Discussion Do you think the world will be a better place without you ? #46

[Trav1989]

The world would be very, very, very, very, very slightly worse off by a small percentage but I can live/die with that.

 

[Chaosire]

The world would definitely be better off without me.

I'm suffering from psychosis, amongst other things, and can get quite dangerous depending on the delusion. I'm on a lot of meds for it, but still have regular symptoms.

I'm disabled and a NEET, due to my mental health. I'm glad to live in a country that takes care of their weak, but I'm not deserving of the government handouts. I don't like society, but that money would be better spent to benefit the people that actually need it and want to live.
Not someone like me, who just leaches of the system whilst also making the world a worse place for the innocent people around me.

 

[DeadNotSleeping]

The world doesn't give a shit whether I live or die.

 

[WholeHereafter]

Yes. I won't cause anymore emotional harm and I won't be a drain and burden on society or people because of my physical and mental health issues, which render me utterly useless at best and noxious at worst.

 

[EgoBrained]

The world would be ever so slightly relieved by my absence.

 

[Just_Another_Person]

Neither yes neither no, it isn't like a make a difference in the world lol

 

[vampire2002]

as someone conceived through sexual assault, if the world was a better place i would never have existed to begin with. so yes.

 

[whatcouldofbeen]

i honestly dont know... i think the whole relativism thing just blurs the answer

i think i had alot of potential in terms of creating useful stuff. it was my dream to become a mechanical engineer and patent autisitc geometric shapes that would have industrial applications which would either prop up the capitialistc system or save lives via uplifting of poverty. but before i planned to do all that i wanted to make some insane skateboard wheel formulas and build skateparks. its nothing close to curing cancer but i guess it wouldve been convenient for hobbyists and such.

if i left now i think the world in a very simplifed sense would be worse not in a self serving manner but i just think generally that being raised through childhood is resource-negative and ctb before fufilling your potential is a shame/waste but thats very surface level capitalistic thinking i guess.

on a more human level i dont know if i had a net negative/positve influence on those around me. but truly i dont know what paths people wouldve gone down without me. frankly i think my lifes normal proposed trajectory of being a nerdy asian under-achieving stem kid with no inner monologue was blown way off course because of covid. im sure as is the case with many people that covid either stifled them or was like hitting a shuffle button on their soul.

a good example of influence is this proposed scenario, suppose teenage rebellion is considered healthy to live through as a phase when your younger and it is accepted that later expression of teen rebellion in your later 20s and such is considered a greater "sin" / negative. would my influence on my friends to have so much fun together with the side effect of degeneracy and quasi-criminality be a bad thing? its essentially a convulted trolley problem, because if lets say i never existed and they stayed "nerds" and goody-2-shoes theres a chance that they would act out their teenage rebellion / quarterlife crisis in far more destructive manners since they are adults with money/power. but even then whats to say that they never would have? maybe they wouldve just had the same sidepart haircut and wear the same pastel colour collared shirts forever and be in the eyes of indiviualistic american culture "lame" having "never lived life" in that case if no one around them suffered as a result of their experimention and lashing out would the sin/negative be the consequence of them being deprived of their potential happiness?

then throw in the cliche factor of "if you dont sell crack someone else will" no one can really give a straight answer but i guess this place is not for percise answers jsut more emotional venting. i dont mean to come off as a smart ass and ruin the vibe but i guess thats just how i process things. all ive done in these past months is lay in bed and think and cry and have pangs of emotion.

i guess the human mind cannot comprehend infinity so when thinking about parallel universes you subconciously think about a finite number of parallel universes. well in that case my current life trajectory fell way way off the bell curve. perhaps if collective conciousness has a ring of truth to it. suicidial ideation may be caused by a collective balancing urge to restore trajectories and fate to orderly bell curve distribution

 

[Agon321]

In the grand scheme of things, I am too insignificant for my death to change anything.
The world will be neither worse nor better.

However, we can philosophize a bit and say that my death will affect my family, so my death will be negative for their world and their lives.
It all depends on the point of view.

 

[foreverlanguish]

It would be a better place without me, although that wouldn't change much for the world at large. The world will still be turning. For my family though, I feel like they'll be much better off. I won't be around to cause them pain anymore.

 

[Valhala]

No one is so important that the world would be a better or worse place without them. The world is simply the way it is with you or without you, it doesn't matter.

 

[iloveduster]

I sort of believe that the world would be a better place without me because I just bring misfortune everywhere and I kinda feel like if I for example eat, I'm just wasting resources and stuff like that. Even when people talk to me I feel like I'm wasting their time because I don't even have good qualities about me as a person. I'm just stupid, awkward and go non verbal. Or when I go to the dentist or any other doctor for that matter it feels like I'm making them to their job when they could've helped another person or just rested. I don't know I just feel like a peace of shit on this earth.

 

[Tombs_in_your_eyes]

I don't think my death would make a jot of difference, actually. My last living family member would grieve (not for long as they are quite elderly and unwell) and everyone else would move on. It would be like I never existed.

 

[failureofahuman]

YES. My biggest reason for going. I'm actually a piece of shit, like I like myself for some things but it's like saying Hitler should live because he's charismatic. I'm overall just morally repugnant. I can't live with the self-hatred and how much other people hate me, I'll always have to lie or omit things about me to be loved… my true self, my real nature is unlovable. I'm selfish and cruel and the world would absolutely be better off without me. Honestly I'm sorry to everyone that I haven't killed myself yet.

 

[MeltingBrain]

I sort of believe that the world would be a better place without me because I just bring misfortune everywhere and I kinda feel like if I for example eat, I'm just wasting resources and stuff like that. Even when people talk to me I feel like I'm wasting their time because I don't even have good qualities about me as a person. I'm just stupid, awkward and go non verbal. Or when I go to the dentist or any other doctor for that matter it feels like I'm making them to their job when they could've helped another person or just rested. I don't know I just feel like a peace of shit on this earth.

I am sorry that you feel that way. It's very unhealthy to think you are not worth peoples attention or resources but I too feel like that nowadays. Being NEET is the major cause of it in my case.

YES. My biggest reason for going. I'm actually a piece of shit, like I like myself for some things but it's like saying Hitler should live because he's charismatic. I'm overall just morally repugnant. I can't live with the self-hatred and how much other people hate me,

What have you done to call yourself morally repugnant ?

i honestly dont know... i think the whole relativism thing just blurs the answer

i think i had alot of potential in terms of creating useful stuff. it was my dream to become a mechanical engineer and patent autisitc geometric shapes that would have industrial applications which would either prop up the capitialistc system or save lives via uplifting of poverty. but before i planned to do all that i wanted to make some insane skateboard wheel formulas and build skateparks. its nothing close to curing cancer but i guess it wouldve been convenient for hobbyists and such.

if i left now i think the world in a very simplifed sense would be worse not in a self serving manner but i just think generally that being raised through childhood is resource-negative and ctb before fufilling your potential is a shame/waste but thats very surface level capitalistic thinking i guess.

on a more human level i dont know if i had a net negative/positve influence on those around me. but truly i dont know what paths people wouldve gone down without me. frankly i think my lifes normal proposed trajectory of being a nerdy asian under-achieving stem kid with no inner monologue was blown way off course because of covid. im sure as is the case with many people that covid either stifled them or was like hitting a shuffle button on their soul.

a good example of influence is this proposed scenario, suppose teenage rebellion is considered healthy to live through as a phase when your younger and it is accepted that later expression of teen rebellion in your later 20s and such is considered a greater "sin" / negative. would my influence on my friends to have so much fun together with the side effect of degeneracy and quasi-criminality be a bad thing? its essentially a convulted trolley problem, because if lets say i never existed and they stayed "nerds" and goody-2-shoes theres a chance that they would act out their teenage rebellion / quarterlife crisis in far more destructive manners since they are adults with money/power. but even then whats to say that they never would have? maybe they wouldve just had the same sidepart haircut and wear the same pastel colour collared shirts forever and be in the eyes of indiviualistic american culture "lame" having "never lived life" in that case if no one around them suffered as a result of their experimention and lashing out would the sin/negative be the consequence of them being deprived of their potential happiness?

then throw in the cliche factor of "if you dont sell crack someone else will" no one can really give a straight answer but i guess this place is not for percise answers jsut more emotional venting. i dont mean to come off as a smart ass and ruin the vibe but i guess thats just how i process things. all ive done in these past months is lay in bed and think and cry and have pangs of emotion.

i guess the human mind cannot comprehend infinity so when thinking about parallel universes you subconciously think about a finite number of parallel universes. well in that case my current life trajectory fell way way off the bell curve. perhaps if collective conciousness has a ring of truth to it. suicidial ideation may be caused by a collective balancing urge to restore trajectories and fate to orderly bell curve distribution

I don't know what you mean by "autistic geometric shapes" but a few skateboard parks in the USA would be of great help because of obesity epidemic :)

On the question of the trolley problem, I would add it's a modified trolley problem in the case you have mentioned. The trolley man is combination of the people around him (including you) and your friend himself . He is the trolley man (partly) and on the tracks at the same time, because our destiny is partly in our own hands . One could argue that the strongest pull on the lever is that of the individual himself .

The rest of what you have written is deep, interesting and I agree with it.