up to God except Jesus Christ because He is God~ As such, we deserve destruction, for that is the punishment for sin. It may not feel very good, and it may even feel hateful~ The Christian God is not hateful tho~ In fact, God loved us so much that He sent his son, Jesus, to die on the cross for our sins, so that if we have faith in Him, we may get to be with Him in Heaven~ :) even when we are Christians, we are still sinners~ however, through the power of the Holy Spirit, God guides us to become better people and followers of Him~ we still will mess up and won't be perfecet, but we can repent and do our best not to sin, and God will accept us for what we are as long as we have faith in Him~ :)
very simply, the Gospel message is: sin->Jesus died for us->redemption. even tho being exposed to our own sins may be uncomfy, it is important to recognize how we may do better~ :)
In regards to that sermon you brought up, admittedly, I didn't read it, however, there are entire books of the Bible dedicated to sorrow such as Lamentations and Job, so even tho joy may be a fruit, one may also go through times of sorrow as many people do here too~ :)
I'm confused. I thought you were saying in this thread that you don't go out anymore and that you don't enjoy mass because of the guilt you feel when you go. Sorry I misunderstood. Someone here in Spain recommended to me a while ago that if I want to talk about something uncomfortable, to go to another parish. Perhaps you could consider that, in discussing your suicidal thoughts?
You're quite right that I don't have to believe in everything blindly. There is so much about Catholicism that I love, and the hate speeches only belong to some of them. So the same way I'm complaining that some of the priests are hateful and prejudiced, it is just as wrong for me to be prejudiced against all priests based on some hateful priests.
I'm so lost here in Spain in the mass because my Spanish is very basic, so I don't understand what they're saying and so I can't connect deeply. And of course I can't talk to a priest because we can't understand each other. I have talked to them, but we can only do basic conversations. This pickle that I'm in needs deep discussion. So last night I contacted the order of priests I was in contact with in Canada for 25 years, up until a few years ago. I've asked to set up a few sessions of counselling. Hopefully they say yes!
hehe~ I hope you're able to talk to them and learn lots from them there! ^_^ you can always ask me or someone else who is Catholic here if you have questions too! :)
What was the conversion process like? I was baptized as a baby but never went through first communion so when I attend church I don't take the Eucharist and I fee at some point I should either commit or move on. I think I would have to go through the RCIA program.
while I would recommend continuing to learn more about the Catholic faith and deepening it (this does not necessarily have to be before you first commune tho), according to Catholic Answers, no, you do not need to go to RCIA to receive first communion given that you were already baptized Catholic. :)
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