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I found the same article and was wondering about the following passage: "While there was no evidence that the decedents experienced any pain, it was disturbing to witness preterminal gasping in both cases. In adults, gasping is witnessed in 30% to 40% of cardiac arrests" (p. 160).
The researcher was simply disturbed. The person looks like they are on their way out, then all of a sudden the body seems to be gasping for air. I'm sure it's strange to watch, especially if you haven't seen it before.
The PPeH says that the bag should make a snug, but not tight fit around the neck:
If a small hose is connected to the bag... Shouldnt the co2 be pushed out there? I dont get how it leaves if its snug fit
but i havr no experience with the flow rate... 
I don't understand the idea. If gas flow is present, then the exit bag has to be open or semi-open. If there is no gas flow, then the exit bag has to be completely sealed.
I haven't seen any evidences that people who passed out from hypoxemia can wake up due to accumulated carbon dioxide, except maybe when fainting is caused by a synergetic effect of hypocapnia (induced by hyperventilation) and hypoxemia (induced by low O2 in the lungs), so a sealed exit bag of a sufficiently large size should be a viable option.
I think, the effect of CO2 is commonly overrated. I didn't notice any symptoms of hypercapnia within a minute at all even with a small bag. One minute should be sufficient for losing consciousness, so what's the point to care about CO2 then? The main reason of using a large bag is prevention of getting a high concentration of O2 in it after some amount of air enters the bag from the ambient atmosphere and from the lungs. Bigger space for CO2 is just a small bonus that doesn't play a big role. Besides, if you want to defer hypercapnia effects even more, you can just hyperventilate before putting the bag over the head, so you'll have 2+ minutes with nearly zero urge to breathe with fresh air.
You should consider holding breath during the period between putting the bag over the head and sealing it completely, otherwise you can pass out before sealing is done. One minute should be more than enough for sealing the bag. Hyperventilation can help at long breath-holding.
The bag will be filled with nitrogen/argon/helium before you pull it down over your head. When you pull it down, you will start to exhale CO2. The heavier CO2 will be purged down to the bottom of the bag by the lighter nitrogen, and out the small gap in the bottom(there'll be a tube going into the bag). You will be unconscious in 30-60 seconds. Any CO2 that hasn't been purged out the bottom won't be enough to cause hypercapnia (excessive CO2 in the lungs). You will be inhaling the inert gas.IfIf a small hose is connected to the bag... Shouldnt the co2 be pushed out there? I dont get how it leaves if its snug fit
I don't get why you would use a big sack instead of a smaller bag. The smaller the enclosed area, the easier it is to fill with the inert gas.
From what I saw going back over the thread, people used to recommend the Draeger EEBD hood, but then some people said there was no exhalation valve on the Draeger hood they got. I'm not sure what type of Draeger hood it was, have a look over the older posts.
If you go for the EEBD hood, just get one without an air cylinder attached, which they are sometimes sold with. (Some people here before have gotten them fairly cheap on Chinese shopping sites, one beginning with A in particular). Then all you need to do is cut the metal connection off the end of the EEBD hood hose, slot it through one or two hose clamps, then attach it to a gas regulator flowmeter, that has litre per minute readings. That regulator will be attached to the cylinder.
THANK YOU very very much @Tears in Rain for this information, it is very helpful. I am slightly technophobic so stressed about the installment . I have another question if that's okay: in Israel they don't measure tanks by cu ft, (from my understanding, the cylinder needs to be 40 cu ft to make sure), but, by liters. In google they say 40 cubic feet = 1132 liters or something, but in Israel the cylinder comes 40-50 liters.... does that even make sense?
It's recommended you get at least a 5 litre cylinder, which are usually sold at 200 bar for nitrogen, which gives roughly 1000 litres of compressed gas. If you're in a region that advertises them in cubic feet, get a 40cu/ft one.(gives roughly 1100 litres of nitrogen).
in Israel the cylinder comes in 40-50 liters - do you know how much that is in cu ft ??
Thanks for the reply... I checked the old posts but its so much.... Scba positive pressure, scuba negative, which is not good..eebd mask even more complicsted and the eebd hood... Looks like an expensive professional exit bag.... My issue, i cant find the hoods with an already attached hose in my area...and also without the o2 cylinders... And then its too pricey for the benefit it gives... Which currently i can think of is no exit bag preparation and exhalation through valve bit even that seems to be not reliant...
So there's a seller with 6l cylinder for 700 rupees (which is less that 1 dollar) will that be enough? The other sellers are only selling 7 cubic meter and i think it's very huge
No problem.
The tubing goes on the outside of the regulator connection, on a thing called a hose barb that usually comes with the regulator. Here's a photo of @FailerQt.'s tube on the regulator hose barb, from the previous page on this thread.
You can get relatively expensive hoods, with only the hose attached, on a certain U.S. auction/ bidding website. But some posters here have bought them far cheaper on Chinese shopping sites ( like I said previously, one beginning with A seemed popular). And the Chinese ones come with an exhalation valve.
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You need to get a regulator with a flowmeter, the flow meter will have litres per minute readings on it. ( Or look for a click-style nitrogen regulator).
I can't tell how many litres of compressed gas it has without knowing what bar pressure the cylinder is. (You multiply the cylinder water volume by the bar to get the rough compressed gas amount).
Yes less than a dollar that's why I'm worried and to that he didn't mention bar pressureYou can get relatively expensive hoods, with only the hose attached, on a certain U.S. auction/ bidding website. But some posters here have bought them far cheaper on Chinese shopping sites ( like I said previously, one beginning with A seemed popular). And the Chinese ones come with an exhalation valve. See @Vizzy's thread about his Eebd hood
Eebd hood source for nitrogen gas method (Inert gas method)
Guys anyone looking for a eebd hood to buy for their nitrogen gas method (inert gas method), let me know I can help you to buy it for cheap as it is expensive to buy and many sellers won’t sell to the individuals buyers It doesn’t matter anywhere in the world and if you need only one piece, my...
You need to get a regulator with a flowmeter, the flow meter will have litres per minute readings on it. ( Or look for a click-style nitrogen regulator).
You don't need to get a regulator with a hose; either get the EEBD hood with the hose already attached, or if you go with the exit bag, use oxygen tubing.
Sorry, but without the bar pressure, I can't work it out. I thought first, given that it's so cheap, that they may be selling a cylinder without the gas in it, as some sellers do(leaving the buyer to refill it themselves). But they are advertising the purity, so there must be gas in it.
The EEBD masks you talk about are presumably SCBA(self contained breathing apparatus) masks. They have a different type of regulator and hose needed.
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I recently haggled and was able to buy a new Drager Saver SF on the secondary market for about 20 euros. I had a hard time putting it on and had a hard time taking it off. It fits very snugly on my head, I wasn't expecting that. There is no connector on the end of the hose, I think only the Drager PSS hood has one. I don't have a caliper, I measured with a regular ruler and I got that the inside diameter of the hose is about 7 millimeters, it's probably 1/4 inch. I have attached a couple of pictures for those who might be interested in looking at it
Yes, some people before found them a bit tight to put on, but if it's snug when you have it on, then that's good.
Thank you again @Tears in Rain . I appreciate your help very much. I will buy the 10 liter cylinder then : ) Thank you!
No problem asking the questions.
You can tie your hands for reassurance, I would do that, although I don't know how necessary it might be.
