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JesiBel

JesiBel

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Dec 5, 2024
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I'm adding the last bit of information to complete my previous post (and I think that's all)

(Note: sleeping is not losing consciousness. They are completely opposite processes of the organism)

Normal human consciousness is defined as the presence of a wakeful arousal state and the awareness and motivation to respond to self and/or environmental events. In the intact brain, arousal is the overall level of responsiveness to environmental stimuli. Arousal has a physiological range from stage 3 non-REM sleep, where strong stimuli are required to elicit a response, to states of high vigilance, where subtle stimuli can be detected and acted upon. While arousal is the global state of responsiveness, awareness is the brain's ability to perceive specific environmental stimuli in different domains, including visual, somatosensory, auditory, and interoceptive (e.g. visceral and body position).

Normal conscious state includes volition, processing of sensory information, and a generalized level of arousal.

Sleep: A natural state of reduced consciousness that occurs in stages and cycles, which helps the body rest, repair, and restore itself.

Levels of consciousness range from normal alertness and sleep to altered states of consciousness, such as lethargy, delirium, stupor, and coma.

Unconsciousness: the person will be unresponsive (does not respond to activity, touch, sound, or other stimulation).

Being asleep is not the same as being unconscious. A sleeping person will respond to loud noises or gentle shaking. An unconscious person will not.

(Note: during unconsciousness the person loses the ability to be in a state of alertness and vigilance -arousal- and the ability to be aware of oneself and the environment and the ability to respond to external stimuli)

(Note: so, you must have a degree of consciousness to experience any kind of dream, hallucination, mental image, illusion)

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I provided bibliography
You could be transparent and provide direct links where the full texts can be read. You didn't answer my questions. You want to debate, but you just copy and paste a useless piece of information. It's not worth wasting my time with you.

How do you explain people who are clinically dead, no brain activity whatsoever, being able to explicitly describe medical procedures, conversations, etc.? And I'm not talking about someone who was dead for just a minute or two. There are well documented studies of this, which, the idea that they are just hallucinations or natural release of chemicals (such as the pineal gland) is inadequate.
Brain death is different from a vegetative state

Brain death (also known as brain stem death) is when a person on an artificial life support machine no longer has any brain functions. This means they will not regain consciousness or be able to breathe without support.
A person who is brain dead is legally confirmed as dead. They have no chance of recovery because their body is unable to survive without artificial life support.

The difference between brain death and a vegetative state (a disorder of consciousness), which can happen after extensive brain damage, is that it's possible to recover from a vegetative state, but brain death is permanent.

Someone in a vegetative state still has a functioning brain stem, which means:

• some form of consciousness may exist
• breathing unaided is usually possible
• there's a slim chance of recovery because the brain stem's core functions may be unaffected

Someone in a vegetative state is awake but shows no signs of awareness. For example, they may open their eyes but not respond to their surroundings.
In rare cases, a person in a vegetative state may show some sense of response that can be detected using a brain scan, but not be able to interact with their surroundings.

(Note: And about dreams.. I am not interested in going into further detail about them since they have nothing to do with the hanging method. Sorry..)
 
CandyK__

CandyK__

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Mar 13, 2023
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(...) copy and paste a useless piece of information (...)
Said one who brings pop-articles to a peer-review data debate.
 
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Gustav Hartmann

Gustav Hartmann

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There are analogies between non-lethal hanging and dreaming. The deep sleep phases, when we not dream, are followed by rapid eye movement phases when we dream. Assuming during deep sleep we have only a low level consciousness than dreaming is what we experience when our consciousness is put together again after a deep sleep phase.
The same happens when we were hanged and let down after passing out: Our consciousness has to be reassembled or rebooted and during this phase we experience very intense dreams, more realistic than normal dreams, also called NDE. Inuit and other pagans used non lethal hanging to get in altered states of consciousness by using this effect.
 
JesiBel

JesiBel

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Dec 5, 2024
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Exactly. You must have a degree of consciousness to experience any kind of: dream, hallucination, mental image, illusion. Because is the fundamental state in which all experiences appear.

• Sleeping: is a natural state of reduced consciousness (reduced NOT lost)
• Losing consciousness (due to trauma): is the organism's survival mechanism in the face of imminent injury/trauma (brain anoxia for example). To ensure self preservation (and it is a medical emergency).

During unconsciousness the person is not arousable, and is not aware of oneself and the environment, and will not respond to external/internal stimuli or have any control of themselves.

When a person is sleeping will respond to external/internal stimuli and wake up. An unconscious person will not.
When you sleep your arousal and awareness are diminished (but NOT lost). Remember: it is a state of REDUCED consciousness

• External stimuli: stimulus that comes from outside the own organism and causes a reaction (example: touch, light, temperature, noise..)
• Internal stimuli: stimulus that comes from inside the own organism and causes a reaction (example: pain, emotions, sleepiness, thoughts, hunger..)
 
IRHEXED

IRHEXED

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Oct 3, 2025
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In 2016 I hanged myself via partial suspension. I was found by a family member after making quite a lot of noise from going unconscious.
I can't for sure say I dreamed anything... What I can describe was an intense feeling of warm and fuzzy before passing out which seemed to last a while. I remember everything echoing, the tv in the background sounding all robotic like the sound waves were being chopped and slowed down. Almost like being in a K hole. I didn't feel any fear, it felt almost peaceful. Then i awoke to being shaken and punched and a lot of shouting...
 

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